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[RepHope]

Since Walters is in control a better question would be: Does Andromeda have Cerberus? 

 

Remember kids you can't kill an idea, no matter how stupid or forced it is.

[RepHope]

But BW would never again throw themselves into that kind of plot. They want something new.

They're pretty much recycling ME1. A hostile race threatens humanity's position in the galaxy, go collect the technology of a lost and forgotten race, and I'm sure it's all leading up to "An ancient evil awakens". I hope I'm wrong, but it feels like that's where this is going.

[BatarianBob]

For once, maybe instead of ancient evil we could get contemporary evil. Mix things up a bit.

[RoboticWater]

But BW would never again throw themselves into that kind of plot. They want something new.

If there's one thing that BioWare have been consistently poor at, it's changing their plot structure.

 

I'd love it if they changed, but I don;t expect BioWare to give up their tropes any time soon.

[Arcian]

OK, correct me if I'm wrong, the Reapers have been "cleansing" the galaxy for a while now. Apparently they have been doing so for millions of years.
This creates the following question. They only cleanse the milky way? If so why? They "live in dark space" I would guess that is the space between galaxies, therefore they need some sort of intergalactic flight.

Not necessarily, they started moving towards the Milky Way when Sovereign was destroyed and arrived three years later. Since their max speed is 30 light years per day, that means their base in dark space is about 33,000 light years out from the edge of the Milky Way, which isn't that far at all... just 20% of the total diameter of the galaxy. Andromeda is over 7500% further away.

[Nethalf]

Since Walters is in control a better question would be: Does Andromeda have Cerberus? 

Since Walters is in control a better question would be: Does Andromeda have a solid storyline?

[Seboist]

Since Walters is in control a better question would be: Does Andromeda have Cerberus? 

 

Remember kids you can't kill an idea, no matter how stupid or forced it is.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote in Cerb having sleeper agents on the Arks. I expect it actually.

[Dantriges]

Oh please no.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote in Cerb having sleeper agents on the Arks. I expect it actually.

 

But it's so morally ambiguous!!! So edgy!!!

[Seboist]

But it's so morally ambiguous!!! So edgy!!!

 

They sure tried really hard at that in ME2, like with the Michael Vick school of biotic training in Jack's LM and the bizarre Clockwork orange contraption in Project Overlord.

[The Night Haunter]

If we think too much about it, the plot holes will just become too much. I've thought about that as well. Andromeda was completely free of Reapers and unaffected? Why hasn't an attempt to go there been made before? Why wasn't this an evacuation plan for the species when the Reapers arrived? etcetcetc

Because you can fit maybe 100k people on ships and send them off to Andromeda, If you read the codexes about human colonies you'll see they are all incredibly low population, with Terra Nova (or w/e that very first colony we see in ME is) having the largest size at 4 Mil, obviously mass transit of 1000's of people isn't something that has been done in the ME universe. With 7 Billion people on earth a plan that saves less than 1% of the human race is not going to be an acceptable plan, thus why it isn't brought up as such during the game.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

They sure tried really hard at that in ME2, like with the Michael Vick school of biotic training in Jack's LM and the bizarre Clockwork orange contraption in Project Overlord.

 

ME3 Cerberus was pretty subtle ... compared to the original ME3 script version of Cerberus that is.

[dreamgazer]

Since Walters is in control a better question would be: Does Andromeda have Cerberus?

Does it have them? Hell, who do you think funded and spearheaded the voyage to "determine the fate of humanity" in the first place?

Spoiler

In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised to see a hybrid organization of Cerberus and Terra Firma loyalists in Andromeda.

Jokes or not, human supremacy isn't an idea easily killed.

[katerinafm]

Because you can fit maybe 100k people on ships and send them off to Andromeda, If you read the codexes about human colonies you'll see they are all incredibly low population, with Terra Nova (or w/e that very first colony we see in ME is) having the largest size at 4 Mil, obviously mass transit of 1000's of people isn't something that has been done in the ME universe. With 7 Billion people on earth a plan that saves less than 1% of the human race is not going to be an acceptable plan, thus why it isn't brought up as such during the game.

 

Better than getting wiped out completely though?

[exboomer]

They're pretty much recycling ME1. A hostile race threatens humanity's position in the galaxy, go collect the technology of a lost and forgotten race, and I'm sure it's all leading up to "An ancient evil awakens". I hope I'm wrong, but it feels like that's where this is going.

It will be very interesting to see how Bioware handles the Remnant angle. They have to be very careful not to make them a clone of the Protheans in the lore. And they will also have to be very careful on how they handle the disappearance of the Remnant civilization as well.

[marcelo caldas]

If we think too much about it, the plot holes will just become too much. I've thought about that as well. Andromeda was completely free of Reapers and unaffected? Why hasn't an attempt to go there been made before? Why wasn't this an evacuation plan for the species when the Reapers arrived? etcetcetc

 

And more, the inevitable War between Organis and Machines. Without Reapers shouldn't Organics been wiped long ago?

[In Exile]

Does it have them? Hell, who do you think funded and spearheaded the voyage to "determine the fate of humanity" in the first place?

Spoiler

In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised to see a hybrid organization of Cerberus and Terra Firma loyalists in Andromeda.

Jokes or not, human supremacy isn't an idea easily killed.

 

If it's close enough to the ME3 timeline, either TIM is out or they justify it with TIM still not being fully indoctrinated, fighting against it, and ARKON being his last ditch attempt to save humanity for realsies. 

[SolNebula]

If there is Cerberus this time around probably they will play the role of the Imperialists wanting to expand in Andromeda with firepower and submit the "primitives" of that galaxy.

[marcelo caldas]

I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote in Cerb having sleeper agents on the Arks. I expect it actually.

 

oh God...

[katerinafm]

And more, the inevitable War between Organis and Machines. Without Reapers shouldn't Organics been wiped long ago?

 

Yes, also the obvious fact that the only machine known to wipe organics are the reapers themselves and a single person was able to convince the geth to stand down.

[jak11164]

Yes, also the obvious fact that the only machine known to wipe organics are the reapers themselves and a single person was able to convince the geth to stand down.

1. all previous cycles ("thousands of them" were around organics sv synthetics) person who convinced synthetics to stand down happened once.

2. Milky Way is not only one place where conflict have had happened. All life creates synthetics and at some point fight them than it looses

   ------If reapers are as some say Mikly Way confined. Conflict in andromeda my produce superintelligent machines that won conflict and we are screwed

   ------If reapers are true universal beings that broke off the catalyst leash and could travel almost to the edge of visible universe with FTL we are also screwed because there will be no more crucible and oneshot gun we used

[Ahriman]

1. all previous cycles ("thousands of them" were around organics sv synthetics) person who convinced synthetics to stand down happened once.

All previous cycles were organics vs reapers, which were not created by given organics. Starbrat's (Walter's) logic is utterly broken, but he "prooves" this logic with his own actions. Yeah, sure, organics can create AI which wipes them, but they also can wipe themselves out without it, or be wiped out by some other organics. Same list of possible ends also applies to synthetics.

Leviathan DLC tried to fix, but it only makes Starbrat even more broken, because now you can clearly see the gap between Leviathan's question "Organic species tend to create AI which wipes them out, what can be done about it?" and Starbrat's "Organics are always destroyed by their creations, so I kill them all before it happens".

[jak11164]

All previous cycles were organics vs reapers, which were not created by given organics. Starbrat's (Walter's) logic is utterly broken, but he "prooves" this logic with his own actions. Yeah, sure, organics can create AI which wipes them, but they also can wipe themselves out without it, or be wiped out by some other organics. Same list of possible ends also applies to synthetics.

Leviathan DLC tried to fix, but it only makes Starbrat even more broken, because now you can clearly see the gap between Leviathan's question "Organic species tend to create AI which wipes them out, what can be done about it?" and Starbrat's "Organics are always destroyed by their creations, so I kill them all before it happens".

No - reapers were created by catalyst to solve inevitable conflict between organics and synthetic, that first occurred at leviathans first cycle. Invention of synthetics and this conflict triggers reapers return,. That happened during prothean period too. They meet synthetics, had war with them, and reapers came .That why  Harbinger is staying inside galaxy

[The Night Haunter]

Better than getting wiped out completely though?

You can't think about it logically, you have to think about like people in that situation would be. If the government launched a project to abandon 99.9% of the population do you really think everyone would sit quietly and let that happen? Of course not, everyone who wasn't selected to go (so basically everyone) would rebel against the government and sabotage any attempt like this.

People are not rational and they don't make logical choices, all they see if the government abandoning them and why should someone else live if they have to die?

 

 

It actually would be a cool study of human psychology to have a scenario like that in games. But anyway the 'Ark' if that actually is what they story for MEA is, will most likely have been an ad-hoc thing, or something done in complete secrecy. Personally I think the ad-hoc method is more likely. The remnants of a battered fleet decide to pick up all the colonists they can then high tail it outa the Milky Way.

[Ahriman]

No - reapers were created by catalyst to solve inevitable conflict between organics and synthetic, that first occurred at leviathans first cycle. 

Um, no. Some servant races were destroyed by their AIs, which made Leviathans sad. They were totally fine until they created AI/VI to make it stop and gave it enough power to crush them (really professional thinking was involved here).

 

Invention of synthetics and this conflict triggers reapers return,. That happened during prothean period too. They meet synthetics, had war with them, and reapers came .That why  Harbinger is staying inside galaxy

Another no. Sovy tried to capture Citadel with Rachni and it was 1900 years before Geth rebelion.