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[ProphetOfDoom666]

Hey folks,

I've seen alot topics, threads about the Witcher 3 and how it is better, superior over DAI.The like of " be more like witcher 3" and " what Witcher 3 does better than DAI".I own both games and have completed both.

Now why do i think DAI is a better "rpg"? Both games are decent games that look simular on the surface although very different inside.It depends on what you think of a rpg and how that relates to the combat, gameplay, story and characters.
Dragon age has the better character developement and character progression.Witcher 3 has a fixed and very plain, one dimensional protagonist.You are stuck with Geralt and his dull voice, personality untill the end.He never evolves or grows in his personality, he stays a very static character.In DAI you can choose your race, gender, class and even specialize into different weapons aswell as skill trees within the class of your choice.That is what i expect from a rpg.I want to create a character that i have in mind and make the decisions to express and form his/her personality.The combat is as terrible as in the witcher 2 and the small amount of skills and character progression doesn't help it either.Nothing flashy or interesting, no real strategy to speak of in the witcher 3 combat.

Don't get me started on the menus in Witcher 3.All in all the gameplay,which is very important too is alot better in Dragon age inquisition than in the witcher 3.

The witcher 3 has the more intresting story.But you can skip a cutscene, dialogue but you can't skip the combat and gameplay.

So please Bioware improve on the good aspects in DAI but don't just go the "be more like game x" route.Bioware games have their own strengths aswell as weaknesses like any other game.

Edit: i like both games but for different reasons.Also what i said is my personal feelings, opinion.People are different so are opinions.Just relax people it's a game not a mather of live and death.

Cheers

[FKA_Servo]

The combat is as terrible as in the witcher 2 and the small amount of skills and character progression doesn't help it either.Nothing flashy or interesting, no real strategy to speak of in the witcher 3 combat.

Don't get me started on the menus in Witcher 3.All in all the gameplay,which is very important too is alot better in Dragon age inquisition than in the witcher 3.
 

 

This is what people need to zero in on. Everyone can yell themselves constipated about what they think one game does better than the other in terms of lore/characters/world/whatever - all stuff that is (pretty much - I concede the point about meaty sidequests) subjective.

 

But the gameplay is a pretty important part of the game. Ultimately also subjective, yes, but not in the same sense as the other things, because it adds up to a completely different gameplay experience. Most of the people who strenuously advocate in favor of one game or the other seem to universally ignore this.

 

Mechanically, DA is a RTwP party based game, in all its iterations. The Witcher is an action game, in all its iterations. Both fall under the broad and nebulously defined "RPG" genre umbrella, but if you really enjoy playing one, it doesn't follow that you want to play the other.

[Super Drone]

This is what people need to zero in on. Everyone can yell themselves constipated about what they think one game does better than the other in terms of lore/characters/world/whatever - all stuff that is (pretty much - I concede the point about meaty sidequests) subjective.

 

But the gameplay is a pretty important part of the game. Ultimately also subjective, yes, but not in the same sense as the other things, because it adds up to a completely different gameplay experience. Most of the people who strenuously advocate in favor of one game or the other seem to universally ignore this.

 

Mechanically, DA is a RTwP party based game, in all its iterations. The Witcher is an action game, in all its iterations. Both fall under the broad and nebulously defined "RPG" genre umbrella, but if you really enjoy playing one, it doesn't follow that you want to play the other.

 

Do you honestly think people who advocate for Dragon Age to 'be more like The Witcher' are talking about wanting Dragon Age to be a single character who cartwheels and stuns people with magic hand-signs? I imagine they are talking about things like interesting side-quests, cut-scenes in all dialogue, intense characterization in the main characters, and the like. I doubt nearly anyone is talking about the actual combat mechanics.

 

I get that the  "Witcher sucks because I can't be a girl and/or gay!!!!!!!!!" contingent can't ever stop the Eternal Struggle against the horrors of cis-gendered heterosexual males in games, but after a while it becomes cartoonish.

[ProphetOfDoom666]

Do you honestly think people who advocate for Dragon Age to 'be more like The Witcher' are talking about wanting Dragon Age to be a single character who cartwheels and stuns people with magic hand-signs? I imagine they are talking about things like interesting side-quests, cut-scenes in all dialogue, intense characterization in the main characters, and the like. I doubt nearly anyone is talking about the actual combat mechanics.
 
I get that the  "Witcher sucks because I can't be a girl and/or gay!!!!!!!!!" contingent can't ever stop the Eternal Struggle against the horrors of cis-gendered heterosexual males in games, but after a while it becomes cartoonish.

Witcher 3 does a better job at the presentation of it's quests which is one of DAI main problems.
There are things that CDPR could learn from Bioware and vice versa.
I don't want to see any kind of virtual romance in a game unless it affects both story and quests.If it is in the game just for sake of it, hell no!

Also i never said that those people want a character like in witcher 3 for a DA game.I wanted to point out how people tend to see everything black or white.As i said in my post.This game is all good and the other is all bad.I don't see it that way.Also people prefer different things for different reasons.

[FKA_Servo]

Do you honestly think people who advocate for Dragon Age to 'be more like The Witcher' are talking about wanting Dragon Age to be a single character who cartwheels and stuns people with magic hand-signs? I imagine they are talking about things like interesting side-quests, cut-scenes in all dialogue, intense characterization in the main characters, and the like. I doubt nearly anyone is talking about the actual combat mechanics.

 

I get that the  "Witcher sucks because I can't be a girl and/or gay!!!!!!!!!" contingent can't ever stop the Eternal Struggle against the horrors of cis-gendered heterosexual males in games, but after a while it becomes cartoonish.

 

Eh. My post was addressing something that I was sitting around being annoyed about generally, but was not really germane to the discussion at hand and shouldn't have gone up. So, nevermind.

 

In any case, broadly speaking, I (and clearly many other folks here) don't think that the Dragon Age series is weak in any of those aspects, except for the many of the sidequests in DAI, which I actually conceded. Hence, all this stuff is subjective. I'm a reasonably recent TW convert, and I'm very much enjoying both.

 

Your last part is completely uncalled for, but that said... I wouldn't understate the power and appeal of a custom protagonist. It's something that Bioware's games will always have over TW. I'm not the only one here who thinks it's an important and valuable choice that counts for a lot.

[I saved Star Wars :D]

Personally, I would hate to see Dragon Age go the route of a Geralt (or even a Hawke, for that matter,) because I love that there are high quality games of different types coming from different developers. DAI has plenty of strengths and qualities and the idea of building your own character is certainly one of those strengths.

 

That said, describing Geralt as "one dimensional" is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on these forums. I can only assume that the OP either doesn't know anything about Geralt or doesn't know what "one dimensional" means XD.

[Super Drone]

I don't want to see any kind of virtual romance in a game unless it affects both story and quests.If it is in the game just for sake of it, hell no!

 

What?

 

 

You do realize you are talking about Bioware right? the King of Tacked-on Romances.  Which Romances in DAI affect DAI's plot, apart from Solas'?

 

Compared to the Witcher's Romances, which are either 1) the culmination of a Romance that occurs over 3 games, or 2) a Romance that was defined in the novels and, after a fashion, was the core reason behind most of the main plot (i.e. Why Geralt has amnesia). and both of which affect  the ending of the game?

[Morroian]

The combat is as terrible as in the witcher 2 and the small amount of skills and character progression doesn't help it either.Nothing flashy or interesting, no real strategy to speak of in the witcher 3 combat.

Don't get me started on the menus in Witcher 3.All in all the gameplay,which is very important too is alot better in Dragon age inquisition than in the witcher 3.

 

The combat is terrible in DAI with no real strategy required, and the PC UI for DAI is a POS.

[ProphetOfDoom666]

Personally, I would hate to see Dragon Age go the route of a Geralt (or even a Hawke, for that matter,) because I love that there are high quality games of different types coming from different developers. DAI has plenty of strengths and qualities and the idea of building your own character is certainly one of those strengths.
 
That said, describing Geralt as "one dimensional" is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on these forums. I can only assume that the OP either doesn't know anything about Geralt or doesn't know what "one dimensional" means XD.

Now i haven't read the books nor did i play the first witcher game.But if you could give some reasons why you think he is not a static one dimensional character i would appriciate it.
Also i would appreciate it if you could keep your tone a little less agressive, offensive.Post something productive instead.
Cheers

[ProphetOfDoom666]

The combat is terrible in DAI with no real strategy required, and the PC UI for DAI is a POS.

While i don't think it is terrible but there are certainly games that do a better job.So i agree and disagree.

[FKA_Servo]

What?

 

 

You do realize you are talking about Bioware right? the King of Tacked-on Romances.  Which Romances in DAI affect DAI's plot, apart from Solas'?

 

Compared to the Witcher's Romances, which are either 1) the culmination of a Romance that occurs over 3 games, or 2) a Romance that was defined in the novels and, after a fashion, was the core reason behind most of the main plot (i.e. Why Geralt has amnesia). and both of which affect  the ending of the game?

 

The trade off for those two very well-developed romances, though, is that you're limited to those two very well-developed romances.

 

I'd prefer having more choice. I also have no major objections to smoothing things over with headcanon if necessary. Playing someone like the Warden or the Inquisitor is bound to require this to some degree. I know some people hate that, but that just solidifies my suspicion that these games don't necessarily shoot for the same audience.

 

In the past, we've had multiple romances that are directly relevant to events in the game, both main storyline stuff (like Alistair, Morrigan, Anders) and larger scale side stuff (Leliana, Isabela). Bioware can clearly do this. Personally, I think that while the romance content in DAI isn't specifically tied into the main plot apart from Solas as you say, the substance of the content for everyone is more developed and meatier than it has been in past games. It shows they're getting better either way.

[ProphetOfDoom666]

What?
 
 
You do realize you are talking about Bioware right? the King of Tacked-on Romances.  Which Romances in DAI affect DAI's plot, apart from Solas'?
 
Compared to the Witcher's Romances, which are either 1) the culmination of a Romance that occurs over 3 games, or 2) a Romance that was defined in the novels and, after a fashion, was the core reason behind most of the main plot (i.e. Why Geralt has amnesia). and both of which affect  the ending of the game?

Did i say that DAI does a great job at the romances? No i did not.I did not romance any npcs nor did i care much becouse of what i said before.

[Super Drone]

 

Your last part is completely uncalled for, but that said... I wouldn't understate the power and appeal of a custom protagonist. It's something that Bioware's games will always have over TW. I'm not the only one here who thinks it's an important and valuable choice that counts for a lot.

 

It's painfully obvious it's the truth though. half a dozen "DAI is better than Witcher" threads, and all of it boils down to "DAI is better because I can be a girl/gay".

 

If that's your priority, that's fine. But own that. Understand that it's your priority, not a universal requirement or constant.

 

 

The vast majority of games, hell the vast majority of RPGs, have a set protaganist. It's mostly Bioware, Developer's trying to be Bioware, and MMOs that allow for custom protagainists.

[FKA_Servo]

It's painfully obvious it's the truth though. half a dozen "DAI is better than Witcher" threads, and all of it boils down to "DAI is better because I can be a girl/gay".

 

If that's your priority, that's fine. But own that. Understand that it's your priority, not a universal requirement or constant.

 

 

The vast majority of games, hell the vast majority of RPGs, have a set protaganist. It's mostly Bioware, Developer's trying to be Bioware, and MMOs that allow for custom protagainists.

 

Custom protagonists are a priority for me, for a ton of reasons. I will freely admit this. And I know it's mostly Bioware - that's one of the reasons I like them so much. To me, that seems like a good reason for them to keep on doing what they do, as opposed to adopting a set protagonist approach. I hope that doesn't end up being their takeaway from TW, because I'd be super upset.

 

I don't understand why we can't let the two games harmoniously coexist, seeing as they scratch different itches.

[Super Drone]

 

In the past, we've had multiple romances that are directly relevant to events in the game, both main storyline stuff (like Alistair, Morrigan, Anders) and larger scale side stuff (Leliana, Isabela). Bioware can clearly do this. Personally, I think that while the romance content in DAI isn't specifically tied into the main plot apart from Solas as you say, the substance of the content for everyone is more developed and meatier than it has been in past games. It shows they're getting better either way.

 

I came away with the opposite feeling. That the 2 Romances I've been through were shallow and had barely anything to them, and that the "variety" was not worth it (or not super varied, in the case of, say, choosing between Cassandra and Josephine.)

 

But then again, whenever people say they loved the Romances in DAI, they usually then go on to gush about Solas, so....

[ProphetOfDoom666]

I agree with tommyservo there..hard to understand why people can't value the strengths of both games and just go out and look for a reason to bash it and hate, spit poison on people who disagree with their opinion.Maybe i'am too old but those are some of the reason i avoid online multiplayer.To much anger.Some can get really hateful as if their life would depend on it.
Just relax people.

[Super Drone]

I agree with tommyservo there..hard to understand why people can't value the strengths of both games and just go out and look for a reason to bash it and hate, spit poison on people who disagree with their opinion.Maybe i'am too old but those are some of the reason i avoid online multiplayer.To much anger.Some can get really hateful as if their life would depend on it.
Just relax people.

 

Dude. you started this thread. A thread titled "Why DAI is a better RPG"

 

lol.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But then again, whenever people say they loved the Romances in DAI, they usually then go on to gush about Solas, so....

I can gush about Josephine if it will make you feel better. 

[ProphetOfDoom666]

Dude. you started this thread. A thread titled "Why DAI is a better RPG"
 
lol.

"Dude"...i think you don't understand what i was trying to say.I started the thread,so it seems.I never said that DAI is a better or worse game as whole.I said that i find what DAI offers me in terms of rpg gameplay comes closer to my personal preference than what witcher 3 offers me.I also said that both games have strong and weak points.

Also i'am german so english is not my first language.Might be a simple missunderstanding but try a little less agressive and reread my post.

No hate alright

[KBomb]

I certainly don't want Bioware to go the route of a singular character or omit party based game mechanics. It's interesting you bring that up, I haven't seen anyone ask for that, or have I seen anyone say that TW3 is a better rpg for not having those things. Could you point me to the thread where that was discussed? I'd like to read it.

I do think Bioware writes some great characters, I believe I have said so dozens of times, especially when discussing Cassandra and Dorian, but as for romances? I would trade romance in an rpg any day of the week if it meant we got the content and quest design TW3 presents to us. Any.day.

As for strategy, they both have it-- and they both can lack it. It depends on how you play. One can stroll through DAI without many tactics, if at all. Same can be said for TW3. However, if you choose to play either game like that, then you only have yourself to blame. DAI's strategy relies on tactics taken during battle, TW3 relies on tactics taken before battle and you utilize this even more by researching what/who you're fighting and acting according. It isn't for everyone, but then, what is?

As for Geralt. Meh. I love him and I think he has shown a lot of character growth between each game. In TW3, you see Geralt struggle with his human side vs. his mutant side. He wants to be a good father and he wants his happy ending, but he doesn't know if he can obtain it. He struggles with the poverty and war that he encounters. He struggles with questioning "Who is the real monsters that I should be killing? Are humans a bigger threat than anything I have faced as a witcher?" You see him question this several times, especially when he is expected to kill something sentient. Again, is Geralt for everyone? No, but what protag is? At least Geralt being a witcher is part of his development. I can count on my fingers how many times the race in DAI is brought up, let alone changes anything.

That being said, I am glad you love DAI so much. It's a good game. Nothing wrong with you wanting to keep it as it is.

I like DAI, too. I think it needs some improvement and I think it could learn a lot from TW3. Nothing is wrong with that, either.

[Super Drone]

I can gush about Josephine if it will make you feel better. 

 

Ugh. I'm a straight guy. Who normally plays straight male characters. I am likely going to make a gay male or a straight female for Dorian or Cullen before I roll a 2nd straight male for Josephine. That unappealing. 

 

I hope the straight ladies get the chaste/asexual romance with a filing clerk who hates violence next time.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ugh. I'm a straight guy. Who normally plays straight male characters. I am likely going to make a gay male or a straight female for Dorian or Cullen before I roll a 2nd straight male for Josephine. That unappealing. 

 

I hope the straight ladies get the chaste/asexual romance with a filing clerk who hates violence next time.

She isn't asexual/chaste. She can be if the player wants, but they can also have a sexual relationship if the player wants. You just don't get an actual sex scene. I hope there are more romances like her in future games, rather than the "have sex or break up" that previous games had. 

 

So there's another thing DAI has that TW3 doesn't: more options in the kinds of relationships you can have. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I'm pretty sure that 90% of the "TW3 vs DAI" debate is entirely pointless, because the goals of both games were different. As far as I know, the people who are fans of both appreciate both games for different reasons.

 

The Witcher is not going to let you create your own characters.

 

Dragon Age is not going to make you play a fixed protagonist (fuzzy grey "Hawke" area aside.)

 

The people seeking to definitively declare a victor in the debate are basically offended by the idea of someone preferring something that they don't like, as far as I can see.

[ProphetOfDoom666]

I certainly don't want Bioware to go the route of a singular character or omit party based game mechanics. It's interesting you bring that up, I haven't seen anyone ask for that, or have I seen anyone say that TW3 is a better rpg for not having those things. Could you point me to the thread where that was discussed? I'd like to read it.
I do think Bioware writes some great characters, I believe I have said so dozens of times, especially when discussing Cassandra and Dorian, but as for romances? I would trade romance in an rpg any day of the week if it meant we got the content and quest design TW3 presents to us. Any.day.
As for strategy, they both have it-- and they both can lack it. It depends on how you play. One can stroll through DAI without many tactics, if at all. Same can be said for TW3. However, if you choose to play either game like that, then you only have yourself to blame. DAI's strategy relies on tactics taken during battle, TW3 relies on tactics taken before battle and you utilize this even more by researching what/who you're fighting and acting according. It isn't for everyone, but then, what is?
As for Geralt. Meh. I love him and I think he has shown a lot of character growth between each game. In TW3, you see Geralt struggle with his human side vs. his mutant side. He wants to be a good father and he wants his happy ending, but he doesn't know if he can obtain it. He struggles with the poverty and war that he encounters. He struggles with questioning "Who is the real monsters that I should be killing? Are humans a bigger threat than anything I have faced as a witcher?" You see him question this several times, especially when he is expected to kill something sentient. Again, is Geralt for everyone? No, but what protag is? At least Geralt being a witcher is part of his development. I can count on my fingers how many times the race in DAI is brought up, let alone changes anything.
That being said, I am glad you love DAI so much. It's a good game. Nothing wrong with you wanting to keep it as it is.
I like DAI, too. I think it needs some improvement and I think it could learn a lot from TW3. Nothing is wrong with that, either.

I never said that people want a single fixed character.I said that i think having a costumizable character is a aspect that i think a rpg should have.But that is personal perference of course.

[Super Drone]

She isn't asexual/chaste. She can be if the player wants, but they can also have a sexual relationship if the player wants. You just don't get an actual sex scene. I hope there are more romances like her in future games, rather than the "have sex or break up" that previous games had. 

 

So there's another thing DAI has that TW3 doesn't: more options in the kinds of relationships you can have. 

 

I hear Dorian's Romance can be chaste. you can turn down the sex scene and still be in the romance. Seems like a better option than not having one at all and saying "Well you can headcanon it".

 

Not the lack of a sex scene is the sole reason Josephine is not appealing. It's just the cherry on top of the disappointing sundae.