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The Reapers surely could have harvested Andromeda in those 50,000 year cycles


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So why assume they didn't? Surely the Catalyst was aware of the likelihood of organic life in other galaxies, so why not harvest the Milky Way for a few centuries, spend a few centuries flying to Andromeda, harvest there, take a few more centuries to fly to Triangulum, harvest, etc. (not forgetting the dwarf galaxies), THEN finally take a nap.

 


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Possibly.  In theory a fleet of Reapers could go to the Andromeda galaxy, harvest, and still have time to rest in dark space before going back to the Milky Way.  However, I do not see that being likely.  



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So why assume they didn't?

 

The existence of Mass Effect: Andromeda and the now-all-but-confirmed leak that they are soft rebooting the series to avoid ever addressing the reapers, the star child, the catalyst, or the ending.


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Andromeda wasn't within their parameters, like an antivirus set to scan at certain periods, or only certain sections of a HDD.

 

If they thought their job was to harvest all life in the known universe, they'd have a hell of job set out for them. The known universe is pretty big. Like, even bigger than 500 elephants glued together. It's pretty big.


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50,000 years sounds like a long time to us puny mortals, but on an astronomical scale, not so much.

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There's be some talk floating around that it's going to "recycle" ME1's plot . Please no!  I want something original.  


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Like, even bigger than 500 elephants glued together. It's pretty big.

 

Crazy talk. Nothing could be as big is 500 elephants glued together. The glue alone would be huge.


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The Reapers are essentially an anti-virus that's a bit overzealous.

 

Sure they might delete every file on your harddrive except the operating system thinking that it's a virus, but it doesn't go and scan your external drives in between scans of your main drive.


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I always wondered if ours was the only galaxy to be reaped, and now it seems it was, and I'm actually not sure how that makes me feel.
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Crazy talk. Nothing could be as big is 500 elephants glued together. The glue alone would be huge.

 

That reminds me of a lecture I was given by an astrophysicist in high school. Basically, the theory was that if you took every single elephant on Earth, glued them together, and created an elephant-ladder to the moon, all of the elephants would probably die.

 

Thought-provoking stuff.


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50,000 years sounds like a long time to us puny mortals, but on an astronomical scale, not so much.

When it apparently only took the Reapers 3 years to fly to the Milky Way? Actually given that the War seemed to be kicking the crap out of the organics pretty quickly, it probably didn't take centuries to finish the job either.

 

Besides, if the Catalyst can edit the DNA of every member of every species in the Milky Way I presume it could manage to build a turbo engine for the Reapers.


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There's be some talk floating around that it's going to "recycle" ME1's plot . Please no!  I want something original.  

 

ME1's plot is a recycled plot.


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I am assuming they didn't because they writers wouldn't have wanted them to. The whole point of this move to Andromeda is to get a clean slate, to get rid of everything ME3 related and move forward.

 

Also: Reapers are non-organic life, they actually would be so alien to us that we could not predict their motives, desires, or actions. A Reaper's intelligence should be as far above humans as we are above ants, they have an entire kilometer long ship devoted to processing and millions of years of self-upgrades. A true AI is not something that could be reasonably understood by mere mortals.



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Here's the thing: NOT harvesting galaxies in the local group is pretty much a terrible long term strategy.

Why? Because it would only take a few million years of steady technological advancement for a species to massively rival the Reapers. Shorter if they are synthetic. And if thr Catalyst is right, and synthetic conflict is inevitable, then there is a substantial probability that synthetic super-advanced godlike beings could develop in Andromeda.

And as the Reapers are concerned with preservation of life, such a thing would potentially challenge both them, the harvest, and ultimate domination if the Milky Way if they aren't like the true Geth and are into that sort of thing.

So it wouldn't make sense for them to not harvest Andromeda at the very least, provided that the Catalyst is not confined by programming.

I suspect that the Reapers were in Andromeda, but the Remnant defeated them and then disappeared. It will probably be a major plot point because it is so predictable (just like moving the setting to Andromeda was) so, calling it now.
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Here's the thing: NOT harvesting galaxies in the local group is pretty much a terrible long term strategy.

Why? Because it would only take a few million years of steady technological advancement for a species to massively rival the Reapers. Shorter if they are synthetic. And if thr Catalyst is right, and synthetic conflict is inevitable, then there is a substantial probability that synthetic super-advanced godlike beings could develop in Andromeda.

And as the Reapers are concerned with preservation of life, such a thing would potentially challenge both them, the harvest, and ultimate domination if the Milky Way if they aren't like the true Geth and are into that sort of thing.

So it wouldn't make sense for them to not harvest Andromeda at the very least, provided that the Catalyst is not confined by programming.

I suspect that the Reapers were in Andromeda, but the Remnant defeated them and then disappeared. It will probably be a major plot point because it is so predictable (just like moving the setting to Andromeda was) so, calling it now.

Untrue. The conclusion the Reaper Intelligence came to was that organic life would inevitably create non-organic life which would then destroy said organic life. So all non-harvested galaxies would simply wind up creating AI's and then being slaughtered by them, maybe Mutually Destructive.

 

And if Reaper's start expending their energy in all other galaxies then they are going to get worn out and destroyed over time. The logical thing to do is let everyone in the other galaxies kill themselves while the Reapers preserve the Milky Way.

 

As to your last sentence: if the Reapers were defeated why are they back in the Milky Way? Anyone strong enough to beat the Reapers would realize they are too great a threat to just let go, and would have ensured they annihilated them.


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The local group of importance - Large Magellenic Cloud; Small Magellenic Cloud. By proximity they are within the distance the reapers might have been hibernating.

 

I don't see how Andromeda would be of importance. It is too far away to be important.

 

Still the Intelligence was confined because it could not alter its programming. Only Shepard could. It was a shackled AI.



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Reapers? There is no such thing as a Reaper. Quit telling those made up stories only meant to scare children before bed-time....how could giant robots of doom (controlled by an AI that thinks that exterminating harvesting organic life is the only way to save them) make sense at all....right? right?


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I think they have been harvesting the other galaxies in the Local Galactic Group, which consists of the galaxies Andromeda, Milky Way, and Triangulum and 51 dwarf galaxies. With how long it is projected for Reapers to harvest a galaxy the size of the Milky Way, and knowing how fast they can travel, they could harvest every single one in around 50,000 years, with even a few thousand years to still take a nap.

 

Plus it would give us in an ingame sense and Bioware in a meta sense a solution to some problems that arise with this jump to a new galaxy, such as why there isn't a Leviathan-tier race waiting for us, Mass Relays so travelling around the cluster and later galaxy will be efficient, and even how we got there in the first place since our technology can't do the job.   


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Could have, sure.

 

But they wont have.  Because it's boring and therefore wrong.  Bioware want to get away from the Milky Way, Reapers, the whole lot (after reading some of the threads here, I can't blame them).  Because if the Reapers harvested Andromeda, then the knock-on impact from the end of ME3 will also have an impact on Andromeda.



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Could have, sure.

 

But they wont have.  Because it's boring and therefore wrong.  Bioware want to get away from the Milky Way, Reapers, the whole lot (after reading some of the threads here, I can't blame them).  Because if the Reapers harvested Andromeda, then the knock-on impact from the end of ME3 will also have an impact on Andromeda.

Why? The Reapers having been to Andromeda doesn't mean they are there now. Andromeda wouldn't be touched by the events of Mass Effect 3. 



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Why? The Reapers having been to Andromeda doesn't mean they are there now. Andromeda wouldn't be touched by the events of Mass Effect 3. 

 

The Reapers don't have to be there for there to nevertheless be significant consequences of the Reapers having been there in the past.  At the very least, the ending of Mass Effect 3 has two options where Reaper knowledge about Andromeda could be exploited and Reaper tech utilised to travel there (Control and Synthesis), if they had ever visited before.

 

Not to mention if Reaper tech is just lying around Andromeda, either from this or previous cycles, the question of why isn't it being used to be in contact with the Milky Way will invariably be asked.

 

Which again opens the back door to making a canon ending, sorting out the consequences of the conclusion and all the other things Bioware clearly don't want to do.  Easiest thing is to say "Reapers didn't go there, don't know anything about it, state of the Milky Way remains blissfully undisturbed by a canon ending being chosen".



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The Reapers don't have to be there for there to nevertheless be significant consequences of the Reapers having been there in the past.  At the very least, the ending of Mass Effect 3 has two options where Reaper knowledge about Andromeda could be exploited and Reaper tech utilised to travel there (Control and Synthesis), if they had ever visited before.

 

Not to mention if Reaper tech is just lying around Andromeda, either from this or previous cycles, the question of why isn't it being used to be in contact with the Milky Way will invariably be asked.

 

Which again opens the back door to making a canon ending, sorting out the consequences of the conclusion and all the other things Bioware clearly don't want to do.  Easiest thing is to say "Reapers didn't go there, don't know anything about it, state of the Milky Way remains blissfully undisturbed by a canon ending being chosen".

We'll be exploited Reaper tech regardless. All our tech is already based off Reaper tech. 

Who says we won't be in contact with the Milky Way? 

No, it doesn't. The Reapers being there in the past presents no new problems to the situation.



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So much for the Citadel relay being a crucial aspect of the Reaper cycle. Well they had to retcon that one didn't they?



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When we talk to Sovereign he heavily implies that the Reapers in Dark Space are just chilling out there, conserving their energy for the next 'cycle'. No where in the established lore is it even hinted that Reapers decided to visit other galaxies. If they had then the remaining Leviathans could have utilized the hundreds of years absence such a journey would necessitate to build up their own tech once more and finalize a weapon to destroy the Reapers. The only reason the Leviathans decided that sitting on the bottom of an ocean for a few million years was a good idea is because they were so scared of the Reapers, and the Reapers were always watching.

 

 

If you want to create some logic and lore then it is entirely possible for Reapers to have visited every galaxy in the local cluster, hell they could have visited every galaxy in the universe. But I quite sincerely doubt Bioware will go that route, because it is boring. It is just retreading old roads and brings absolutely nothing new to the franchise (and it drags ME3 controversy into MEA which they are striving to avoid).


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Unless Andromeda was part of the Leviathan empire, I seriously doubt it was part of their parameters.

The Reapers and Catalyst was managing the Leviathan empire and solving it's problems..... In their own broken way.. If you're born into that empires territory, then you become part of the equation....

Otherwise they would have been forced to expand to the trillions of Galaxies out there... There wouldn't have been enough time for that in the whole timespan of the existance of the universe...
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