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[Sunnie]

I agree in general with what you said, except for what I bolded.  I don't do multiplayer in games like this, and I never once considered the MP content when I decided to buy the game.  I can only evaluate DAI on the strength of my own experience with it.  I doubt this would be different for anyone else.

However...

That doesn't discount the fact that free DLC has been (almost) regularly released for DA:I irregardless of which part of the game it's for. It is irrelevant that one group/person likes or uses it and another doesn't, it's still DLC for the game that was released for free.

People also forget that some added content gets snuck into patch updates which are also free.

[Greetsme]

Oh goodie, more worthless junk to play with.  Either BW are totally out of touch or need to cut down their drug intake.

[SofaJockey]

The 16 Witcher DLCs were essentially 'friendly DRM' to discourage the thieves, nothing more (& I like the game).

Waving it around as a virtuous model for the industry is cheap.

[Aren]

If Bioware will release a Qunari Dlc with these same assets(not included of course).....ts,ts that would be a low move to do.

[prosthetic soul]

Lol at all the troglodytes pointing out that CDPR purposefully released the 16 DLC for free as some PR stunt; as if it were genuinely a bad thing.  Here's a newsflash for you guys!

 

Spoiler

Of Course they did it as a PR Stunt.  That was the whole bloody point.  And in no way does it lessen the impact of what they were trying to achieve.

 

It doesn't really matter if they held back the DLC or not.  It's still ****ING FREE.  As in, does not cost a penny. The whole idea of the free DLC was them taking SHOTS at corrupt companies like Bioware nickel and diming the consumer every chance they got.  And they succeeded.  They proved a goddamn point and that's what matters. 

[prosthetic soul]

The 16 Witcher DLCs were essentially 'friendly DRM' to discourage the thieves, nothing more (& I like the game).

Waving it around as a virtuous model for the industry is cheap.

This makes no freaking sense.  How exactly is it cheap?  This kind of mindset boggles me.  For the past 10 years the industry has been abusing DLC like crazy, and then finally, a company is brave enough to take a stand, release 16 FREE DLC and you look the gift horse in the mouth and accuse them of having some sort of imaginary ulterior motive?  

 

Wait....

 

Username: Sofa Jockey

 

Nevermind, I understand now. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

This makes no freaking sense.  How exactly is it cheap?  This kind of mindset boggles me.  For the past 10 years the industry has been abusing DLC like crazy, and then finally, a company is brave enough to take a stand, release 16 FREE DLC and you look the gift horse in the mouth and accuse them of having some sort of imaginary ulterior motive?  

 

Wait....

 

Username: Sofa Jockey

 

Nevermind, I understand now. 

 

CDProjekt Red released a new finishing move for free.

 

Truly, they are the greatest heroes this world has ever seen.

 

**** you firemen. Eat ****, police officers. Go straight to hell everyone serving in the armed forces, CDProjekt Red are the REAL examples of bravery.

 

Also, mocking someone's user name? That's just sad. Just sad.

[Xetykins]

CDProjekt Red released a new finishing move for free.

Yes, free like the last 14 dlcs before that. And don't forget New Game Plus that's also free when they finish it probably in a week or 2.

 
**** you firemen. Eat ****, police officers. Go straight to hell everyone serving in the armed forces, CDProjekt Red are the REAL examples of bravery.

You are overacting. Like a lot . What's the above got to do with bravery in terms of defying all the corporate bullcraps that's been going around a lot lately?

[Lebanese Dude]

Lol at all the troglodytes pointing out that CDPR purposefully released the 16 DLC for free as some PR stunt; as if it were genuinely a bad thing.  Here's a newsflash for you guys!

 

Spoiler

Of Course they did it as a PR Stunt.  That was the whole bloody point.  And in no way does it lessen the impact of what they were trying to achieve.

 

It doesn't really matter if they held back the DLC or not.  It's still ****ING FREE.  As in, does not cost a penny. The whole idea of the free DLC was them taking SHOTS at corrupt companies like Bioware nickel and diming the consumer every chance they got.  And they succeeded.  They proved a goddamn point and that's what matters. 

 

It's free because it was cut from the base game and then released later. This a normal practice, so there's no issue there. 

 

The thing is, BioWare does this automatically in patches. CPDR just labels them as DLC instead of including them as patches.

 

When CPDR actually works on a DLC from scratch, they'll charge for it, just like BioWare is doing for its SP DLC.

 

So stop praising CDPR as if they're doing something special. Frankly, the DLC wording is a brilliant strategy judging by some people in this thread.

 

That's all really.

 

If I was going to praise any company for its patching and DLC strategies, it would have to be Creative Assembly. Rome Total War 2 support was insanely good.

[SofaJockey]

... Also, mocking someone's user name? That's just sad. Just sad.

 

I've discussed matters with Chronoid before, we have very different views of the world and I suspect have little regard for each others' views.

My 'sofa' is comfortable enough to withstand some random rudeness   and no, I'm not going to reciprocate.

[prosthetic soul]

It's free because it was cut from the base game and then released later. This a normal practice, so there's no issue there. 

 

The thing is, BioWare does this automatically in patches. CPDR just labels them as DLC instead of including them as patches.

 

When CPDR actually works on a DLC from scratch, they'll charge for it, just like BioWare is doing for its SP DLC.

 

So stop praising CDPR as if they're doing something special. Frankly, the DLC wording is a brilliant strategy judging by some people in this thread.

 

That's all really.

 

If I was going to praise any company for its patching and DLC strategies, it would have to be Creative Assembly. Rome Total War 2 support was insanely good.

You just defined EVERY DLC IN EXISTENCE.  So in other words, you're creating a massive double standard here. They released 16 pieces of DLC.  But the DIFFERENCE between CDPR and other greedy companies is they they made it FREE.  F-R-E to the E!  It literally does not matter if it was held back or not.  And Bioware hasn't done a damn thing with their patches.  Really?  What content have they released in their patches that is so amazing?  Apart from NOT fixing any of the bugs in single player?  

 

And yeah, I wasn't making fun of his username.  I was pointing out the fact that he was SofaJockey period.  SofaJockey is a very well-known Bioware Defense Force member. 

 

Patrick Weekes could barge through the front door of his house, steal every thing in sight, then leave some graffiti on the wall that says Bioware hates you and SofaJockey would probably STILL just shrug it off and say "It's okay, they needed the money anyway."  ...Not saying that Patrick Weekes would do that but you get my point. 

[AresKeith]

Wait....

 

Username: Sofa Jockey

 

Nevermind, I understand now. 

 

[prosthetic soul]

I've discussed matters with Chronoid before, we have very different views of the world and I suspect have little regard for each others' views.

My 'sofa' is comfortable enough to withstand some random rudeness   and no, I'm not going to reciprocate.

Eh, you're right about that.  That was an overtly hostile potshot out of left field and for that I apologize.  Although I don't think there's a nicer way of accusing someone of being incredibly biased and/or favorable to a certain game company.   A fan of the boyish nature you would say. 

[Samahl na Revas]

 

Patrick Weekes could barge through the front door of his house, steal every thing in sight, then leave some graffiti on the wall that says Bioware hates you and SofaJockey would probably STILL just shrug it off and say "It's okay, they needed the money anyway."  ...Not saying that Patrick Weekes would do that but you get my point. 

 

Lmao.

 

Anyway, I bought spoils of the Qunari, I like it, too bad it didn't come with a weapons sets. That spoils of Avaar is BS though because those armor should of came with Jaws of Hakkon. I also had a $5 fill me up at KFC. This boy works hard for the money 

[Al Foley]

This whole thing is really like comparing apples to LARGER apples.  As has been pointed out when CD Projekt Red does their 'full' DLC they will be charging for it.  But comparing a DLC which offers you a gwent deck, a quest here or there, or a couple of alternative appearances, to a DLC that offers hours of gameplay or *many* items and holding up one saying 'go CD Projekt Red' for making their stuff free....your darn right it better be free.  

[Lebanese Dude]

You just defined EVERY DLC IN EXISTENCE. 

 

Er ... no... I didn't.

 

DLC is an addon to the base game. Sometimes it's based on existing cut content. Other times it's done from scratch post-release.

 

So in other words, you're creating a massive double standard here. They released 16 pieces of DLC.  But the DIFFERENCE between CDPR and other greedy companies is they they made it FREE.  F-R-E to the E!  It literally does not matter if it was held back or not.  

 

lol how doesn't it matter?
 

First of all look at the quality of the DLC released. Did you even look a them?  One of them was an alternative costume for Ciri. The rest are similar in scope.

 

These are comparable to the DA2 free weapon and armor DLCs. 

So what if they're free? If you're going by relative importance, DAI already has that **** in its base game by allowing you to craft alternative outfits for your companions to begin with.

 

I don't get this. This is exactly what you call a double standard.

 

It's free but it's essentially worthless in the grand scheme of things.

 

Compare this to Jaws of Hakkon. That's an entire new zone, story, etc... This DLC alone has more content than the entire 16 free DLC released by CPDR. Furthermore, production only began in earnest post-release. CPDR has yet to release a DLC of this scope, and when they do you bet your ass they'll charge you for it.

 

Then you have Spoils of the Qunari, an admittedly small DLC, that was also worked on POST-release. They're going to charge you for it.

 

And Bioware hasn't done a damn thing with their patches.  Really?  What content have they released in their patches that is so amazing?  Apart from NOT fixing any of the bugs in single player?  

 

Really? Not fixing any of the bugs? The penchant for exaggeration is real. Did you not see that Varric has stopped doing squats? 

 

Here's a few of the features released in patches, which are often more significant than anything CPDR released as free DLC.

 

1) Party Storage

2) Item tinting

3) Weapon sheathing!

4) More customization options for thrones!
5) More customization options for trophies!
6) More customization options everywhere!!!!

7) Save import feature for old-gen to new-gen 

 

What about the Black Emporium and all its features. Again, it has more **** than a few of the TW3 DLC combined.

 

Let's not forget all the free DLC that was released for MULTIPLAYER. 

 

I mean I know you like to ignore that when doing your comparisons, but MP is still part of DAI.

 

Between all the added bonus content in the patches, free DLC, and weekly events, BioWare has released more free DLC than CPDR has for TW3 for MP ALONE

and then some.

 

All of this is coupled with the fact that CPDR is subsidized by the government and has cheaper producing costs being based in Poland.

 

Hey... packaging what BioWare already releases in patches as a "free DLC" is a brilliant strategy. It's miles ahead of the non-strategy BioWare is employing for its own DLC releases. 

 

 

Patrick Weekes could barge through the front door of his house, steal every thing in sight, then leave some graffiti on the wall that says Bioware hates you and SofaJockey would probably STILL just shrug it off and say "It's okay, they needed the money anyway."  ...Not saying that Patrick Weekes would do that but you get my point. 

 

Judging by your post, CPDR could release a DLC that would make Geralt make fart noises every time he moved and you'd still think it's an amazing DLC because it's free. F R E E.

 

[Dreadstruck]

It's free. Get over it.

 

If there's some kind of an evil, PR stunt, ulterior, world-dominating motive going on here, then I pray to all gods that all the other devs will follow suit.

 

More of this evil stuff please.

[Lebanese Dude]

It's free. Get over it.

 

If there's some kind of an evil, PR stunt, ulterior, world-dominating motive going on here, then I pray to all gods that all the other devs will follow suit.

 

More of this evil stuff please.

 

Where was it called evil? Lord...

 

It's smart business sense to call what BioWare already releases in patches, MP, and the occasional DLC as "16 free DLC".

 

It appeals to those who can't see beyond a dollar bill.

 

If BioWare did the same thing I'm rather confident that the very same people that praise CPDR would lament on how BioWare was being lazy by not releasing them in the first place and releasing an incomplete game.

 

O wait they already do that, because once again, what BioWare releases in patches goes unnoticed because it's not packaged as free DLC.

 

Not to mention the number "16" makes people all wet when the free DLC "Black Emporium" has enough content to cover most of the free DLC released by CPDR in one swoop.

[Dreadstruck]

Gee, calm down Lebanese Dude.

 

I never said anything about nor made my point based on belittling Bioware. If Bioware did something similiar, I would probably approve even more.

Don't really care about the paid DLC item packs in comparison, even though they look practically worthless, they are still highly optional and post-release so it doesn't really affect me in any way or form.

 

My actual issue is with people who are trying by any means necessary to make free stuff into something bad (that also goes to the other side, whinging about free DAI Multiplayer DLCs).

Besides, I never denied the possible motives, but you know what? They could have demanded 15 dollars for all those DLCs combined, it would be their right and wouldn't be anything special in todays industry where companies like EA or Ubisoft rip people off left and right, yet they didn't.

 

As long as I, paying consumer, will profit from it or gain an advantage, then I frankly couldn't give a damn. Hell, I actually encourage such behaviour, because it's a good influence.

 

I will also praise whoever I want, thank you very much. You have an issue with that?

[Lebanese Dude]

Gee, calm down Lebanese Dude.

 

I never said anything about nor made my point based on belittling Bioware. If Bioware did something similiar, I would probably approve even more.

Don't really care about the paid DLC item packs in comparison, even though they look practically worthless, they are still highly optional and post-release so it doesn't really affect me in any way or form.

 

My actual issue is with people who are trying by any means necessary to make free stuff into something bad (that also goes to the other side, whinging about free DAI Multiplayer DLCs).

Besides, I never denied the possible motives, but you know what? They could have demanded 15 dollars for all those DLCs combined, it would be their right and wouldn't be anything special in todays industry where companies like EA or Ubisoft rip people off left and right, yet they didn't.

 

As long as I, paying consumer, will profit from it or gain an advantage, then I frankly couldn't give a damn. Hell, I actually encourage such behaviour, because it's a good influence.

 

I will also praise whoever I want, thank you very much. You have an issue with that?

 

Let me put it this way.

 

You're on a BioWare forum praising a game from another company, and simultaneously degrading BioWare (and EA) for not following the same tactic.

 

If your motive in doing so is in hopes that BioWare would follow suit, then had you read my post you'd realize that they've been doing it all along.

 

If your motive in doing so is in hopes that all future companies always release free DLC irrespective of their size and format then you're delusional. The only free DLC you'll ever get amounts to small features and the occasional extra item much like all of the TW3 DLC and most of the DA2 weapon/armor free DLC. Any DLC that takes post-release work hours to complete is something that you WILL get charged for because they are productions independent of the main game itself.

 

If your motive is to simply praise CPDR as you put it, then you're on the wrong forum.

 

If your motive is to simply add fuel to the fire and ****** people off, then it's rather sad.

 

So there is literally nothing to gain from this discussion. I only sincerely hope people stop attempting to insult my and any other BioWare fan's intelligence by claiming that the free DLC released from CPDR is any shape or form superior to the free content released by BioWare through the additional content in patches, DLC, and MP.

 

I've said my piece. Take it as you will.

[Savber100]

The problem here OP is not the fact that Bioware fans don't like discussion or healthy criticism. 

The problem we have is that your post seems setup to incite a pointless flame war over how because CDPR has great business practices and that Bioware is somehow degraded over the business practices of its publishing company EA. 

If you're not, good for you... but stating "OH BIOWARE DID IT AGAIN... HUR HUR HUR LOOK AT CDPR'S FREE DLC"  in a Bioware forum and expecting good constructive feedback is delusional. 

So I pray that you're just a troll or have a serious lack of judgement... I am hoping for the latter. 

[Dreadstruck]

If you think I am degrading your precious Bioware, then you know what? Whatever. There's really nothing I can do about your misguided viewpoint and I frankly don't care much either. Also, last I saw, this thread was about DLCs from both companies, so that's what I am talking about here. You don't like it, take the issue with the OP, report this thread or ignore it if it causes you such a distress. It seems like an inflammatory thread anyway by the way he or she worded it.

 

Also, yes I do praise CDPR's DLCs because I simply like the quantity and quality of the content and wouldn't mind if other companies pulled such a stunt here and there now as well.

But here's the catch - I didn't even mentioned Bioware in my original post nor there was any comparison to them whatsoever since I don't have issue with their own DLC tactics, the main point I talked about was how some pissy people supposedly take issue with the concept of free stuff.

 

I also never even alluded to the ludicrous rubbish you've accused me of that their free DLCs are somehow inferior to CDPR's

(the only comparison that I probably made or alluded to was the amount of freebies for now, but seeing how Bio is still not done with Inquisition, I say it can still even out). If I wanted to, it would look a whole lot different so it sounds to me like you are projecting a bit out of whatever frustration you currently have because of TW being mentioned on these boards.

 

Anyway, I am not interested in discussing this anymore, it's obvious this is going nowhere. Like I said before, I just like free stuff.

You have issue with that, tough luck. I am not changing my stance anytime soon just because a random stranger on the internet feels 'insulted'.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

If you want, feel free having the last word, I am sure you'll enjoy it immensely. I am out of here.

[Lebanese Dude]

If you think I am degrading your precious Bioware, then you know what? Whatever. There's really nothing I can do about your misguided viewpoint and I frankly don't care much either. Also, last I saw, this thread was about DLCs from both companies, so that's what I am talking about here. You don't like it, take the issue with the OP, report this thread or ignore it if it causes you such a distress. It seems like an inflammatory thread anyway by the way he or she worded it.

 

Also, yes I do praise CDPR's DLCs because I simply like the quantity and quality of the content and wouldn't mind if other companies pulled such a stunt here and there now as well.

But here's the catch - I didn't even mentioned Bioware in my original post nor there was any comparison to them whatsoever since I don't have issue with their own DLC tactics, the main point I talked about was how some pissy people supposedly take issue with the concept of free stuff.

 

I also never even alluded to the ludicrous rubbish you've accused me of that their free DLCs are somehow inferior to CDPR's

(the only comparison that I probably made or alluded to was the amount of freebies for now, but seeing how Bio is still not done with Inquisition, I say it can still even out). If I wanted to, it would look a whole lot different so it sounds to me like you are projecting a bit out of whatever frustration you currently have because of TW being mentioned on these boards.

 

Anyway, I am not interested in discussing this anymore, it's obvious this is going nowhere. Like I said before, I just like free stuff.

You have issue with that, tough luck. I am not changing my stance anytime soon just because a random stranger on the internet feels 'insulted'.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

If you want, feel free having the last word, I am sure you'll enjoy it immensely. I am out of here.

 

 

P.S. You/Your is also a second person objective plural pronoun.

[SofaJockey]

Eh, you're right about that.  That was an overtly hostile potshot out of left field and for that I apologize.  Although I don't think there's a nicer way of accusing someone of being incredibly biased and/or favorable to a certain game company.   A fan of the boyish nature you would say. 

 

That's better.

In the interests of entente cordiale, I admit to liking BioWare's output in general and being a fairly optimistic soul who is easily pleased.

I'm certainly favourable to BioWare's games, though I'm not sure sure why I would be biased, it's just my view and is as good as anyone else's.

 

Back to the DLC - there was nothing wrong with the 16 pieces of CDPR DLC, and I was pleased to see them.

DAI could have done some trimming and introduced just the same, some 'free DLC' some armour, the 'fetch Druffy' quest, and some Skyhold nick nacks.

I still think CDPR's reasoning was as 'friendly DRM' but kudos to them, they played it well.

 

On the other hand, I confess somewhat of a 'meh' reaction to the 'Spoils of...' collections. 

Still looking forward to whatever larger DLC emerges in due course.

[Upinurmomshole]

Rome Total War 2 support was insanely good.