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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Let's not talk about how she basically destroyed his life by spreading the story, that wasn't her decision to make.

Wait, people who were nearly rape victims don't have the right to tell people they were almost raped? 

[KaiserShep]

They were taking a walk through the woods, he went further faster than she was comfortable with, she threw him into a tree. Later on she told that story to the entire school.

He confronts her in front of the school, screams at her, then throws a punch and she takes him down hard, risking a lethal injury. 

 

Yay, awesome reaction! Brilliant! Because violence is the best solution! Let's not talk about how she basically destroyed his life by spreading the story, that wasn't her decision to make. Let's talk how she could have taken him down without injuring him. Or how she could have just walked away. Or called in an authority figure. Or gotten her big sister stand next to her to prevent the guy from getting violent.

 

Imagine what would have happened if she did permanent damage to him.

 

Since this is BSN, I probably need to point out that I am not excusing that boys actions at all. What he did was sexual assault and later on it was assault. I just don't think that her reaction is something that should be presented as "Awesome! That jerk deserved it!" because it glosses over a lot of details and consequences.

 

Unless it's a lie, then sure it's her decision to make. The way I see it, he forfeited certain comforts in his poor decision making. Obviously he'd want to keep it to himself, but who cares what he wants at that point? If he doesn't like it, he can become a farmer on Eden Prime or something. 

 

He could have walked away too. She doesn't have to go anywhere, and he succumbed to yet another poor decision, and his fool ass got exactly what he deserved.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Wait, people who were nearly rape victims don't have the right to tell people they were almost raped? 

 

Go to the authorities, tell the school officials... but don't run around and tell -everyone- because that takes things out of proportion. If he is found guilty of sexual assault, then the authorities can issue warnings about him or take him to jail. Being the victim of a crime does not give you the right to infringe on the personal rights of another person, even if that person is your attacker.

 

Unless it's a lie, then sure it's her decision to make. The way I see it, he forfeited certain comforts in his poor decision making. Obviously he'd want to keep it to himself, but who cares what he wants at that point? 

 

He could have walked away too. She doesn't have to go anywhere, and he succumbed to yet another poor decision, and his fool ass got exactly what he deserved.

 

Thanks for proving me right when I said that story was questionable. I'm disappointed in you now.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Go to the authorities, tell the school officials... but don't run around and tell -everyone- because that takes things out of proportion. If he is found guilty of sexual assault, then the authorities can issue warnings about him or take him to jail. Being the victim of a crime does not give you the right to infringe on the personal rights of another person, even if that person is your attacker.

Yes. Yes, it does. He surrendered all personal rights when he tried to infringe on her personal rights. 

If I'm nearly raped by someone, I'm sure going to tell everyone I know so they aren't potential victims. 

 

Thanks for proving me right when I said that story was questionable. I'm disappointed in you now.

The story is not questionable. 

He tried to rape her, so she exposes him for that. 

He tries to attack her, so she defends herself. 

There is nothing questionable about her reactions to his actions. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Yes. Yes, it does. He surrendered all personal rights when he tried to infringe on her personal rights. 

If I'm nearly raped by someone, I'm sure going to tell everyone I know so they aren't potential victims. 

 

Yeah, try to get that notion through a court. By denying him his rights, you'd also dimnish your own. Great strategy, wonder how that would work out in the long run.

I'd also be careful with calling it rape, because that's just such a tricky subject. Legally, it wasn't even close to it.

[Grieving Natashina]

Before this becomes any more heated (and further into the rape conversation, which about guarantees a lock,) I'd like to point out that Ashley is likely dead no matter what.  I can easily see a century or even a few between the events of the original ME trilogy.  At the very most, I can see us possibly running into a descendant of the William's clan.  And since Ashley didn't have any brothers or even male cousins that she mentioned, it's very likely that Ash's particular family branch didn't have a male family member to carry on the name.  

 

We can create a different thread discussing and dissecting Ashley's character and motivations, but that isn't really the thread topic here.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah, try to get that notion through a court. By denying him his rights, you'd also dimnish your own. Great strategy, wonder how that would work out in the long run.

I'd also be careful with calling it rape, because that's just such a tricky subject. Legally, it wasn't even close to it.

Did he try to have sex with a person without their consent? The answer is yes, thus he committed attempted rape. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Did he try to have sex with a person without their consent? The answer is yes, thus he did commit attempted rape. 

 

*sigh* No, it's not. It's called sexual assault and it's distinct from rape. Different law.

 

@Natashina: Agreed. I did write "Let's not talk about it" though. ;D

[Hanako Ikezawa]

*sigh* No, it's not. It's called sexual assault and it's distinct from rape. Different law.

Attempted rape is a type of sexual assault. Sexual assault is broader charge that consists of a few different crimes. 

 

I'm dropping this, but just had to explain that. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I wasn't trying to give anyone a hard time, I promise.  I've just noticed that getting too heavily into a rape conversation is a bad idea on any BSN thread.  

 

The conversation seems pretty moot anyhow.  As I've mentioned before, the only squad member that could make an appearance is Liara, due to her lifespan and Unkillable status.  Since the devs are probably very very well aware of how sick a lot of players were of her, I doubt she'll show up.  Or if she does, it'll be extremely brief/in the form of a recording.

 

I hate to be "that guy," but the squad members, save possibly Liara, are dead no matter what Shepard did.   Well, Grunt might be alive, but that depends upon the variable of whether or not Shepard released him from the tank.  That alone probably puts him right off the table, same with Wrex.  

Humans live to be 150 at the max, and might have increased a little bit depending upon when ME:A takes place.  If it's a hundred years from ME3, does any Ashley fan really need to see ~130 year old possibly on her death bed?

[Han Shot First]

The Virmire decision was stupid. There were several ways you could have saved both, but you don't get to because drama. 

 

I liked the Virmire decision. Perhaps they could have added a few more details that made it clearer why both couldn't be saved, but I liked that there was no perfect outcome. Having an option to save everyone would have robbed Virmire of the emotional impact it does have. I also though it more closely mirrored the real world than ME2's victory without cost.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wasn't trying to give anyone a hard time, I promise.  I've just noticed that getting too heavily into a rape conversation is a bad idea on any BSN thread.  

 

The conversation seems pretty moot anyhow.  As I've mentioned before, the only squad member that could make an appearance is Liara, due to her lifespan and Unkillable status.  Since the devs are probably very very well aware of how sick a lot of players were of her, I doubt she'll show up.  Or if she does, it'll be extremely brief/in the form of a recording.

 

I hate to be "that guy," but the squad members, save possibly Liara, are dead no matter what Shepard did.   Well, Grunt might be alive, but that depends upon the variable of whether or not Shepard released him from the tank.  That alone probably puts him right off the table, same with Wrex.  

Humans live to be 150 at the max, and might have increased a little bit depending upon when ME:A takes place.  If it's a hundred years from ME3, does any Ashley fan really need to see ~130 year old possibly on her death bed?

Liara can be killed by Harbinger during the beam run, actually. Every single squad member throughout the trilogy can be dead. 

 

I liked the Virmire decision. Perhaps they could have added a few more details that made it clearer why both couldn't be saved, but I liked that there was no perfect outcome. Having an option to save everyone would have robbed Virmire of the emotional impact it does have. I also though it more closely mirrored the real world than ME2's victory without cost.

The only emotion Virmire gave me was annoyance. 

[KaiserShep]

Thanks for proving me right when I said that story was questionable. I'm disappointed in you now.

 

Well, life is full of disappointments, but the story is a bit too familiar, and reminds me of someone with whom I could never allocate an ounce of remorse. 

 

 

I liked the Virmire decision. Perhaps they could have added a few more details that made it clearer why both couldn't be saved, but I liked that there was no perfect outcome. Having an option to save everyone would have robbed Virmire of the emotional impact it does have. I also though it more closely mirrored the real world than ME2's victory without cost.

 

 

I find the decision works a lot better if I always abandon the bomb site, especially if I'm also saving Kirrahe by doing that extra crap, so if I want to alternate which character to make it to 3, I just switch the characters' positions, but never the direction I go in. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Liara can be killed by Harbinger during the beam run, actually. Every single squad member throughout the trilogy can be dead. 

 

The only emotion Virmire gave me was annoyance. 

 

Yes and yes.

[Grieving Natashina]

Regarding Liara's possible death:

 

Only with low EMS and even then, the plot armor is strong with that one.  That's why I said she would be the only one that might show up at all.  Regardless, like I said, I think the devs and writers have certainly heard how much a lot of players are sick of Liara, so I highly doubt she'll show up.  I could see maybe a recording or hologram of her, but that's pretty much it.  I really don't think we'll see her in the flesh.

 

DA's cameos make a lot more sense due to the short-time frame in which the series has taken place (~11 years at this point.)  Who knows how long it's going to be between ME3 and ME:A, not to mention we're in a whole new galaxy.  Let's bring on the new faces and except for a few references, leave the past behind.  It's either that or skip ME:A, which hey, more power to those that consider their game purchases carefully.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Regarding Liara's possible death:

 

Only with low EMS and even then, the plot armor is strong with that one.  That's why I said she would be the only one that might show up at all.  Regardless, like I said, I think the devs and writers have certainly heard how much a lot of players are sick of Liara, so I highly doubt she'll show up.  I could see maybe a recording or hologram of her, but that's pretty much it.  I really don't think we'll see her in the flesh.

 

DA's cameos make a lot more sense due to the short-time frame in which the series has taken place (~11 years at this point.)  Who knows how long it's going to be between ME3 and ME:A, not to mention we're in a whole new galaxy.  Let's bring on the new faces and except for a few references, leave the past behind.  It's either that or skip ME:A, which hey, more power to those that consider their game purchases carefully.  

I would like if some minor NPCs who are always alive would show up in 'Mass Effect': Andromeda.

[KaiserShep]

It's safe to say that the whole damn galaxy is a multi-state character. The Milky Way = the Warden. It's out there somewhere, doing stuff, but we'll never see it, and few will discuss it. 

[Han Shot First]

 

I find the decision works a lot better if I always abandon the bomb site, especially if I'm also saving Kirrahe by doing that extra crap, so if I want to alternate which character to make it to 3, I just switch the characters' positions, but never the direction I go in. 

 

I almost always have Shepard go to the AA Tower as well, which is also why Kaidan usually dies on Virmire except for one playthrough where I kept him alive just for ME3 import. I think he makes more sense at the bomb site, and there are more people to rescue at the AA Tower. On that note the Salarians should have died if Shepard doubled back to the bomb site, IMO.

[Grieving Natashina]

@Hana (sorry, habit) Like who?  

 

The fate of the majority of the Citadel was "bad, very bad" according to Mac.  Several planets got Reaped, and some got nuked by their own citizens, so I'm at a loss as to who might be alive without question.  Barring cryo-status of course, which is always a possibility.  What are your ideas?

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, I agree that the entire team should be lost if you abandon the tower. 

[KaiserShep]

@Hana (sorry, habit) Like who?  

 

The fate of the majority of the Citadel was "bad, very bad" according to Mac.  Several planets got Reaped, and some got nuked by their own citizens, so I'm at a loss as to who might be alive without question.  Barring cryo-status of course, which is always a possibility.  What are your ideas?

That's the sort of thing that really makes it feel rushed. The story loses track of its characters so badly that some even resort to teleporting. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@Hana (sorry, habit) Like who?  

 

The fate of the majority of the Citadel was "bad, very bad" according to Mac.  Several planets got Reaped, and some got nuked by their own citizens, so I'm at a loss as to who might be alive without question.  Barring cryo-status of course, which is always a possibility.  What are your ideas?

Really any character who can't be killed by our decisions and is not stated dead by WoG. Other than that, it becomes just personal preferences. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

@Hana (sorry, habit) Like who?  

 

The fate of the majority of the Citadel was "bad, very bad" according to Mac.  Several planets got Reaped, and some got nuked by their own citizens, so I'm at a loss as to who might be alive without question.  Barring cryo-status of course, which is always a possibility.  What are your ideas?

Really any character who can't be killed by our decisions and is not stated dead by WoG. Other than that, it becomes just personal preferences. 

 

Some of the NPCs on Noveria for example. The Asari who tried to make you spy on someone, the mechanic in the garage, Lorik Qui'in.

 

Aria never dies either.

[Grieving Natashina]

I can't think of anyone that can't be killed through Shepard (through his/her action or inaction,) the Reapers or a combination of the above.  I wasn't asking so much for preferences, I was asking who you thought might be alive at this point.  Would you be willing to name some names?  I'm wracking my brain, hard here, and I can't think of a single NPC that might be alive.  Pretty much all of them were on Reaped worlds or on the Citadel, so I don't see what characters that are named NPCs that are alive.  Some descendants, sure, but otherwise I'm drawing a blank. 

 

Problem: Aria was stuck on the Citadel, unless the player did Omega.  Too many of those NPCs potentially died on the Citadel to make even Aria a safe bet.  Even then, wasn't Omega screwed by the end of the game?  I also thought Noveria got Reaped as well.  It seems like too many variables for any NPC from the first trilogy to come back.

[KaiserShep]

Kai Leng's clone is probably in stasis the entire time, right next to the pod where Shepard's was.