Most of these posts are straying way off the point, if I see another post saying "We can't do this because we would have to cover every single race on the planet." I'm going to hide or delete it. It's a simple request not a catalyst for argument.
I'm editing the main post.
No one is stopping you from trying to make an Native-American Shepard. But don't expect BioWare to cater to your needs and add a Native-American preset when it doesn't actually fit the lore.
It does fit the lore, Our Shepard is supposed to be whatever race we want him to be. I managed to make a French Shepard, he looks normal. This is a request, BioWare can see it and use it or just leave it alone.
Star Trek managed to have a Native American in their television series "Star Trek: Voyager" and it took place way in the future.
Gears of War also had Tai.
One of my posts double posted somehow.
The human race will be so much less diverse by the time this series takes place. Gingers and blue eyes will be hard enough to find, let alone a full-blooded Native American.
I certainly hope not. No diversity = death of life.
Besides it is not about race but about culture. The loss of culture in fact to get to a mono culture. Managing numerous cultures is very difficult but getting every one to want to adopt the same culture then the herd is much easyer to manipulate/controll.
I hope all races and cultures survive to thrive in abundance and to be vastly different from each other and never see the day of a programmed robot.
stictly imo here but more options for presets can't be a bad thing, one they help people like me who are not the greatest with making faical structures on their own in CCs and to I don't see any harm in giving more options for CC. I mean why would the character creator be something you want to limit? I would strongly like a more diverse CC with more diverse pretests in general.
I think it's a great idea to add pre-sets that help people make characters that look like them, especially for those characters that aren't traditionally represented in video games. No skin off anyone's nose to have a few less white pre-sets anyway.
I think it's a great idea to add pre-sets that help people make characters that look like them, especially for those characters that aren't traditionally represented in video games.
That's another thing I'd like to see -- support for using a camera (webcam, PS4 camera, Kinect, whatever) to make a character actually look like the player, for those (like me) who want that. Let it measure bone structure and shape of eyes and all sorts of other things and try to build that into a model.
(It'd never be able to get my hair right, though.)
That's another thing I'd like to see -- support for using a camera (webcam, PS4 camera, Kinect, whatever) to make a character actually look like the player, for those (like me) who want that. Let it measure bone structure and shape of eyes and all sorts of other things and try to build that into a model.
(It'd never be able to get my hair right, though.)
This is already made for Xbox One Kinect for EA Sports UFC (Of course) I think.
I'm all for it. I don't find it likely, but hey great if they do. I've always imported so I don't know what the character creators were like in 2 and 3, but there was only one whiteish option and that was supposed to cover every white ethnicities with like 4 slider groupings. So chances are they will have a Hispanic one and have sliders that are supposed to cover your needs, but wont. I just started ME1 over again today and getting something of what looks like Germanic origin was hard and the results were not that satisfactory. I was somewhat happy with how my last character ported over into ME2 and 3. So I get the issue, but given how few games let me make a character look like what I am shooting for my hopes are not up for my preferences. They did initially have at least the idea that all races would sort of blend out in the future, which is somewhat logical. But they never really stuck with it, so her have tons of specific options covering tons of ethnicities.
Honestly I couldn't care one way or the other. If Bioware does add a NA preset they should then add a preset for a dozen other minorities, otherwise people will then complain about that. I think what they really need is just a good character creator so you can make whatever character you want.
No. This isn't about what Bioware has done in the past.
I didn't say that they did. Only that the class system currently in place can be used to solve the problem. With my solution all ethnicities are possible because we are all one of those options.
Wait, in ME different classes have different racial presets? This is news to me. Which games? All of them? Just ME3?
Wait, in ME different classes have different racial presets? This is news to me. Which games? All of them? Just ME3?
Well I never made a new character in ME3, but in ME1 and 2 you picked your look first then your class, so he is spouting random nonsense as far as I can tell.
Well I never made a new character in ME3, but in ME1 and 2 you picked your look first then your class, so he is spouting random nonsense as far as I can tell.
I can vouch for this. In ME3, they ask for your looks before they ask you to set your class. I never saw any pre-set faces dependent on class in the entire series, which I've been going through (slowly, due to some computer weirdness) over the last month. I think that the person is confused.
What are you talking about? The Japanese have a gigantic population. Native Americans are all over america, Inuits are all over in Canada and Alaska. Why even post something like this?
Yeah. No they aren't. I don't know what world you live in, but the highest native population doesn't live in America or Canada. They're mostly in South America, and that's just because we haven't gotten to all of them yet. It's an extreme minority today, making up less than 2% of the total population in the US. Over half of them are mixed with other races. Japan's "huge population" has been sharply declining for years, and there mixing with outsiders is also to be expected.
It does fit the lore, Our Shepard is supposed to be whatever race we want him to be. I managed to make a French Shepard, he looks normal. This is a request, BioWare can see it and use it or just leave it alone.
Star Trek managed to have a Native American in their television series "Star Trek: Voyager" and it took place way in the future.
Gears of War also had Tai.
No it doesn't fit the lore. The lore of ME specifically states that the human races started to blend together over the years and most of the minority races got fully miscegenated to the point that there are no longer pure-bred humans of those races in the 22nd/23th century.
I don't care what ST: Voyager or Gears of War did, we're talking about the ME lore and this is what the ME lore states.
No it doesn't fit the lore. The lore of ME specifically states that the human races started to blend together over the years and most of the minority races got fully miscegenated to the point that there are no longer pure-bred humans of those races in the 22nd/23th century.
I don't care what ST: Voyager or Gears of War did, we're talking about the ME lore and this is what the ME lore states.
that might be a reason to not include a preset, but there's no reason the CC couldn't be more variable
They will have your default male/female character and a few racial presets. What they will be, who knows.
I think it's reasonable to ask for a Native American preset in the CC (and arguing that it would be impossible because they'd need a preset for every tribe of Native Americans is ridiculous. That would be like saying you need an individual preset for French, German, Danish, Swedish, Irish, etc..). Seriously, the game wouldn't suffer if instead of all the extra variations of Caucasian, they made a Hispanic/Latino/Spanish, Native American, White/Caucasion, Black/African American, Asian, South Asian, and Pacific Islander preset.
Also, some of you (I WON'T SAY WHO) need to go back and read up on biology, because you don't seem to have a very good grasp of genetics. I'm no expert, but from what I know they're a lot more complicated than just 'dominant genes win out'. For example, black haired, brown eyed parents can have blonde haired, blue eyed babies if they both have ancestors with blonde hair and blue eyes. A recessive allele can be propagated through any number of generations without observing the phenotype, depending on a number of factors. So even IF the human race somehow lost ethnicity in the future through inter-racial marrying (yes, lore-wise that's been established, but that doesn't mean it's realistic) it's improbable that recessive genes would be completely wiped out.
Honestly I couldn't care one way or the other. If Bioware does add a NA preset they should then add a preset for a dozen other minorities, otherwise people will then complain about that. I think what they really need is just a good character creator so you can make whatever character you want.
I already had an answer to this.
Unless they add super dynamic face sliders or something, which they might not, they will have to make Presets as they have done for some Races, that will cover the shape of other Races. There is no Race that covers the pre-british Western World, but for pretty much the rest of the world, there are Presets that cover those in many games. I have said this multiple times.
I also said that people have already expressed the view in this post that I quoted multiple times, I seriously do not want to see it again.
Once again, I'm in the camp of, "Hey, why not?" I'm not going to pick apart biology or genetics in a story where the main hero came back to life. I mean, if we're going to pick apart the possibility of some ethnic groups not having a CC face pre-set due to genetics, we've got a lot more to discuss.
It's a cool idea, and one that I support. Since I know that this game is going to be on FB just like DA:I was, this would be a nicely subtle way to show off the skin-tone rendering capabilities in FB. I'm not interested in getting into whatever debate against the idea is going on now, just adding my support. 
No it doesn't fit the lore. The lore of ME specifically states that the human races started to blend together over the years and most of the minority races got fully miscegenated to the point that there are no longer pure-bred humans of those races in the 22nd/23th century.
I don't care what ST: Voyager or Gears of War did, we're talking about the ME lore and this is what the ME lore states.
ME1 alone had a racially diverse cast. Anyone can tell that Bioware was going for the cosmopolitan/United Colors of Benetton future, like Star Trek.
It has nothing to do with biology, and a lot more to do with the world BioWare set up for Mass Effect. If BioWare wants no indigenous Americans, that's their business. That's why not.
ME1 alone had a racially diverse cast. Anyone can tell that Bioware was going for the cosmopolitan/United Colors of Benetton future, like Star Trek.
Except for all the evidence to the contrary. Skin tone =/= racial diversity.
ME1 alone had a racially diverse cast. Anyone can tell that Bioware was going for the cosmopolitan/United Colors of Benetton future, like Star Trek.
I think that's the biggest counter. I have no stake in this fight one way or another, but we do get characters like Anderson, Udina, and Jacob Taylor. So the idea of avoiding a preset Native American when Bioware places different character types front and center is questionable.
May I see this Codex entry or WoG? I'd like to see this for myself. Not to argue, just for curiosity sake.
If it's from a Codex, then it could be intentionally wrong. This has happened before in ME, by design. It's also a science-fantasy that has played fast and loose with it's rules before in a much bigger way. I don't think something as pretty minor as having a NA preset face is stretching things too thin. I still don't see a reason as to why not.
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