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[Sigma Tauri]

Except for all the evidence to the contrary. Skin tone =/= racial diversity. 

 

Uh what?

 

I'm awestruck that someone will argue against the obvious with small details.

[Br3admax]

Uh what?

 

I'm awestruck that someone will argue against the obvious with small details.

If you actually went back through this thread, which really isn't that hard to do, you'd see the multiple sources citing BioWare saying many ethnic groups in ME have blended together to form what we currently have. A bunch of blobs. The most varied thing about the cast at this point is skin color, and the variations are minimal. That's not a cosmopolitan feel like Star Trek. BioWare wasn't going for that effect either. 

[Cyonan]

Once again, I'm in the camp of, "Hey, why not?"  I'm not going to pick apart biology or genetics in a story where the main hero came back to life.  I mean, if we're going to pick apart the possibility of some ethnic groups not having a CC face pre-set due to genetics, we've got a lot more to discuss.  

 

It's a cool idea, and one that I support.  Since I know that this game is going to be on FB just like DA:I was, this would be a nicely subtle way to show off the skin-tone rendering capabilities in FB. I'm not interested in getting into whatever debate against the idea is going on now, just adding my support.  

 

Yeah, in Mass Effect adding in a more racially diverse CC is extremely minor as far as any potentially lore breaking things go.

 

Although I would make the point that we should be asking for pretty much all major races of Human to be a preset if this is the route we're going rather than just one.

 

If for some reason they can't/won't include one for each race, then it comes down to "why should the one you want be included over the one somebody else wants?" and the OP needs to convince people of that rather than that it would be nice to have a more racially diverse CC.

[Sigma Tauri]

If you actually went back through this thread, which really isn't that hard to do, you'd see the multiple sources citing BioWare saying many ethnic groups in ME have blended together to form what we currently have. A bunch of blobs. The most varied thing about the cast at this point is skin color, and the variations are minimal. That's not a cosmopolitan feel like Star Trek. BioWare wasn't going for that effect either. 

 

LMAO!

 

I don't know what to say or why there's even an argument. That's pretty pedantic.

 

I tend to forget I'm in the BSN.

[Br3admax]

LMAO!

 

I don't know what to say or why there's even an argument. That's pretty pedantic.

 

I tend to forget I'm in the BSN.

Because it's the point of this thread? Because forums are for discussion? If you don't have anything to say in rebuttal, and I mean actual evidence here, you could always just stop posting. As much as my feelings will be hurt, I'll move on. 

 

Or shrug it off and dodge as before. That always works too. 

[Legendary Hero]

that might be a reason to not include a preset, but there's no reason the CC couldn't be more variable

That is not a reason not to include a preset, it is not against the lore at all as the Player Character is supposed to be able to be unique and is unique in many ways, as are other characters such as Zaeed and Kasumi.

[Legendary Hero]

Because it's the point of this thread? Because forums are for discussion? If you don't have anything to say in rebuttal, and I mean actual evidence here, you could always just stop posting. As much as my feelings will be hurt, I'll move on. 

 

Or shrug it off and dodge as before. That always works too. 

Actually this post is for Discussion, not argument, a few people have thought that is this is a bad idea (From what I've seen) but it's not, it's a simple request that should not be argued about. I don't even know why anyone would not support this.

[Sigma Tauri]

Because it's the point of this thread? Because forums are for discussion? If you don't have anything to say in rebuttal, and I mean actual evidence here, you could always just stop posting. As much as my feelings will be hurt, I'll move on. 

 

Or shrug it off and dodge as before. That always works too. 

 

Dude, I already anticipate the pointlessness of this discussion. You're going to make middling arguments about skin color and blobs and all that, I'm gonna say character is this, this, and this, and we're going to have 1-2 pages of pointless discussion. I already see this is heading to WOMBAT neckbeard territory. So whatev fam. I'm out.

[Legendary Hero]

I imported also from 1 to 2 to 3, I looked at the character creator in 3 and it kind of annoyed me because they had AWESOME eye colors, but I didn't want to change my character as it would ruin the lore.    Lol

[Evamitchelle]

It has nothing to do with biology, and a lot more to do with the world BioWare set up for Mass Effect. If BioWare wants no indigenous Americans, that's their business. That's why not. 

 

 

In ME:Revelations Anderson is described this way: "His features, like most citizens in the multicultural society of the late twenty-second century, were a mix of several different racial characteristics. Predominantly African, but Grissom thought he could see lingering traces of Central European and Native American ancestry as well." 

[Steelcan]

That is not a reason not to include a preset, it is not against the lore at all as the Player Character is supposed to be able to be unique and is unique in many ways, as are other characters such as Zaeed and Kasumi.

unique in character, not appearance

[Legendary Hero]

Yeah. No they aren't. I don't know what world you live in, but the highest native population doesn't live in America or Canada. They're mostly in South America, and that's just because we haven't gotten to all of them yet. It's an extreme minority today, making up less than 2% of the total population in the US. Over half of them are mixed with other races. Japan's "huge population" has been sharply declining for years, and there mixing with outsiders is also to be expected. 

I don't know where you get your facts, but it doesn't matter anyway, I don't want to see these argumentative posts, I only respond to provide insight into why there should be a Native American face preset. Your posts only show to me that you are opposed to having a Native American preset (I have no idea why.) Still you're way underestimating the amount of Native Americans and Inuits, Alaska is largely made up of Native Inuits, this is not an Argument, I'm just stating a fact.

 

I already edited my first post stating that I do not want to see posts stating that "The Native Americans are almost extinct." Which is untrue, and has been repeated many times. There are still Reservations where they have their own Police, and are pretty much fully made up of Native Americans, then there are Native Americans spread across america. I have already responded to the false idea that "The Native Americans are almost extinct." many times and do not want to again. I'll delete the next post that says it.

[Legendary Hero]

unique in character, not appearance

Actually Unique in Character and appearance. I don't think I've seen any character other than the player that has purple, orange or red eyes in the campaign of the Mass Effect games.

[Legendary Hero]

I would definitely play as a Native American character with Orange eyes or Brown eyes. That would be so cool.

[Cyonan]

Actually this post is for Discussion, not argument, a few people have thought that is this is a bad idea (From what I've seen) but it's not, it's a simple request that should not be argued about. I don't even know why anyone would not support this.

 

Well this is the internet. You had to expect that there would be people trying to argue with you, unless you're new here.

 

The only thing I'm curious about is why ask for only specifically Native American? Why not a more diverse CC in general that tries to get all major races of Human?

[Legendary Hero]

Well this is the internet. You had to expect that there would be people trying to argue with you, unless you're new here.

 

The only thing I'm curious about is why ask for only specifically Native American? Why not a more diverse CC in general that tries to get all major races of Human?

Because I've never seen BioWare use a dynamic slider, and I do not think they will. This is a backup Incase they decide to make some super simple Character Creator with a few presets like they did in the past games. But trust me I'll still be complaining if they don't enhance the Character Creator.

 

As for argument, this post isn't about that, it's about discussion, not why a Native American preset should or should not be in the next game. It should be in the next game (Unless there is a more dynamic character creator that allows for the creation of a Native American character) is what I'm saying, and as I said before, I don't know why anyone would argue with having a Native American preset in the next game.

[The Heretic of Time]

ME1 alone had a racially diverse cast. Anyone can tell that Bioware was going for the cosmopolitan/United Colors of Benetton future, like Star Trek.

 

And all those people you meet in ME1 are of mixed heritage. Even Captain Anderson isn't fully African, but a mix of multiple races, including African. Kai Leng is a mix between Russian and Chinese. Udina is a mash of multiple races, Ashley is half-Latino, half-white, Kaidan seems to be half-Turkish half-white, etc. etc. etc.

[Legendary Hero]

And all those people you meet in ME1 are of mixed heritage. Even Captain Anderson isn't fully African, but a mix of multiple races, including African. Kai Leng is a mix between Russian and Chinese. Udina is a mash of multiple races, Ashley is half-Latino, half-white, Kaidan seems to be half-Turkish half-white, etc. etc. etc.

So?

[Lady Artifice]

OP, you sweet summer child. On the BSN discussion means argument, with only rare exception. 

[Lady Artifice]

And all those people you meet in ME1 are of mixed heritage. Even Captain Anderson isn't fully African, but a mix of multiple races, including African. Kai Leng is a mix between Russian and Chinese. Udina is a mash of multiple races, Ashley is half-Latino, half-white, Kaidan seems to be half-Turkish half-white, etc. etc. etc.

 

Indeed, and yet they still retain features of their ethnic descent. Meaning that in the context of the lore, retaining those features isn't impossible. 

 

I usually make a character with the kind of porcelain complexion that is described as exceptionally rare at this point in the ME timeline, and I'd rather keep that option despite that. Avoiding unusual features in the CC would be a bit boring. 

[The Heretic of Time]

So?

 

So it's in line with the ME lore.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Well this is the internet. You had to expect that there would be people trying to argue with you, unless you're new here.

 

The only thing I'm curious about is why ask for only specifically Native American? Why not a more diverse CC in general that tries to get all major races of Human?

 

Exactly what I thought, too.

[Grieving Natashina]

So it's in line with the ME lore.

May I get a source for that?  I keep reading that and I have yet to see WoG or Codex on the subject.  I'm not saying it isn't true, but I haven't seen any evidence of it other than some characters that are of mixed backgrounds.  Is it in the books/comics, or something I can see in-game?  Or is it a developer's/writer's comment outside of the EU and the game?

 

I'm asking for a link so I can check it out for myself.  

[KaiserShep]

Regarding lore and people's appearances, I don't think it's something really worth putting a whole lot of thought into. It's all essentially multicolor. It doesn't really have to be super thorough. 

[Malthier]

The only thing I'm curious about is why ask for only specifically Native American? Why not a more diverse CC in general that tries to get all major races of Human?

 

What other races are missing? I don't remember anything looking much like Pacific Islander I guess.