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[Dai Grepher]

I was thinking about the cure not long ago and how if no one's found a true cure in over a thousand years, then there likely isn't one. "Nihil novi sub sole," after all. If that's the case, then this would be a good alternative, I think.  Hope my Hero of Ferelden learns of that before his and his companions' ~30 years are up!

 

I'm sure the Wardens do search for a cure, as they do with all possible ways to fight the taint. It's just they haven't found one. Avernus is the only one who has come close, and his isn't really a cure. It's more or less just a higher form of mastering the taint.

 

The lead that the Hero is following in the west is probably some ancient magic the elves once encountered that works to cleanse the body of all sickness, aliment, and curses. A cure all.

[Dai Grepher]

 

Strange that GW children are completely unaffected by the taint of one of the parents,someone know why?

Is removed but why?

 

 

At first I thought it might be that the sperm or egg was not infected with the taint, and when they do get infected they stop functioning as they should, thus no baby in that case. But Morrigan's ritual requires sperm of a Warden who recently did the Joining. So I would think the sperm would need to carry the taint for the rite to work. If that's the case, then the tainted sperm would also carry the Warden resistance. When combined with a female's egg (or vice versa, in theory) the newly created child should be able to dilute the taint enough to not inherit it. Or the taint is changed at the chemical level enough to where it does not function to corrupt the child. It's unknown if this child will be resistant to the taint or not.

[Dai Grepher]

 

 the entire meaning of being a GW

(the sacrifice to willingly accept the corruption) would be diminished if the writers will introduce a way to cure the calling.

 

 

They have already introduced a way to remove the taint (Fiona), and a way to extend one's life for ages (Avernus), and they've introduced the prospect of a cure. The one seeking that cure is the greatest Warden who has ever lived. So I don't think anyone is concerned about the meaning of the Wardens being diminished, and I agree. If burning innocent people to death in their own homes to prevent the taint from spreading is part of what it means to be a Warden, then how can it possibly be diminished by finding a cure?

[Statare]

Prior to DA:I it was known the Blight affected the soil. The Dwarves had their story found in the Legion of the Dead tomb that certain things corrupt the Stone, we knew Blighted Land could not grow food, and that water could be Tainted and infect entire cities. Then Bianca comes along and throws some vague terms and peaces out. Helpful.

 

But I would assume there is a difference between being a carrier for the Blight (land, glass, material, Eluvian Shards), and being truly corrupted/mutated by the Blight (Bereskarn, Ghouls). One can be cleansed (with magical soap), and one would have to be cured (with magical anti-biotics that Thedas has not discovered). True infection with the Blight causes mutation from a living thing's original state (like Lyrium to Red Lyrium) while simply carrying the Blight does not necessarily change the essence of the object (the Eluvian still sort of worked, it was just became unsafe). But I'd say another likely possibility is that the Eluvian did have Lyrium components, and so was partially "alive" and the Blight had to be cleansed from that..... but I dunno. That would mean our mana potions in DA:O could be corrupted and that Allistair's Templar blood would probably turn into Red Templar blood after he did the joining so I have no idea.

[Dai Grepher]

 

I've often wondered how, then, the flower in DAO that you get for Dog worked? He's being cured of drinking too much darkspawn blood. Presumably he's tainted. If the flower just did something simple like make him throw up, I doubt that would have been in time to remove the taint. Did that kennelmaster have the cure for the blight? Or a method to effectively make a dog a grey warden? lol

 

 

It probably works only on a mabari's physiology. It might attack the taint in the mabari's body, or it might up the mabari's immune system to deal with the taint. Like how a dragon's immune system will make a cyst grow around tainted flesh to isolate it from the rest of the body. It might also work to contain the taint within the medicine, which is then washed out of the mabari's system. But in that case it won't prevent the mabari from being infected again.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

But there would be no drama.

 

Again, the Joining itself and all the years risking one's life is dramatic enough. Killing oneself isn't the only kind of drama out there.

 

Only the most disgraced people that are near to their death or in a terrible situation become GW like the Warden of DAO (except the carta dwarf) or Loghain(my sacrifice he was already dead at that point) ,they are spared from their fate for another death sentence.

To become GW outside of a blight or massive darkspawn attack (Architect) is the only  imho  waste of lifes and AD blood.

 

You say that like it's a rule. Not every Warden is a criminal. They recruit skilled volunteers and good, honorable people all the time. We've seen this. They don't have to conscript all the time, and they rarely have the need to recruit infected people. I'd bet that most people who get infected are farmers and the like, who have no combat skill; thus, they'd be unfortunately useless to the Wardens. It's not a cure (or a kindness/mercy), but a calling, as Stroud says.

 

Respectfully, as for those who were conscripted and avoided some sort of criminal punishment, I think potentially dying in the Joining, putting your entire past behind you to be who the Wardens believed you could be, and risking your life for thirty years is enough atonement or "punishment" that they'd earn some sort of retirement and a less grim end. For criminals, think of it as a court sentence: "You either die in the Joining (death sentence), or you serve ~30 years "manual labor." If the person doesn't change at all and become better, fit for society, then simply don't cure that person. Just my opinion, though.

[MisterJB]

 

Stand back, the Warden's got it.

Here, hold his beer.

[myahele]

Fiona was cured of the Blight , but no one really knows how it happened .

 

I think being pregnant with Alistair might have been a factor, atleast.

 

For one thing, dragons are resistant to Taint, Theirin blood has Great Dragon blood and great dragon >> high dragons

[thats1evildude]

Why do people still debate this? The Architect's amulet sped up the corruption in the Wardens, and when it was removed, the taint disappeared from her body. The residual magic even prevents her from being tainted ever again.

[Aren]

Why do people still debate this? The Architect's amulet sped up the corruption in the Wardens, and when it was removed, the taint disappeared from her body. The residual magic even prevents her from being tainted ever again.

The architect is a mess, every time he attempt to do something,he obtain the exact opposite result.

-Wish to awake the old god? Boom Archdemon

-Wish to accelerate the taint to kill the Grey wardens and Fiona? Boom,Fiona got cured

-Wish to create intelligent darkspawn with an awakened Broodmother? Boom, insane children were created.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

The architect is a mess, every time he attempt to do something,he obtain the exact opposite result.

-Wish to awake the old god? Boom Archdemon

-Wish to accelerate the taint to kill the Grey wardens and Fiona? Boom,Fiona got cured

-Wish to create intelligent darkspawn with an awakened Broodmother? Boom, insane children were created.

 

I, for one, certainly don't regret killing him one bit. Didn't even give him a chance to explain himself, lol.

 

Can't trust a darkspawn, much less one who was an ancient magister. Some of the awakened darkspawn (disciples) seem decent enough sorts, though, especially if they're working with the Grey Wardens even after the Warden-Commander kills the idiot who awakened them.

[Dai Grepher]

I didn't know if he was an ancient magister at the time, but my Hero suspected that he could have been one based on his appearance, cognizance, and magical ability. He asked him questions, because that's just how my Hero is, but in the end he came to the same conclusion. Awakened darkspawn are definately smarter than normal darkspawn, but they are still insane compared to people. The Architect was also insane compared to people, and he had to be slain just like any other darkspawn.

 

The Messenger too, even though he came to help and all that, and while my Hero could appreciate the sentiment, killed him too. That's just the way it is. And sentient darkspawn are a greater threat anyway.

 

The only thing I worry about is if BioWare will nullify the choice to slay the Architect by reviving him like they did with Corypheus in Legacy.

[leaguer of one]

From the Last Flight:

"There was, as far as Isseya knew, no way to destroy the darkspawn taint in a living creature. It grew and spread like a cancer, and she had never heard of a cure. There was only the Joining and that was only a delay."

Removing the taint from a nonliving object required a great deal of power. I imagine curing the living of the taint is nearly impossible.

First of all, we already have a living person  who had the taint taken out from them.

[dragonflight288]

First of all, we already have a living person  who had the taint taken out from them.

 

By a darkspawn, ironically.

 

And Merril was able to cleanse an eluvian shard of the taint. 

 

True, the shard is vastly different from a living being, but it serves as a proof of concept. 

[Aren]

I, for one, certainly don't regret killing him one bit. Didn't even give him a chance to explain himself, lol.

 

Can't trust a darkspawn, much less one who was an ancient magister. Some of the awakened darkspawn (disciples) seem decent enough sorts, though, especially if they're working with the Grey Wardens even after the Warden-Commander kills the idiot who awakened them.

He doesn't even care about the darkspawn,he is not one of them.

Actually i do believe that he searched this dragon of beauty on purpose,his name is not an accident because he was his acolyte

 For the Dragon of beauty=The Architect

[Aren]

 

The only thing I worry about is if BioWare will nullify the choice to slay the Architect by reviving him like they did with Corypheus in Legacy.

Is not nullifed 

Seranni was there,Seranni was still alive an host for the Architect,there is even his journal in which she talk about her,and the experiment that he is conducting on her,actually i believe that a part of his soul was in seranni,Seranni only show herself if you bring Velanna for the ending.

[Dai Grepher]

But that's what I mean by nullified, he would still be alive even if you slayed him. Which means there was no point in slaying him.

[Dabrikishaw]

I like Merril, but she's the last person I expect to see have any tangible way of curing the Taint. Morrigan and the Architect are the only characters with the plot weight to do that.

[BMcDill]

Fiona was cured of the Blight , but no one really knows how it happened .

She became pregnant by King Merik with Alister who (if what I read here is right) had dragon blood, so Alister has dragon blood and that blood cured the taint, removed it from her, plus, big +, she could not be re-tainted.

 

Notice Alister isn’t much of a Gray Warden anymore, not sure if he ever really was.  Maybe, when he was young, but over time is natural immunity slowly killed/removed the taint.

[ShadowLordXII]

I think being pregnant with Alistair might have been a factor, atleast.

 

For one thing, dragons are resistant to Taint, Theirin blood has Great Dragon blood and great dragon >> high dragons

 

Where is it said/shown that dragons are resistant to the taint?

 

Origins/Awakening has multiple appearances of dragons corrupted and controlled by the darkspawn taint. Not to mention the Red Lyrium Dragon in Inquisition.

 

Or is this resistance exclusive to Great Dragons?

[Heyokah]

Nothing resists the taint as we all have one.

 

Perhaps Great Dragons do not but I have yet to have the opportunity to observe one closely.  However, I would venture to guess that there is a bit of flesh that divides their reproductive organs from any orifice that expels feces.

 

3 threads about the taint...my oh my.

[ShadowLordXII]

Nothing resists the taint as we all have one.

 

Perhaps Great Dragons do not but I have yet to have the opportunity to observe one closely.  However, I would venture to guess that there is a bit of flesh that divides their reproductive organs from any orifice that expels feces.

 

3 threads about the taint...my oh my.

 

Not that taint. The one that makes red lyrium and created the dark side.

[Heyokah]

Not that taint. The one that makes red lyrium and created the dark side.

 

To be fair, red lyrium or whatever the hipsters are calling it these days is a symptom of a STD, and saying that your "dark side" created the taint is pure folly.  We can argue which came first the chicken or the egg (the egg of course) but I truly believe that the taint predates the dark side.  This is my opinion and I do not wish to venture into religious discourse but biologically the taint would form well before there would be any presence of a "dark side".

 

That is science...and 30 Helens agree that tatoo's aren't for everyone. 

[Reznore57]

Where is it said/shown that dragons are resistant to the taint?

 

Origins/Awakening has multiple appearances of dragons corrupted and controlled by the darkspawn taint. Not to mention the Red Lyrium Dragon in Inquisition.

 

Or is this resistance exclusive to Great Dragons?

 

In Inquisition , you have a war table mission with the orlesian scholar studying dragons in the Western Approach.

Anyway I don't remember all the details but if he gets a dragon carcass , he noticed the creature had the Blight but wasn't corrupted.Something kept the disease from spreading.

It's more a resistance than a total immunity.

 

Also when you think about it , one of the ingredient for the Joining is Archdemon's blood .

It might be the thing keeping the Blight from spreading for a couple of decades.

 

Spoiler

Excerpt of Frederic of Serault's Report:

You cannot imagine the wealth of knowledge in Nevarra. I could spend years reading the physical descriptions of dragons alone. I shall have to spend more time here. For the moment, however, I've discovered that dragonslayers of the past believed dragons to be unusually resistant to the blight. In fact, some believed that dragon physiology was capable of stemming the spread of the infection, though this was a mere hypothesis and never fully explored. Did you know? I sat on a chair made entirely of bleached dragonbone. It was magnificent, if not very comfortable.

Excerpt of Frederic of Serault's Report:

Within the carcass of the Abyssal High Dragon, we found cysts of hardened flesh. Sister Brigette, a scholar from Nevarra, said she had seen, once or twice, similar nodules in other beasts. To protect itself, the body grew a barrier around a foreign object that could not be removed.

Naturally, of course, we cut into the cyst. The flesh within was blighted. We immediately examined all other cysts found in the other dragon carcasses. Each time, we found the blight. The only conclusion we can draw is that dragons can stem the spread of the blight within their own bodies. They cannot do this indefinitely, as the existence of Corypheus's dragon suggests, but they are more resistant than other creatures.

 
Excerpt of Frederic of Serault's report:

We found a clutch of intact dragon eggs, which are currently incubating in Skyhold. For study purposes only, of course. How dangerous can baby dragons be? We found little else. From eyewitness reports, the adult dragons never ventured close to where the red lyrium grows, even though they could easily have done so. I can only conclude that the creatures instinctively understand that red lyrium poses a threat.

[Toasted Llama]

I think the way (King) Alistair will die (if ever noted/written down in the codex in the next game) is going to give us a good idea whether or not the Theirins (and thus Dragons, at least to a certain degree) were truly resistant to the taint.

 

Unless the devs are going to troll the **** out of us and get the last Theirin assassinated or he does something stupid and dies by clumsiness. In which case we'll never know.

 

Either way I'm betting my money on the idea that dragons can have the taint but not be infected. I think the Archdemons only get infected because they're exposed to soooo muuuch taint continuosly for such long periods of time that their body can't isolate the taint from the rest of their body.