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[Bacus]

Three things first:
1)I dont want reapers in Andromeda.
2) this is mainly a lore question
3) Written from a cellphone expect horrors in the writing.

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OK, correct me if I'm wrong, the Reapers have been "cleansing" the galaxy for a while now. Apparently they have been doing so for millions of years.
This creates the following question. They only cleanse the milky way? If so why? They "live in dark space" I would guess that is the space between galaxies, therefore they need some sort of intergalactic flight.
Secondly if they only somehow are restricted to the milky way, have they never encountered anyone coming from another galaxy? If we can travel to Andromeda, how can the reapers or any other unknown civ never have traveled before? And if someone did travel to the milky way, did the reapers ignore them? If they found out about intergalactic possibilities, shouldn't they have gone to other galaxies to "save" the organics?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

No because Drew Karpyshyn never wrote that possibility.

[katerinafm]

If we think too much about it, the plot holes will just become too much. I've thought about that as well. Andromeda was completely free of Reapers and unaffected? Why hasn't an attempt to go there been made before? Why wasn't this an evacuation plan for the species when the Reapers arrived? etcetcetc

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Andromeda is nearly four times the size of the Milky Way. If we assume 20,000 cycles, and how the reapers won the first few cycles is a real stretch to begin with, we can assume that we're not the first there. It could be that Andromeda was populated by three major races from each cycle, and that each cycle occupied a cluster. Over the billion years, some were more successful than others. I would imagine that most of the early ones became extinct. A billion years is a very long time. A civilization doesn't last that long, let alone a species, unless you're a single celled organism, cockroach, or a plot device like Leviathan that was pulled out of the ass of the writers to justify the crap they wrote at the end of Mass Effect 3.

 

So perhaps  we might run into some who fled during two of the last three cycles. I think the Protheans banked on surviving in underground vaults in the Milky Way so  I don't think we'll find any of them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is nothing in the lore that restricts the Reapers to solely reaping the Milky Way.

[NeonFlux117]

"There is a Realm so far beyond your comprehension, you cannot possibly imagine it"

So yeah, The Reapers have probably been to Andromeda.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Reapers in Andromeda? Pre-order cancelled.

[NeonFlux117]

There's probably an Andromeda Citadel as well.

[Ahriman]

There is nothing in the lore that restricts the Reapers to solely reaping the Milky Way.

Except the fact that Starbrat was created to solve problems of Leviathan Empire, not entire Universe.

If they weren't limited by Milky Way, they would be harvesting every galaxy. Every. Single. One. AI doesn't know word "enough". Instead they just sleep 50 000 years in Dark Space, that was established by lore.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There's probably an Andromeda Citadel as well.

Perhaps that's how we get to Andromeda. We use our Citadel Relay which leads to a Relay in Dark Space which leads to the Citadel in Andromeda. 

 

Except the fact that Starbrat was created to solve problems of Leviathan Empire, not entire Universe.

If they weren't limited by Milky Way, they would be harvesting every galaxy. Every. Single. One. AI doesn't know word "enough". Instead they just sleep 50 000 years in Dark Space, that was established by lore.

No, the Catalyst was created to solve the problem between organic and synthetic life and "preserve life at any cost". There were no restrictions placed on them. Even the Leviathans themselves weren't exempt. 

There is no evidence that they have not done exactly that, or at least every galaxy they can reach. 

Them taking a 50,000 year nap was never established. Vigil states it is only a hypothesis on his part. 

[Ahriman]

No, the Catalyst was created to solve the problem between organic and synthetic life and "preserve life at any cost". There were no restrictions placed on them. Even the Leviathans themselves weren't exempt. 

There is no evidence that they have not done exactly that, or at least every galaxy they can reach. 

Them taking a 50,000 year nap was never established. Vigil states it is only a hypothesis on his part. 

No, it was created to solve the problem of Leviathan servant races destroying themselves with AI.

The only evidence of them not doing something is to go there and see. If Reapers were talking about things they are not doing, it would take a while.

Nor it was disproved, nobody in ME suggested otherwise.

[Chealec]

Perhaps that's how we get to Andromeda. We use our Citadel Relay which leads to a Relay in Dark Space which leads to the Citadel in Andromeda. 

 

No, the Catalyst was created to solve the problem between organic and synthetic life and "preserve life at any cost". There were no restrictions placed on them. Even the Leviathans themselves weren't exempt. 

There is no evidence that they have not done exactly that, or at least every galaxy they can reach. 

Them taking a 50,000 year nap was never established. Vigil states it is only a hypothesis on his part. 

 

... and there's also no evidence that anything beyond the Milky Way wasn't outside the scope of the original programming, that forgetting to exclude Leviathan from the harvest was anything more than a programming glitch. No evidence that in fact that restrictions weren't placed on the Reapers or even that the star-brat is an actual AI - it certainly doesn't behave like a sentient creature; it performs the same repetitive task, unthinkingly, every 50000 years and at the end gives Shepard the option and ability to destroy it - no sense of self-preservation.

 

So the whole Reaper harvest thing is the fault of sloppy coding from the Leviathan - it's just a buggy VI. There's no evidence to the contrary

 

 

 

If BioWare want to put the Reapers into Andromeda they can, if they want to exclude them they can. It's not like the plot is watertight enough to exclude either possibility now is it?

[N7Jamaican]

No Reapers please.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If BioWare want to put the Reapers into Andromeda they can, if they want to exclude them they can. It's not like the plot is watertight enough to exclude either possibility now is it?

Pretty much. It is a Schrodinger's paradox. Until we get there and see, the Reapers have been everywhere yet nowhere at the same time. And even then, all it would prove is whether they have or have not been to Andromeda only. All other galaxies still fall under the paradox until we open those boxes. 

[KaiserShep]

"There is a Realm so far beyond your comprehension, you cannot possibly imagine it"
So yeah, The Reapers have probably been to Andromeda.

Sovy said a lot of things, and it was full of sh**.

[dreamgazer]

Reapers won't be in Andromeda. ME3 took care of that.

 

Reapers have probably been to Andromeda, though. Maybe they left their valuable stuff everywhere. 

[Zazzerka]

Sovy said a lot of things, and it was full of sh**.

 

Sovereign was a special kind of egotist. For every insult we can hurl at Shepard for claiming that "machines can be broken," nobody can deny that Shepard broke the hell out of that machine. Like, if s/he had tried to download dubious Russian moneymaking software onto a random HDD, it would still be less broken than Sovereign.

[KaiserShep]

Reapers won't be in Andromeda. ME3 took care of that.
 
Reapers have probably been to Andromeda, though. Maybe they left their valuable stuff everywhere.

Or perhaps the reapers had plans but they never came to fruition thanks to the Crucible, leaving technology that would have taken them to Andromeda once they were done cleansing the Milky Way.

[Iakus]

There's probably an Andromeda Citadel as well.

Populated by refugees form the Milky Way?

 

The Cassablanca of Andromeda? 

[Iakus]

Reapers won't be in Andromeda. ME3 took care of that.

 

Reapers have probably been to Andromeda, though. Maybe they left their valuable stuff everywhere. 

Or maybe there will be something like Reapers running Andromeda, but not our Reapers.

 

I mean, the created will always turn on the creator.  It's inevitable, amirite?  

[GaroTD]

Reapers are rather exclusive to Milky Way. I would be surprised if they will be in Andromeda. Btw after endings reapers will stay in Milky Way no matter what so yea.

[Dantriges]

Or maybe there will be something like Reapers running Andromeda, but not our Reapers.

 

I mean, the created will always turn on the creator.  It's inevitable, amirite?  

 

The andromedan ones got annihilated by the ascended organic apex species.

When the Reapers appeared to save them from the synthetic threat, the andromedan master race told them, "you have funny problems over there, now go back to sleep and don´t draw further attention from those infinitely your greater."

[exboomer]

Except the fact that Starbrat was created to solve problems of Leviathan Empire, not entire Universe.

If they weren't limited by Milky Way, they would be harvesting every galaxy. Every. Single. One. AI doesn't know word "enough". Instead they just sleep 50 000 years in Dark Space, that was established by lore.

Time may pass differently in Andromeda than it does in the Milky Way galaxy so who knows where in the 50,000 year cycle Andromeda is or how many advanced civilizations actually exist there. 

[GaroTD]

But BW would never again throw themselves into that kind of plot. They want something new.

[Eryri]

I would seem to hold an unpopular opinion, as I actually would like to see more of the Reapers. I thought they held a great deal of promise as quasi-Lovecraftian villains which they didn't have a chance to fulfil.