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[Iakus]

They are built to keep tribute flowing to the Levianthan. The Levianthan didn't have a universal empire, merely a galactic one. Their mission wasn't a mission of altruism gone awry, they were basically doctors designed to make sure the slaves didn't get sick and die. Constraint on their realm of activity would seems to fit from the mission -- of course any species that left out a line of "don't kill us code" might not be that smart.

"The intelligence has one purpose;  the preservation of life"

 

THe LEviathans intended it to be a way to keep their slave races from killing themselves, but it clearly went beyond their intended purpose.  The Leviathans failed to put any limitations on its activities.  And it got them turned into Harbinger Smoothie.

 

The entire existence of the Reapers shows just how beyond the intended scope they've become.

[Dantriges]

The Leviathans wanted to keep their tribute flowing, not protect life they don´t care about. And well seems they are lazy anyways or they could have done so themselves.

[Iakus]

Which would be fine if we didn't already have a billion different contrived examples to go by. As I said, we have about 10 different instances of the Reapers failing to clean up after themselves effectively. The whole "it's contrived" point was lost a while ago for us. 

 

Unless you're suggesting that the Reapers quite literally scour and dig through every last inch of every planet? Which (if they did) we wouldn't have the Thorian, Prothean Beacons, or Ilos in the first place. It certainly doesn't help in this instance that we don't have any active evidence of how the Reapers track Organics beyond Citadel Records. Everything else is ultimately speculation. 

Well, given Liara's decades of research was still inconclusive to the point of being considered pseudoscience until "The Shepard" came on the scene, I'd say that overall, the REapers were doing at least an adequate job of keeping their secret.  Until The Plot dictates otherwise.

[KaiserShep]

Maybe whatever's in Andromeda is like species 8472 and the reapers just couldn't handle it. They were all like "You came to the wrong neighborhood mother****er." 

[Iakus]

Maybe whatever's in Andromeda is like species 8472 and the reapers just couldn't handle it. They were all like "You came to the wrong neighborhood mother****er." 

 

And so, it's humanity to the rescue once again!  

[Redbelle]

Out of interest.... Did anyone feel like they got closure in the Reaper war? As in, the war was won or lost?

 

I don't mean, what the game state said happened. I mean, do you feel you as a player, through your efforts, earned a win or a loss? Or did event's just overtake things where you were along for the ride?

 

Personally, by the end of ME3, I felt like I hadn't earned anything because the prize was hidden and out of reach when I expecting the opportunity to grab it.

 

As such, I'm completely down for another Reaper war..... Only this time..... I want to blast them personally. Hands on the controls. However hard doing so may be. Like, Dark Souls hard.

[Nethershadow]

Out of interest.... Did anyone feel like they got closure in the Reaper war? As in, the war was won or lost?

 

I don't mean, what the game state said happened. I mean, do you feel you as a player, through your efforts, earned a win or a loss? Or did event's just overtake things where you were along for the ride?

 

Personally, by the end of ME3, I felt like I hadn't earned anything because the prize was hidden and out of reach when I expecting the opportunity to grab it.

 

As such, I'm completely down for another Reaper war..... Only this time..... I want to blast them personally. Hands on the controls. However hard doing so may be. Like, Dark Souls hard.

In the end I would agree, I don't feel like all the efforts I made through the whole game with the exception of those like the Arachni that I got to help build the catalyst faster did anything.

 

Here I got opposed factions to come togather, work together and amassed a fleet the galaxy hadn't seen in ages. I did the impossible and then it was for nothing, as the fleet and factions coming together had no impact or effect on determining the outcome.

 

I felt cheated out of a great battle to end all the insanely long reign of the Reapers, the hero of the galaxy to just instead have a chat with Starbrat.

[themikefest]

"The intelligence has one purpose;  the preservation of life"

 

THe LEviathans intended it to be a way to keep their slave races from killing themselves, but it clearly went beyond their intended purpose.  The Leviathans failed to put any limitations on its activities.  And it got them turned into Harbinger Smoothie.

 

The entire existence of the Reapers shows just how beyond the intended scope they've become.

Leviathan suffered from politician syndrome. Everything they said and did was right no matter what. They had the big head.   

[Eryri]

Out of interest.... Did anyone feel like they got closure in the Reaper war? As in, the war was won or lost?

I don't mean, what the game state said happened. I mean, do you feel you as a player, through your efforts, earned a win or a loss? Or did event's just overtake things where you were along for the ride?

Personally, by the end of ME3, I felt like I hadn't earned anything because the prize was hidden and out of reach when I expecting the opportunity to grab it.

As such, I'm completely down for another Reaper war..... Only this time..... I want to blast them personally. Hands on the controls. However hard doing so may be. Like, Dark Souls hard.

Agreed. The ending felt like a huge anti climax where Shepard meekly accepted the Brat's nonsense and then slouched off to die in one of the ways he suggested.

However, like yourself, I'd very much enjoy a proper, satisfying showdown with the Reapers. I think they had potential to be fantastic, classic sci fi villains, which ME3 failed to let them live up to. Firstly all their supposedly unique designs were dropped to make them all clones of Sovereign, then they were upstaged by Cerberus, and finally they were apparently reduced to malprogrammed V.I.s by Star Brat. I'd love to see them regain some of their status as Magnificent Bastards... right before I blow them to pieces.

In fact I'd thoroughly enjoy an extended, God of War-esque boss fight inside Harbinger himself. After fighting our way through his internal defences to his core, I would love the satisfaction of plunging an omniblade into his CPU - "Hey Harbinger. This hurts you!"
Ahem... Quite surprised myself with my own virtual bloodlust there... Slightly worrying.
Edited for clarity.

Modifié par Eryri, 26 juillet 2015 - 03:55 .

[In Exile]

"The intelligence has one purpose;  the preservation of life"

 

THe LEviathans intended it to be a way to keep their slave races from killing themselves, but it clearly went beyond their intended purpose.  The Leviathans failed to put any limitations on its activities.  And it got them turned into Harbinger Smoothie.

 

The entire existence of the Reapers shows just how beyond the intended scope they've become.

 

But that argument is contradictory. If you say that the reapers went "beyond the intended scope", then you can't cite the original scope as evidence of their operation. 

[KaiserShep]

And so, it's humanity to the rescue once again!  

As things should be.

[Andrew Lucas]

As things should be.

Someone has to, right?

[Iakus]

But that argument is contradictory. If you say that the reapers went "beyond the intended scope", then you can't cite the original scope as evidence of their operation. 

And that was the Leviathan's failure.

 

The intention was "find a way to keep synthetics from killing our slave races"  but the wording of their mandate was so broad (preserve life at all costs) and with no restrictions to how they can implement their "solution",  that the Reapers went far beyond the intentions of the Leviathans.

[Iakus]

Out of interest.... Did anyone feel like they got closure in the Reaper war? As in, the war was won or lost?

 

I don't mean, what the game state said happened. I mean, do you feel you as a player, through your efforts, earned a win or a loss? Or did event's just overtake things where you were along for the ride?

 

Personally, by the end of ME3, I felt like I hadn't earned anything because the prize was hidden and out of reach when I expecting the opportunity to grab it.

 

As such, I'm completely down for another Reaper war..... Only this time..... I want to blast them personally. Hands on the controls. However hard doing so may be. Like, Dark Souls hard.

No.  I felt I got the "win" that Mac handed to me as a reward (and I use the term loosely) for playing through to the end.

[In Exile]

And that was the Leviathan's failure.

 

The intention was "find a way to keep synthetics from killing our slave races"  but the wording of their mandate was so broad (preserve life at all costs) and with no restrictions to how they can implement their "solution",  that the Reapers went far beyond the intentions of the Leviathans.

 

Well, no. I mean, the degree of idiocy involved in just going from "stop [X] from killing [Y]" to "preserve [Z] at all costs" is already nonsense. Trying to think through this issue is just a failing proposition. We constantly have to keep making things up - adding in inferences, biases, etc. - just to make sense of the complete gibberish being used. 

 

No part of what the Levithians say or the Catalyst says makes sense either as a stand alone statement or toghether with any of the other ones. 

[Il Divo]

Well, given Liara's decades of research was still inconclusive to the point of being considered pseudoscience until "The Shepard" came on the scene, I'd say that overall, the REapers were doing at least an adequate job of keeping their secret.  Until The Plot dictates otherwise.

 

Yeah, there's definitely an element of that in there.

 

But again, like anything else, a lot of this is limited due to how much speculation has to be piled in. As I recall for example, Liara doesn't theorize that the Reapers are responsible, she simply notes a pattern of cycles over which civilizations rise/fall. Not to mention, there is also an element of politics in play. People hold Liara's age against her, which isn't exactly unbelievable in the context of science. The fact that Liara was able to detect any kind of pattern at all though does beg a few more questions regarding the Reapers' clean up job . But again, this is all speculation. 

 

This is why I say it makes more sense for the story to dictate that the Reapers simply don't have the ability to maintain the facade forever, since it allows Ilos to function as less of a plot contrivance and more as the inevitable result of  innumerable organic civilizations attempting to warn the next cycle of what's to come. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Feros is kind of mentioned, Shiala (or a human replacement) will be seen on Illium. Noveria is not mentioned directly but the fact that Gianna Parasini is still around and you get a message from the Rachni Queen mean that it didn't just vanish.

 

 

Illium is said to be attacked by the Reapers, in an newsreport, Noveria is kind of mentioned (Rachni) and you can get a message in your email about the Feros colonists fighting in the war. 

 

If you just ment to say they weren't visitable, well then you are absolutely right.

 

It was just a joke really. What I really meant is that Bioware doesn't tend to worry about continuity too much, or at all, from game to game, so I really doubt reapers will be any more relevant to Andromeda than arch demons were in DA2 and DAI.

[Fade9wayz]

Out of interest.... Did anyone feel like they got closure in the Reaper war? As in, the war was won or lost?

 

I don't mean, what the game state said happened. I mean, do you feel you as a player, through your efforts, earned a win or a loss? Or did event's just overtake things where you were along for the ride?

 

Personally, by the end of ME3, I felt like I hadn't earned anything because the prize was hidden and out of reach when I expecting the opportunity to grab it.

 

As such, I'm completely down for another Reaper war..... Only this time..... I want to blast them personally. Hands on the controls. However hard doing so may be. Like, Dark Souls hard.

I did, but then, I felt the same with DAI. Once you killed the last dragon, the end fight with Corypheus and his red lyrium pet dragon was pretty easy, if a bit longish. Honestly, it was a bit of a letdown. His death made me giggle though. I still think he should have died with a piano landing on him from the sky. And a goat. 

 

I have abandoned any hope of duking it out against Reapers the way you described. They are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned and I'm pretty happy to move on to, hopefully, better things. I know BW hasn't had a great track record lately, but honestly, most of ME3 was fun, if you ignored the plot inconsistencies and the last ten minutes. So maybe I'll have my epic boss fight in MEA. One can be cautiously hopeful. Barring that, there will still be the multi.

[DarthSliver]

I did, but then, I felt the same with DAI. Once you killed the last dragon, the end fight with Corypheus and his red lyrium pet dragon was pretty easy, if a bit longish. Honestly, it was a bit of a letdown. His death made me giggle though. I still think he should have died with a piano landing on him from the sky. And a goat. 

 

I have abandoned any hope of duking it out against Reapers the way you described. They are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned and I'm pretty happy to move on to, hopefully, better things. I know BW hasn't had a great track record lately, but honestly, most of ME3 was fun, if you ignored the plot inconsistencies and the last ten minutes. So maybe I'll have my epic boss fight in MEA. One can be cautiously hopeful. Barring that, there will still be the multi.

I think you only need to ignore the last 10 minutes in ME3 because Starkid is probably the most glaring part lol