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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Adams had all the character of a.... toolbox.

[Grieving Natashina]

I honestly can't quite put my finger on what it is I just don't like about Adams. Maybe it's the voice, or his groggy freakin' eyes. I now head canon that post-Destroy, Shepard will walk down to engineering and ask Adams if the Normandy is still EDI. 

Oh ouch.  It's funny and cruel.  

 

I didn't think he was that bad.  He doesn't have a ton of screentime in either ME1 or ME3, and I liked him well enough.  As far as NPCs go, I didn't think he was too bad.  Don't get me started on Allers though.  I could have replaced her with a camera and cardboard box.    

 

When it comes to Ashley, the most I think would happen will be having a member of the Williams clan show up at some point in ME:A.  She did have sisters, so it's not unlikely.  Still, I don't think that would happen.  

[Lady Artifice]

That poem worked perfectly for the flow of most of my play throughs. I like Ashley, but I like Kaidan more. So, while I would have saved both of them if that option had been in the game, I was okay with how the story developed, and how much more significance that scene took on after her sacrifice. 

[KaiserShep]

Oh ouch.  It's funny and cruel.  

 

I didn't think he was that bad.  He doesn't have a ton of screentime in either ME1 or ME3, and I liked him well enough.  As far as NPCs go, I didn't think he wasn't too bad.  Don't get me started on Allers though...   

In ME1, Adams was basically our walking brochure for the Normandy's stealth system, much like Tali was basically a stack of quarian trivia cards. 

 

But I always feel like Adams is sort of subtly hinting at Synthesis. He'd probably leap into the beam. That's it. I think I've cracked it. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

You should try replaying ME1 and take every chance to talk to her before Virimire.  She also only mentions her religion in one pretty brief conversation.  That never bothered me, since she wasn't trying to convert Shep if s/he disagreed.  She stated her spiritual views, which as a person and as Shepard I could respect, and that was it.  Heck, Sebastian in DA2 was much more persistent about talking about the Maker or the Chantry.  Anyways, the conversation about Ash's sisters was longer and it, to me, showed a more sensitive side.  She put on a good front of being a cold and heartless Marine, and I could easily see past it. 

 

 

I think it's easier to accept fictional religions because those are just flavour and don't really have much of an impact than to deal with fictional characters following a real religion. That probably hits closer to home.

 

None of her comments throughout the game endeared her to me and the conversations showed a character I just didn't get along with. To me she feels like someone had a checklist of elements that the demographic liked in a woman and then ticked off the boxes.

 

The poetry came out of nowhere and it's usually not something I enjoy (found one exception a little while ago), but even if I did, to me it always felt like the writers were afraid that a professional soldier wouldn't be attractive to male gamers unless she also had a softer side.

 

The religion, meh. I think Shepard was the jerk in that conversation and I indirectly blame Ashley for making me say those things.

 

What I found a little concerning was Ash's tale of her little sister Sarah who beat up a guy who dared to touch her. Because it's totally okay if a trained martial artist throws someone who clearly wasn't a threat on the ground. It's not like she had other options or anything. But in the game the situation is made awesome. Kinda fucked up. Quote: "She kept her cool -- God bless her -- as he screamed in her face. She just let him vent. Then he tried to punch her. I swear, she just flowed around him. Next thing I know, he's face-down on the sidewalk, and there's blood everywhere." And then she told the paramedics that he fell...

 

Meh. Just didn't get along with her. Male/female, paragon/renegade... didn't matter. Not that I'm a fan of Kaidan but at least he didn't annoy me.

[KaiserShep]

I dunno. If my sister knew martial arts and some guy tried to get with the wandering hands and she broke his arm, I'd give her a high five, 'cause f*** that guy.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I dunno. If my sister knew martial arts and some guy tried to get with the wandering hands and she broke his arm, I'd give her a high five, 'cause f*** that guy.

 

The first time, in the woods? That was self defense.

 

Then she told the story in school and when the upset boy confronts her about it later, she doesn't diffuse the situation and beats him bloody to a point where he needed to be taken to a hospital, despite having several better options available to her.

[KaiserShep]

He apparently didn't learn his lesson the first time. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

He apparently didn't learn his lesson the first time. 

 

Oh, he clearly didn't. He was the aggressor, he is at fault. That's not the point though. She kept her cool and waited until the situation devolved into violence, then went for maximum damage. Throwing someone on the sidewalk is a lethal move, it's enough force to break bones (like the spine or skull), especially if they don't know how to fall correctly.

[Grieving Natashina]

The religion, meh. I think Shepard was the jerk in that conversation and I indirectly blame Ashley for making me say those things.

Forgive the snip.  I can see where you're coming from with the rest of your post.  On this part though, I'm confused.  During that conversation, my Shepards have picked, "It's not a problem (Paragon response.)"  S/he says that there isn't anything in Alliance regs that suggest it's an issue, and that s/he's fine with it.  What option did you pick?  My Shepard was respectful to Ashley.

[In Exile]

Forgive the snip.  I can see where you're coming from with the rest of your post.  On this part though, I'm confused.  During that conversation, my Shepards have picked, "It's not a problem (Paragon response.)"  S/he says that there isn't anything in Alliance regs that suggest it's an issue, and that s/he's fine with it.  What option did you pick?  My Shepard was respectful to Ashley.

Yeah, that line is something like "Everybody is free to believe what they want. It says so right in the Alliance Charter, only with nicer words."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That poem worked perfectly for the flow of most of my play throughs. I like Ashley, but I like Kaidan more. So, while I would have saved both of them if that option had been in the game, I was okay with how the story developed, and how much more significance that scene took on after her sacrifice. 

The Virmire decision was stupid. There were several ways you could have saved both, but you don't get to because drama. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah, that line is something like "Everybody is free to believe what they want. It says so right in the Alliance Charter, only with nicer words."

That sounds about right.  As an agnostic, I thought that was a perfect response.  

[In Exile]

What I found a little concerning was Ash's tale of her little sister Sarah who beat up a guy who dared to touch her. Because it's totally okay if a trained martial artist throws someone who clearly wasn't a threat on the ground. It's not like she had other options or anything. But in the game the situation is made awesome. Kinda fucked up. Quote: "She kept her cool -- God bless her -- as he screamed in her face. She just let him vent. Then he tried to punch her. I swear, she just flowed around him. Next thing I know, he's face-down on the sidewalk, and there's blood everywhere." And then she told the paramedics that he fell...

The guy tried to rape her. After that, he tried to assault her, so she decked him. And - unlike fiction, where dropping someone like a sack of flour to the floor doesn't leave a bruise - ME1 played the consequences of throwing someone like that straight.

 

Plus, Sarah was (actually) doing him a favour by saying that he fell. Because "After my boyfriend tried to rape me, he verberally assaulted me at school, and when I wasn't intimidated, he tried to hit me. I threw him down, forcefully." Saving him from multiple assault and sexual assault charges is pretty favourable. 

 

Edit:

Although the real issue with the story is that it reads a bit like an outright threat in a romance, and that's nowhere near good. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't know... I liked Ashley, but I also like Kaidan. When my Shepard had the hots for Kaidan...

 

Sorry Ash....

 

When she had the hots for Liara...

 

Kaidan: You know it's the right choice, Commander.

 

Wrex on the other hand....

[DaemionMoadrin]

Forgive the snip.  I can see where you're coming from with the rest of your post.  On this part though, I'm confused.  During that conversation, my Shepards have picked, "It's not a problem (Paragon response.)"  S/he says that there isn't anything in Alliance regs that suggest it's an issue, and that s/he's fine with it.  What option did you pick?  My Shepard was respectful to Ashley.

 

Well, if I was in that situation, I wouldn't even have made a comment about Ash's beliefs because those aren't my business. You have to deal with it though because otherwise the conversation goes nowhere. The Renegade response is way too harsh though and I don't think I remember the neutral one.

[In Exile]

Well, if I was in that situation, I wouldn't even have made a comment about Ash's beliefs because those aren't my business. You have to deal with it though because otherwise the conversation goes nowhere. The Renegade response is way too harsh though and I don't think I remember the neutral one.

 

You can't avoid commenting on it. She asked you outright. I suppose you could try and say "I won't say anything about this [turtle mode!]"  but I doubt Ashley is the type to take that for an answer. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, if I was in that situation, I wouldn't even have made a comment about Ash's beliefs because those aren't my business. You have to deal with it though because otherwise the conversation goes nowhere. The Renegade response is way too harsh though and I don't think I remember the neutral one.

I think that you forgot that Ashley asked Shepard her beliefs were going to be a problem, and I think it would have been pretty rude to just ignore her, or leave it as "No comment."  There isn't a neutral option, but there is an option where you can tell her that you feel the same way.

 

Edit: Ninja'd by Exile.  

[DaemionMoadrin]

You can't avoid commenting on it. She asked you outright. I suppose you could try and say "I won't say anything about this [turtle mode!]"  but I doubt Ashley is the type to take that for an answer. 

I think that you forgot that Ashley asked Shepard her beliefs were going to be a problem, and I think it would have been pretty rude to just ignore her, or leave it as "No comment."  There isn't a neutral option, but there is an option where you can tell her that you feel the same way.

 

Yes, thanks for reminding me. That's my issue. Why ask me that? If they were an issue, then as her friend and commanding officer I would tell her. Don't put me on the spot so suddendly.

[Lady Artifice]

The Virmire decision was stupid. There were several ways you could have saved both, but you don't get to because drama. 

 

Agreed. I'm not the biggest fan of the mutually exclusive character thing in general, but Virmire was ridiculous. 

[In Exile]

Yes, thanks for reminding me. That's my issue. Why ask me that? If they were an issue, then as her friend and commanding officer I would tell her. Don't put me on the spot so suddendly.

 

If someone's been hard done by because of an issue - like faith - and is generally a confrontational person (or a super confrontational person, in Ashley's case), then saying "I'm [X], do you have a problem with that?" is just her way of dealing with it. 

 

Agreed. I'm not the biggest fan of mutually exclusive character thing in general, but Virmire was ridiculous. 

 

It's doubly stupid because somehow a bunch of Salarian NPCs live anyway, but Ashley (as with the other faceless mooks) dies because [reasons, drama]. It's a bit contrived.

[Grieving Natashina]

Yes, thanks for reminding me. That's my issue. Why ask me that? If they were an issue, then as her friend and commanding officer I would tell her. Don't put me on the spot so suddendly.

I chalk it up to nerves, and I don't think anyone should hide their religious beliefs, so long as they refrain from really pushing it on others. <looking at you, Sebastian> She mentions that a lot of people find her weird for being Christian, and I think she was looking for some reassurance.  Despite her rank, I always pictured her as about 23 pr 24.  Old enough to be in command of a small squad (like on Eden Prime,) but young enough to have some illogical hangups.  I personally didn't mind at all, but hey, to each their own.   As I mentioned, I like Kaidan and Ashley equally, and most of my choice boils down to their usefulness in ME3 in relation to my class.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Agreed. I'm not the biggest fan of the mutually exclusive character thing in general, but Virmire was ridiculous. 

Yeah. I've never been a fan of the "You must choose only one of these two" when there are options to choose both. 

 

It's doubly stupid because somehow a bunch of Salarian NPCs live anyway, but Ashley (as with the other faceless mooks) dies because [reasons, drama]. It's a bit contrived.

Exacty. Kirrahe and his fellow STG soldiers are standing right next to whomever goes to the turret, and yet they escape but the person standing next to them doesn't if you go back to the bomb. 

[AresKeith]

Agreed. I'm not the biggest fan of the mutually exclusive character thing in general, but Virmire was ridiculous. 

 

It was one of those situations where all of your non-chosen companions could've easily done something

[DaemionMoadrin]

The guy tried to rape her. After that, he tried to assault her, so she decked him. And - unlike fiction, where dropping someone like a sack of flour to the floor doesn't leave a bruise - ME1 played the consequences of throwing someone like that straight.

 

Plus, Sarah was (actually) doing him a favour by saying that he fell. Because "After my boyfriend tried to rape me, he verberally assaulted me at school, and when I wasn't intimidated, he tried to hit me. I threw him down, forcefully." Saving him from multiple assault and sexual assault charges is pretty favourable. 

 

Edit:

Although the real issue with the story is that it reads a bit like an outright threat in a romance, and that's nowhere near good. 

 

They were taking a walk through the woods, he went further faster than she was comfortable with, she threw him into a tree. Later on she told that story to the entire school.

He confronts her in front of the school, screams at her, then throws a punch and she takes him down hard, risking a lethal injury. 

 

Yay, awesome reaction! Brilliant! Because violence is the best solution! Let's not talk about how she basically destroyed his life by spreading the story, that wasn't her decision to make. Let's talk how she could have taken him down without injuring him. Or how she could have just walked away. Or called in an authority figure. Or gotten her big sister stand next to her to prevent the guy from getting violent.

 

Imagine what would have happened if she did permanent damage to him.

 

Since this is BSN, I probably need to point out that I am not excusing that boys actions at all. What he did was sexual assault and later on it was assault. I just don't think that her reaction is something that should be presented as "Awesome! That jerk deserved it!" because it glosses over a lot of details and consequences.