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[Batarian Master Race]

This is the only possibility:

 

Or the Virmire Survivor. Or Jack.

[The Night Haunter]

I wouldn't call throwing everything away "respecting player choice". 

Well it is better than most of the alternatives, which would actually be throwing away player choice. This way they don't throw anything away, they just leave all future adventures up to your imagination. Nothing in ME3 was invalidated by this design choice. (Depending on the final product of course, we need to see what they actually did.)

[dreamgazer]

I wouldn't call throwing everything away "respecting player choice".

I wouldn't call what they're doing "throwing everything away", either. It still exists, in a preserved state.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well it is better than most of the alternatives, which would actually be throwing away player choice. This way they don't throw anything away, they just leave all future adventures up to your imagination. Nothing in ME3 was invalidated by this design choice. (Depending on the final product of course, we need to see what they actually did.)

We'll have to agree to disagree. Abandoning everything is one of the worst things they could have done in my opinion. This is a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. 

 

I wouldn't call what they're doing "throwing everything away", either. It still exists, in a preserved state.

Really? 

 

Will there be familiar locations? No

Will there be familiar characters? No(other than possibly minor characters who can't die, but that's unlikely)

Will the choices have any impact? No

etc

 

Sure looks like everything was thrown away to me. 

[Legendary Hero]

Again it is impossible.  Mass Effect is not on Xbone or PS4 so there is no save file to check.

Backwards compatibility is coming to Xbox One, and Profile Information is still stored on Xbox One I think, thus it is possible (I think).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Or the Virmire Survivor. Or Jack.

 

Nope. Can't be Jack because of femShep. Can't be the VS either because of femShep. VS could be Ashley. Has to be Liara's kid.

 

Liara could have died in < 0.1% play throughs so those can get ignored.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Backwards compatibility is coming to Xbox One, and Profile Information is still stored on Xbox One I think, thus it is possible (I think).

They wouldn't prioritize one console over another with this. 

 

*thinks back on them screwing over Xbox 360 and PS3 owning Bioware fans with DAi DLC* 

 

I take it back, they might. 

[Legendary Hero]

Very much dislike. No offense. Hybrids just don't make sense in the story, and if they don't want to talk about what happened after me3, they wouldn't do well to have people related to Shepard.
Also, the game may take place before the reaper war ended. Or sort of.

We could have left for andromeda before the tuchunka missions so no big choice happened, so bioware doesn't have to worry about it. It may take place in the future because cyrogenics. That way the ship can check out planets while we sleep to preserve energy.

I'm pretty sure the next Mass Effect title is set in the future. They are not able to achieve the trip to Andromeda within the time the Mass Effect trilogy was occurring (I think), this would most likely collide with the (Spoiler in blue)                                                           

 

Destroy Reapers ending

[dreamgazer]

Really? 
 
Will there be familiar locations? No
Will there be familiar characters? No(other than possibly minor characters who can't die)
Will the choices have any impact? No
etc
 
Sure looks like everything was thrown away to me.

Will there be familiar species? Yes. "Familiar faces", and that krogan.
Will there be familiar tech? Yes. We've already seen an omni-blade in action.
Will there be familiar organizational aspects? Yes. N7 already seen.

Doesn't look like everything was thrown away to me. And that's from a two-minute teaser.

[Legendary Hero]

Will there be familiar species? Yes. "Familiar faces", and that krogan.
Will there be familiar tech? Yes. We've already seem an omni-blade in action.
Will there be familiar organizational aspects? Yes. N7 already seen.

Doesn't look like everything was thrown away to me. And that's from a two-minute teaser.

I think by "Familiar faces" He meant Familiar Characters from previous Titles, but it might be too soon to say if any Characters related to the Original Mass Effect series will appear in Mass Effect: Andromeda

[Malanek]

Will there be familiar species? Yes. "Familiar faces", and that krogan.
Will there be familiar tech? Yes. We've already seem an omni-blade in action.
Will there be familiar organizational aspects? Yes. N7 already seen.

Doesn't look like everything was thrown away to me. And that's from a two-minute teaser.

You were discussing player choice and they're very unlikely to touch on player choice. If they do it will almost certainly be superficial. That's what they are throwing away. I just find the argument "we will not canonize an ending because we respect player choice" to be very weak and does much more harm than good.

[dreamgazer]

You were discussing player choice and they're very unlikely to touch on player choice. If they do it will almost certainly be superficial. That's what they are throwing away. I just find the argument "we will not canonize an ending because we respect player choice" to be very weak and does much more harm than good.

Which disrespects player choice more: the process of canonizing and scrapping, or avoiding and preserving everything?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Which disrespects player choice more: the process of canonizing and scrapping, or avoiding and preserving everything?

Avoiding everything. Nobody has their choices impact future games then. 

[Han Shot First]

Still a bad idea.

 

There are no such thing as hybrids in the lore, and there shouldn't be. Even Asari aren't an exception, as their offspring are 100% Asari and owe none of their genetic make up to the 'father.' Species that aren't closely related to one another shouldn't be able to sexually reproduce. It is biologically impossible.

 

Species that are able to produce hybrids on Earth, like lions and tigers for example, are able to do so only because they share a relatively recent common ancestor, and as such share a lot of the same genetics. That wouldn't be the case with species that evolved on two entirely separate worlds.

 

As for Shepard having a descendant, there are a few problems with that...

 

The first is that many versions of Shepard shouldn't have any descendants. Some people may have had a homosexual Shepard, a Shepard that romanced once of the alien LIs, or may have rolled with a forever alone character. None of those should have any descendants.

 

The other issue is that it would just make the universe seem like a very small place, if you keep having your heroes come from the same bloodline. Why would the savior always need to come from a single family? It also crosses a bit too close to the fantasy trope of having Chosen One heroes. 

[Legendary Hero]

 

 

I still think the original idea of this thread is good.

[Legendary Hero]

Still a bad idea.

 

There are no such thing as hybrids in the lore, and there shouldn't be. Even Asari aren't an exception, as their offspring are 100% Asari and owe none of their genetic make up to the 'father.' Species that aren't closely related to one another shouldn't be able to sexually reproduce. It is biologically impossible.

 

Species that are able to produce hybrids on Earth, like lions and tigers for example, are able to do so only because they share a relatively recent common ancestor, and as such share a lot of the same genetics. That wouldn't be the case with species that evolved on two entirely separate worlds.

 

As for Shepard having a descendant, there are a few problems with that...

 

The first is that many versions of Shepard shouldn't have any descendants. Some people may have had a homosexual Shepard, a Shepard that romanced once of the alien LIs, or may have rolled with a forever alone character. None of those should have any descendants.

 

The other issue is that it would just make the universe seem like a very small place, if you keep having your heroes come from the same bloodline. Why would the savior always need to come from a single family? It also crosses a bit too close to the fantasy trope of having Chosen One heroes. 

As I have said, it would be a choice whether or not the player wants to be a Descendant of Shepard or not. And that would be only if Shepard had a Long term relationship with a species that he could reproduce with, assuming my idea of Cerberus producing alien genes in Shepard and stimulating them in the game to become active is possible, he might have been able to reproduce with alien life forms.

[dreamgazer]

Avoiding everything. Nobody has their choices impact future games then.

Canonizing choices technically makes it so their choices didn't impact future games, either. The choice is no longer a choice.

Sorry, but outright canonizing paths is far more disrespectful, both to those abandoned and those that are chosen.

Whether that disrespect is worth caring about is another matter altogether.

[Andrew Lucas]

Miranda is infertile so no to that as well.

Is that the woman who brought Shepard back from the dead? Oh, right.

Either way, it's a bad idea, let's just move on and let Shep's legacy in peace.

[Malanek]

Which disrespects player choice more: the process of canonizing and scrapping, or avoiding and preserving everything?

I strongly believe avoiding everything is worse. Canonizing allows the writers to explore what happens next to the most interesting aspects in the story. Avoiding means nothing can ever be touched again.

 

Taking a default set of choices as the basis to write the next story is not saying that that is what happened or that was best. It is saying, if that is what happened then this is what happens next. It is exploring the future of one possibility while all other possibilities still exist in different timelines.

 

The other alternative you didn't mention is trying to write a story that ties them all together. I think this has proven equally bad as well. All the players choices are rendered meaningless as they have proved to have nothing more than superficial consequences.

 

On this topic though, I'm not saying Shep should be canonized to have a baby with Liara. That would be pointless abuse of the concept. The only things that should be canonized are the ending (destroy, control or synthesis), genophage result, and geth/quarian outcome. Everything else could be left ambiguous.

[BabyPuncher]

BioWare has run with far worse ideas.

[AlexiaRevan]

I really though ME:A would be based on the crappy ending they forced us to 'accept'...

 

But apparently they rather use the trick of 'let's advance Time..and Tadam! disaster avoided!' ...

 

descandant of shepard . Only Liara would had kids with my Shepard . And I wouldn't wish for them to pick up a Blaster and follow in Mommie footsetp and save a Lousy galaxie and bureaucrat . 

[Batarian Master Race]

 

 

I still think the original idea of this thread is good.

That's because it was your idea.

[Legendary Hero]

Remember, it's not just whether or not the idea of this thread is possible (Which I still believe it is) It's also about whether this would open up awesome new possibilities in the story mode of the next game. Though the idea of Shepard's Descendant following in his footsteps is sounding less and less appealing to me, I believe the story could still be different than the Mass Effect trilogy's while having a playable Relative of Shepard's in the video game. And I think this would open up way more possibilities for Character Development and plot in the game.

[Legendary Hero]

That's because it was your idea.

lol, While what you said is true, I was just telling people that I hadn't changed my mind about the original idea of this Thread.

[Iakus]

Well, I had to re-post this idea.

 

Pretty much I'm saying it would be cool if there were unlockable hybrid races to play as in Mass Effect: Andromeda depending on what long term relationships you had in the Mass Effect game trilogy. For instance you could play as an Asari if you had a relationship with Liara or Samara in the Mass Effect games, but only if one's character survived the ending of the third game.

 

A cool secret unlockable Race would be if you overheard tali and garrus talking to eachother implying they are in a relationship.

 

 

EDIT: There would be a choice whether or not to be a descendant of Shepard in the game.

 

 

Good Idea or no?

Bad idea.

 

The fewer connections to the old trilogy, even optional ones, the better.