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[QuasaRo]

Biiiiig post coming.

So, great fan of the series here. I wanted to edit some conversation with the catalyst and even Leviathan IF i can.

I'm making some videos so I though about some ideas and came up with the two that might work. OK.

 

In one ending, Leviathans used to be the apex bla bla. Lesser species are tools.

But they could not protect them form themselves BECAUSE the more evolved species were destroying the lesser species in wars.. (we have many examples to make this kinda true. Look at human history alone. Where we enslaved those who we thaugh were inferior. Then you have maybe Inusannon who I think were an empire, Protheans for sure, and even uplifting the krogan almost destroyed them.) To solve this, they created an intelligence to preserve life bla bla. It turned on them and we know the rest. One goal, preservation of life. But no from synth, from advanced life.

When we meet Catalyst he says kinda the same things like in the original, but he instead says that he was created by those who recognized that conflict will always exist between more advanced species and younger ones. (because they will meddle or subjugate, can't actually make him say this, but its obvious ). So the reapers harvest advanced life, "making way for new life". Shepard says organics don't have to destroy each other. Removing some stuff, two choices remain. Destroy the reapers, or control them if you wanna become king of the galactic mountain or find a new solution. Maybe keep the peace.

Con of this plot: reapers are still controlled by that kid, but he does make a little more sense (maybe...maybe you find some flaws with this..let me know).

 

The other version. Don't know if i can edit leviathan conversation in this one. If not, the only option is to not play leviathan xD

 

As I will edit the subtitles, Catalyst is something else in this ending. Remember that text you found on some planet? "beings of light created to protect from machine devils?" That's what he is. A being of light. A construct created eons ago to understand and solve this conflict with the Reapers. But it has always failed. When shepard asks where the reapers come from, catalyst says they are a synthetic repr of their creators. They wanted to evolve, so they became the first reaper. To do what? Ascend or smth. It's kinda crazy, but their motives are still ambiguous which might not be bad. And nobody controls them. Maybe Harbinger, the oldest reaper. 

Cant edit everything, but connecting the dots, you understand that the first reaper was once a race that wanted to evolve(maybe obsessed with evolution and transcendence) so they found this insane way of doing it. And now they "save" everyone form the "chaos" of normal evolution and they do this "to create more of themselves".

Whether the crucible and the being of light were created by the same cycle is unknown ( you tell me. I can make the being of light say that it designed it, but then why did it fail xD ?)

Same, two endings. Destroy and end the threat, or control.

Cons? Why is the being of light in the citadel? Not the most important thing then and there, but hey xD

Don't know that I can make everything I wrote here work, but they are ideas. And before I start, I wanna know which you ppl think is interesting.

And IF you are a person that enjoyed the original plot and are here to tell me that I'm some kid that can't get over it, please do not respond to this thread. I already know I'm not gonna let go.

 

[CrutchCricket]

Con of this plot: reapers are still controlled by that kid,

Critical failure still present, rest doesn't matter.

 

It seems like you're trying to take away the circular logic but even without it, the premise that we need protection that comes in the form of genocide is still bullshit.

 

And what are you planning to do for the audio? Or are you going to play on mute?

 

If you really want fix it, start at the beginning- make the holokid a simple AI/VI that facilitates Crucible function and has nothing to do with the Reapers. Oh and make it anything but a holokid. Go from there.

[QuasaRo]

Thanks for replying! I see what you mean by critical failure xD I don't like the reapers being controlled by that stupid kid either. Just an idea. Well the thing in the first idea is im trying to remove the circular logic. However, it's not us he's protecting, but the younger races. Still, point taken. Second idea sounds better when you put it this way. Also, im not trying to put this in game, as i don't think thats possible (at least i don't know how, and it would be insanely hard to mod this). I'm gonna make a video. I will record and edit the conversation without music and sounds effects and add those on top. Might not be in the game, but I would take a video ending that makes sense over the original bull anyday. At least thats me.

[dorktainian]

There needs to be more information as to how the reapers came into being.  Leviathan is interesting but comes way too late for the player to understand the reapers motivation.  also....if you are going to edit the ending (please god someone fix that abomination) then I would look at it this way.

 

In the current endings we have Shepard and his 'breath scene'.  I would - if you are rejigging the whole shebang - re-write that so he struggles out the rubble, looks up in the sky, and sees everything he holds dear destroyed right before his eyes (much as the player sees the destruction of the mass relays and everything that entails).

 

Lets have an even more depressing ending than the one we have.

[Tim van Beek]

I don't like the reapers being controlled by that stupid kid either. 

Just turn it into a representation of Harbinger, who is the leader/master/mastermind/representative of the Reaper's hive mind.

 

 

Well the thing in the first idea is im trying to remove the circular logic. However, it's not us he's protecting, but the younger races. 

Let's say the Reapers step in when civilizations are becoming powerful enough to obliterate all life in the galaxy in whatever kind of conflict, including one with themselves. They hope that one day a civliization evolves that has enough moral maturity and control over its basic aggresive instinct that a harvest is no longer necessary. They investigate the evolution of civilizations in order to stimulate this development, they use the knowledge gained by a harvest for this. They think (or: thought) that based on this understanding, humans in general and Shepard in particular will never understand them. 

 

Just as an ant cannot understand a scientist studying ant hills.

 

I need to make sense of the Reapers telling Shepard again and again how vastly superiour their intellect is, and that Shepard will never understand them and their goals. Enter the spacekid and, whoops, it's all trivial, besides making no sense.

 

Also, why would the Reapers have any interest in controlling the evolution of civilizations in any way? If the organic/synthetic conflict is inevitable,  this makes no sense.