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[camphor]

We'll be exploited Reaper tech regardless. All our tech is already based off Reaper tech. 

Who says we won't be in contact with the Milky Way? 

No, it doesn't. The Reapers being there in the past presents no new problems to the situation.

 

 

The sooner you accept for right or wrong that bioware has basically blown up the milky way you'll be a lot happier and the only way you will ever see it again is in a possible prologue showing us going to andromeda sometime before the endings. oh and a codex entry. 

 

could the reapers have gone there? Yes

Will the reapers still be there? No

Will the reapers be central to the story? No

Will the reapers be mentioned and even made out to be coming back for about 5 min in some cutscene only to find out its a totally different ancient species with super advanced technology? maybe

 

also i am capable of cutting an apple in half with a sword i however will not waste my time getting both a sword and apple capability does not not imply action.

 

disappointment sucks but if you move on and forget about it lifes a lot easier

[Eryri]

I was disappointed with ME3 ending so much I could only do one Trilogy run by the time PS3 got ME1. I want to do more but there just doesn't seem to be a point because ending choice shouldn't be there in the first place so Bioware could continue afterwards. I am one to believe IT because I believe Destroy is the real end all for METrilogy. Also because the ending just left me so empty made me feel what is the point of playing all the Mass Effects with that garbage. 
 
But I am one of the few I think that Bioware shouldn't fix it by just erasing it because I want to play METrilogy again so bad I would rather Bioware fix there mistake and bring meaning to the Trilogy rather than just run away. That is why I want a connection to happen, I would rather believe that we will go back to Milky Way in the future and the Andromeda setting is just so they could have more time to think of a fix for the ending choices of some sort.

I agree completely. I really want to like the ME Franchise again, but I would need that ending to be addressed and Shepard's story to be properly resolved. Otherwise it will just cast a cloud over the whole thing for me.

[DarthSliver]

I agree completely. I really want to like the ME Franchise again, but I would need that ending to be addressed and Shepard's story to be properly resolved. Otherwise it will just cast a cloud over the whole thing for me.

 

Well I plan to pick up Andromeda either way but as far as METrilogy goes, the government can go on a witch out and burn all MEtrilogy copies and I wouldn't care jk lol. 

 

I really want Bioware to address the endings for Andromeda either by canonizing one off popular choice or canonizing one that they feel will make the series flourish more or just making it so <--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------this much time has passed-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> that the paths for any of the choices just converged and that the Catalyst was just a psychopathic AI. Then there is a possibility they just ignore the endings and say its believed the AI Leviathians created got corrupted by virus like someone sabotaged it. 

[Fade9wayz]

1) How so? Just because they've been there in the past doesn't mean they'd be involved in the plot. 
2) No it doesn't. The conversations with the Milky Way just have to have different dialogue depending on your choices in the Shepard Trilogy. Bioware's done that for years.

1) I realize I didn't express myself well. I don't want them existing when the colonists arrive in Andromeda,or even as a looming threat from another galaxy of the local cluster. That would just lead to repetitiveness. Them not having visited Andromeda in the past is just a personnal preference. I want them gone for good. They were so lame I can't find in me any will to salvage them in any way.
2) If they get news that the MW is 'saved', there's no point in going to Andromeda. They could just turn back and help rebuild instead. Retrieve friends and family, instead of leaving everything behind for the big unknown that is Andromeda. And what would you do about Refuse?
 

Getting to Andromeda in a Mass Effect game without using the Mass Effect is nonsensical. It may as well be a new IP at that point. It's already lost a lot of what made it special to a lot of players, and this would remove even more.

It is practically a new IP as far as I'm concerned. And you still retrieve the mass effect in the drive cores, FTL once inside Andromeda where they can safely discharge, and biotic powers. Mass effect isn't contrived to mass relays, they are just one of the applications of that err... 'physico-chemical' principle (I'm not quite sure how to qualify that principle). I don't see how it is nonsensical. Moreover, if the Protheans could do it, the colonists might too and start working on building their own mass relays in Andromeda.

Edit: I forgot the mass effect principle is even used in dental hygiene appliances

[Former_Fiend]

I'm personally of the opinion that while the Reapers were absolutely capable of reaching Andromeda - if we can do it, they certainly can - I'm not entirely convinced they'd have the motivation to try. The Catalyst was programmed to preserve galactic life, not universal life; it's parameters were focused on the Milky Way. Unless there was a previous incursion by a race from Andromeda(the Remnant?) to draw their attention, I don't see the Reapers going their of their own initiative. 

 

However, I think it is possible that we might encounter reaper forces who chased us there/beat us there specifically to deal with the Ark project and prevent us from using Andromeda as a staging point to strike back at them in the next cycle.

 

Although, going back to the initial point, I suppose it's possible that Reapers are present in Andromeda because a force from a previous cycle tried something like the Ark before and that's what drew the reaper's attention to another galaxy. 

 

In any event I don't see a specific reason why Reapers couldn't be present in Andromeda. The question really boils down to should they be there, to which a lot of fans on the BSN would say "NO!". But we aren't the ones who're going to answer that question; Bioware is. 

 

Personally I'd prefer Reapers to a "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" scenario where the new threat is just like the Reapers in every meaningful way just with a new paint job; See Goa'uld compared to the Wraith and Ori of Stargate fame. But I would definitely prefer a very original enemy faction that distinguishes itself from what we've seen so far in the series to either of those options.

[Drone223]

Andromeda wasn't within their parameters, like an antivirus set to scan at certain periods, or only certain sections of a HDD.

 

Their mandate was to "preserve all life" it did not specify a particular galaxy so it'd be in the reapers interest to harvest other galaxies as well. Not to mention there are plenty of dwarf galaxies are actually that rather close to the MW some being less than 10 LY away.

 

[The Night Haunter]

Their mandate was to "preserve all life" it did not specify a particular galaxy so it'd be in the reapers interest to harvest other galaxies as well. Not to mention there are plenty of dwarf galaxies are actually that rather close to the MW some being less than 10 LY away.

That is an assumption. No-one ever out and out tells us what the Catalyst was instructed to do by the Leviathans prior to creating the Reapers. We are given the general sense ('preserve life'), but not the specifics. You can't say it didn't include a Milky Way limitation any more than your opposition can say it did.

 

It is logical that the limitation would be MW only, but we don't know for sure if the Catalyst might have taken Andromeda and other galaxies into its 'domain', but honestly I doubt it did, since Bioware is trying to avoid Reapers & Catalyst by moving to a whole new galaxy.

 

 

So no-one can say 'Andromeda was / wasn't within their parameters'. 

 

And honestly this topic has been debated to death. It is entirely possible the Reapers could have gone to Andromeda, but is Bioware going to go that route? I doubt it, but the possibility is non-zero.

[Red Panda]

The Remnant are probably along the same lines of the cyclical nature of organics getting killed by synthetics.

[SojournerN7]

The Reapers surely could have harvested Andromeda in those 50,000 year cycles.

 

Surely they could have. Even though the reapers have been around for a very long time, I've theorized that the reapers didn't stop with the milky way, and they gained huge numbers quickly by this principle. The citadel is theorized by the protheans to be linked to dark space, but no one has ever been through the citadel relay, so it's hard to say where it actually goes. Dark Space? Andromeda? A Borg-Like Hub linking to several galaxies?

 

I think that if you chose destroy, it destroyed all reapers universe-wide. Similarly Control and Synthesis the reapers all follow this new doctrine of control or harmony, then take a backseat to never really to be seen again (until required in some non-canonical fashion). If you chose refuse, basically it's game over man, game over for all galaxies. Andromeda (by the above theory) would get reaped when that cycle is ready for harvesting.

 

Here's the long and short:

It's all moot, since we're looking for habitable planets in Andromeda, and the reapers are a completed story with Shepard. But I agree OP with the possibility.

[Drone223]

That is an assumption. No-one ever out and out tells us what the Catalyst was instructed to do by the Leviathans prior to creating the Reapers. We are given the general sense ('preserve life'), but not the specifics. You can't say it didn't include a Milky Way limitation any more than your opposition can say it did.

 

It is logical that the limitation would be MW only, but we don't know for sure if the Catalyst might have taken Andromeda and other galaxies into its 'domain', but honestly I doubt it did, since Bioware is trying to avoid Reapers & Catalyst by moving to a whole new galaxy.

 

Thing is the Leviathans gave no limitations of how the programming works as they were part of that mandate as well. So it would makes scene to expand that mandate to cover other galaxies as well.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The sooner you accept for right or wrong that bioware has basically blown up the milky way you'll be a lot happier and the only way you will ever see it again is in a possible prologue showing us going to andromeda sometime before the endings. oh and a codex entry. 

 

disappointment sucks but if you move on and forget about it lifes a lot easier

I'll never accept it. I can't. Bioware ruined what made Mass Effect special for me, at least partially. No matter what they do, it won't truly feel like Mass Effect to me anymore.

 

1) I realize I didn't express myself well. I don't want them existing when the colonists arrive in Andromeda,or even as a looming threat from another galaxy of the local cluster. That would just lead to repetitiveness. Them not having visited Andromeda in the past is just a personnal preference. I want them gone for good. They were so lame I can't find in me any will to salvage them in any way.
2) If they get news that the MW is 'saved', there's no point in going to Andromeda. They could just turn back and help rebuild instead. Retrieve friends and family, instead of leaving everything behind for the big unknown that is Andromeda. And what would you do about Refuse?

1) I understand, and even agree in part. The Reapers were part of Shepard's story, so I wouldn't really want them to be the villains again either. Their legacy however I would love to have in the new games. 

2) It depends on how we get there, or even why we left. For all we know they left after the events of ME3 on a mission purely for reasons like exploration, scientific discovery, expansion, resources, etc. 

 

It is practically a new IP as far as I'm concerned. And you still retrieve the mass effect in the drive cores, FTL once inside Andromeda where they can safely discharge, and biotic powers. Mass effect isn't contrived to mass relays, they are just one of the applications of that err... 'physico-chemical' principle (I'm not quite sure how to qualify that principle). I don't see how it is nonsensical. Moreover, if the Protheans could do it, the colonists might too and start working on building their own mass relays in Andromeda.

Edit: I forgot the mass effect principle is even used in dental hygiene appliances

I know there will still be things that use the mass effect in the game, but us getting there via relativistic travel rather than using the mass effect in some way seems wrong somehow. The Mass Relays though are symbolic of the franchise, so removing them would be disappointing. It'd be like removing dragons from Dragon Age.

I don't see how that's possible without a massive infrastructure in place. A Mass Relay is a huge project. And you'd need at least two of them for them to even work. 

[The Night Haunter]

Thing is the Leviathans gave no limitations of how the programming works as they were part of that mandate as well. So it would makes scene to expand that mandate to cover other galaxies as well.

Again an assumption. They didn't provide the mandates 'Cull the organics!' obviously. We don't know what their instructions were beyond a hint 'Preserve Organic Life'. The Catalyst is the one who came up with kill them all and melt them into ships... so whether there are limitations, and whether the Leviathans said 'Preserve all life in the galaxy', or 'Preserve all life in the universe' or 'Preserve all life' is currently unknown.

[Catastrophy]

Hahaha, "Reapers"! We have dismissed these claims.

[Dean_the_Young]

The existence of Mass Effect: Andromeda and the now-all-but-confirmed leak that they are soft rebooting the series to avoid ever addressing the reapers, the star child, the catalyst, or the ending.

 

That's not a reboot, but whateves

[Dean_the_Young]

I'll never accept it. I can't. Bioware ruined what made Mass Effect special for me, at least partially. No matter what they do, it won't truly feel like Mass Effect to me anymore.

 

So... you intend to stay around being lamenting about ye old golden days?

 

I mean, some people aren't happy unless they're unhappy, but I don't see the appeal of sticking around to lament about a 'ruined' franchise that doesn't feel like what you want it to be.

[Sully13]

Ooooh there could be worse things than Reapers...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So... you intend to stay around being lamenting about ye old golden days?

 

I mean, some people aren't happy unless they're unhappy, but I don't see the appeal of sticking around to lament about a 'ruined' franchise that doesn't feel like what you want it to be.

No. I have no doubt that Mass Effect: Andromeda will be a fun game and I want to know more about it.

It's just lost part of what made it special for me. 

[Drone223]

Again an assumption. They didn't provide the mandates 'Cull the organics!' obviously. We don't know what their instructions were beyond a hint 'Preserve Organic Life'. The Catalyst is the one who came up with kill them all and melt them into ships... so whether there are limitations, and whether the Leviathans said 'Preserve all life in the galaxy', or 'Preserve all life in the universe' or 'Preserve all life' is currently unknown.

Here's the thing, if the galaxy manged is capable of traveling to other galaxies than the reapers should have no problem in doing so. Its ridiculous to think that with the galaxies current technology they are able to develop the means to travel to other galaxies in the span of few months (which is very contrived) yet the reaper's were never able to achieve such a feat in the over the course of billions of years.

[The Night Haunter]

Here's the thing, if the galaxy manged is capable of traveling to other galaxies than the reapers should have no problem in doing so. Its ridiculous to think that with the galaxies current technology they are able to develop the means to travel to other galaxies in the span of few months (which is very contrived) yet the reaper's were never able to achieve such a feat in the over the course of billions of years.

You are assuming they want to. The Reapers may not even care about Andromeda, they are machines, their intellect should be very different from ours, they might have no motivation at all to go to Andromeda.

 

And I never said they couldn't, or wouldn't, I'm simply saying your stating assumptions like their facts. I was talking about Reapers original programming, nothing to do with whether they had tech to get to Andromeda and back again.

[Sidney]

Well and there is nothing, if there are Reapers there, that says everyone is on the same 50,000 cycle. The Reapers might "due" in another 8000 years in Andromeda which makes it wholly irrelevant if they do or not care about Andromeda.

[themikefest]

me: Did you harvest other galaxies?

catalyst: You don't need to know, and there's not enough time to explain

[Drone223]

You are assuming they want to. The Reapers may not even care about Andromeda, they are machines, their intellect should be very different from ours, they might have no motivation at all to go to Andromeda.

Except their were created with the purpose to "preserve all life" it would be in their interest to expand their goal to other galaxies as well.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well and there is nothing, if there are Reapers there, that says everyone is on the same 50,000 cycle. The Reapers might "due" in another 8000 years in Andromeda which makes it wholly irrelevant if they do or not care about Andromeda.

Exactly. If the Reapers do harvest each galaxy in the Local Galactic Group, it would be millennia until they would even arrive at Andromeda, far beyond the scope of any of the games. 

[KaiserShep]

me: Did you harvest other galaxies?

catalyst: You don't need to know, and there's not enough time to explain

 

Shepard: So what about other galaxies? Did you harvest them too?

 

Catalyst: What do you think?

 

Shepard: I think I'm gonna shoot that tube now. 

[Danny Boy 7]

So why assume they didn't? Surely the Catalyst was aware of the likelihood of organic life in other galaxies, so why not harvest the Milky Way for a few centuries, spend a few centuries flying to Andromeda, harvest there, take a few more centuries to fly to Triangulum, harvest, etc. (not forgetting the dwarf galaxies), THEN finally take a nap.

Personally that then makes me ask, why would they stop? If we assume that they continued to other galaxies then only a number of things would make them return, i.e the universe is a lot smaller than we thought thus meaning that they reaped the entire universe (which would be silly to say it lightly), they met something that repelled them and forced them to consolidate their power to the galaxies they did conquer (which would be interesting albeit we barely defeated the Reapers how would we possibly defeat another super race/empire etc and how did they?).

 

I mean we can't assume what the catalyst would figure is the most logical approach given we don't know whether it assumes a consolidated effort in one section of the universe is more beneficial than attempting to  harvest the entire universe (or even surrounding galaxies) which they have no further knowledge of. Corrosive gas clouds, empty galaxies, galaxies where their synthetics already took them over or galaxies where organics have discovered a solution to the organic/synthetic problem. I mean the possibilities of why they wouldn't or even shouldn't are many. The reason the cycle of harvest works is because prior to the first harvest they had an understanding of all the variables within their galaxy thanks to the Leviathan.

 

Another thing to consider is since the Leviathans (as far as we know) didn't expand to other galaxies or had no desire to than the artificial intelligence created by them should have similar parameters especially since the Leviathans were concerned with their slave races rather than the universe.