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#251
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They haven't proved him real or unreal, they still throwing evidence on both sides and to be honest, I doubt they will give a definitive answer, people are too susceptible, you see, they'll try to avoid any political controversy that they can.


It was a jest

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It was a jest


Fine, sorry about that.

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It was a jest

 

"It was but a simple jest ,a jibe to entertain my guest."

 

 

You should have turned that into an Elder Tree reference from DAO.

 


Devs:  "Leliana's survival will be explained in DA:I."
Leliana:  "The Maker did it."

 

No, the ashes did it. The ashes can basically heal any injury, and she died within feet of it. Is it so hard to imagine it somehow healed fatal injuries over the course of a year? Even healing a missing head? The ashes are rather powerful. Of course, the real reason is because they've been absorbing super pure lyrium for literally ages.



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No, the ashes did it. The ashes can basically heal any injury, and she died within feet of it. Is it so hard to imagine it somehow healed fatal injuries over the course of a year? Even healing a missing head? The ashes are rather powerful. Of course, the real reason is because they've been absorbing super pure lyrium for literally ages.


Except that the ashes was corrupted (defiled) hence why she turn on the Warden if you haven't harden her, if I remember correctly. There is no way a corrupted ashes still retain its original healing power. I think at this point the writers can simply *hand wave* and say that the ashes is that powerful even when corrupted, and I still call it bullshit.

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Except that the ashes was corrupted (defiled) hence why she turn on the Warden if you haven't harden her, if I remember correctly. There is no way a corrupted ashes still retain its original power of healing. I think at this point the writers can simply *hand wave* and say that the ashes is that powerful even when corrupted, and I still call it bullshit.


Who even said that actually removes their healing powers? You're only allowed to do so after they're corrupted just in case, but there's no proof either way that they lose their healing abilities at all.

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No, the ashes did it. The ashes can basically heal any injury, and she died within feet of it. Is it so hard to imagine it somehow healed fatal injuries over the course of a year? Even healing a missing head? The ashes are rather powerful. Of course, the real reason is because they've been absorbing super pure lyrium for literally ages.

Don't look at me.  I'm just paraphrasing what she said in DA:I.  Instead of an actual explanation, we get 'I died, then I woke up, so the Maker did it'.



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Who even said that actually removes their healing powers? You're only allowed to do so after they're corrupted just in case, but there's no proof either way that they lose their healing abilities at all.

And who even said that the ashes will retain its healing power after you defile it. I think it's a bit over the top if the ashes have the power to bring people back from the dead IMO. Eh, before you destroy the Ashes you only gather some of it to your pouch that you'll use to heal Arl Eamon, and as I said there's no proof that the Ashes retains its healing abilities after you pour the dragon blood into the urn, destroying the ashes so this argument can go on for a very long time. I'm not convinced that Leliana got better because the ashes heal her or help her head to grow back so long as BioWare cannot come up with a good explanation they'll always be "We are die hard fan boys/girls of Leliana, so we won't kill our darling.".

 

I have no problem with Leliana anyway, but this BioWare's lazy writing and the illusion of choice is very poor in my humble opinion. 



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Who even said that actually removes their healing powers? You're only allowed to do so after they're corrupted just in case, but there's no proof either way that they lose their healing abilities at all.


They would have to retcon the corruption of the ashes, maybe even say that the Dragon Blood boosted the healing power (still, that's stupid, because the Guardian was pissed and he didn't come back to life.) but even if they give that or any other explanation it will be pretty clear that they didn't mind it until Inquisition was released.

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They would have to retcon the corruption of the ashes, maybe even say that the Dragon Blood boosted the healing power (still, that's stupid, because the Guardian was pissed and he didn't come back to life.) but even if they give that or any other explanation it will be pretty clear that they didn't mind it until Inquisition was released.

 

Hence why i think her role should have gone to someone new.



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Hence why i think her role should have gone to someone new.

The dev probably thinks it's too much of a work for them to create another character and alternative scenario. Wish they could at least come up with a good explanation tbh.



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The dev probably thinks it's too much of a work for them to create another character and alternative scenario. Wish they could at least come up with a good explanation tbh.

 

Oh no, i wouldn't have even given her the job, it would have gone to a new character.

 

A mercenary bard would be the best bet.

 

Given ya know, you spend half the damn game in Orlais.



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Oh no, i wouldn't have even given her the job, it would have gone to a new character.

 

A mercenary bard would be the best bet.

 

Given ya know, you spend half the damn game in Orlais.

I myself wouldn't write her off, but I admit it'll be interesting to see if there's another candidate or we can choose our own spymaster for the Inquisition regardless of Leliana's fate in Origins.

 

Aye, that sound good. I kinda hope to see more of these Orlesian bard as well...oh well.
 



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Oh no, i wouldn't have even given her the job, it would have gone to a new character.
 
A mercenary bard would be the best bet.
 
Given ya know, you spend half the damn game in Orlais.


Who would also be eligible to be Divine? Yeah right.

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I myself wouldn't write her off, but I admit it'll be interesting to see if there's another candidate or we can choose our own spymaster for the Inquisition regardless of Leliana's fate in Origins.

Aye, that sound good. I kinda hope to see more of these Orlesian bard as well...oh well.


*nods*

I'd have done a lot of things differently for inquisition. A lot of it would do with casting.

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*nods*

I'd have done a lot of things differently for inquisition. A lot of it would do with casting.

Heh, I wasn't exactly pleased with everyone in the Inquisition either, if only we are allowed to build this organization by ourselves. At least, I want to call out my advisers sometimes, hell BioWare kept telling us one of the main theme of this game is "leadership" so why not let us manage the Inquisition. 



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Heh, I wasn't exactly pleased with everyone in the Inquisition either, if only we are allowed to build this organization by ourselves. At least, I want to call out my advisers sometimes, hell BioWare kept telling us one of the main theme of this game is "leadership" so why not let us manage the Inquisition.

I would have liked to fire Cullen and Leliana.
The first for allowing the Red Templars to corrupt the his subordinates under his nose, the second for being incompetent and being insubirdinate, ignoring your orders.

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Heh, I wasn't exactly pleased with everyone in the Inquisition either, if only we are allowed to build this organization by ourselves. At least, I want to call out my advisers sometimes, hell BioWare kept telling us one of the main theme of this game is "leadership" so why not let us manage the Inquisition.

Screw the characters, which kind of military leader is unable to actually lead even a single onslaught?, the HOF at least was able to call some reinforcements.
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Maybe Alistair misses the point with conscripting Loghain, but I'm still never going to pick Loghain over Alistair because of that. When it comes down to it, I can either roll with the guy who was my battle-brother for the last year, or some treasonous old fruitloop who just got his ass beat.

Since my warden was the tank i always left Alistair to sleep at camp or to Goldanna,anyway for my warden why choose one if i can have both?
AListair forced to be king and Loghain into the party(a useful tool against the AD ;) ),at that point the game was more interesting with a new companion to analyze from my Psychiatrist warden.


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So was I the only one that liked Sebastian till the last hour of the game? The whole "I going to burn this city down because I'm to noble to shoot Anders at point blank range" just killed his character for me.  Now, I just want to do this to Sebastian. :whistle:

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No, the ashes did it. The ashes can basically heal any injury,

Decapitation included?



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Decapitation included?

 

Dude, don't bother 



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Decapitation included?


I already mentioned it.

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So was I the only one that liked Sebastian till the last hour of the game? The whole "I going to burn this city down because I'm to noble to shoot Anders at point blank range" just killed his character for me. 

 

Blame Obligatory plot devices that mandate Hawke be responsible for dealing out justice to the terrorist formerly known as Anders.

 

People would have complained if Sebastian just killed Anders anyway even if you chose to spare him.



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I already mentioned it.

Is not convincing

 

 

 

 

 

 The ashes are rather powerful. Of course, the real reason is because they've been absorbing super pure lyrium for literally ages.

 

 

The ashes healing powers are independent of lyrium, they cured and saved Havard the Aegis before that the ashes were collected into the urn and placed into the mountain,(by Havard himself),Andraste and her ashes are more,definitely more than the word of a drunken dwarf from Orzammar.

http://dragonage.wik...hes_of_Andraste

The Andraste's Ashes are not infused with lyrium,even if lyrium is present into that mountain the lyrium dust cannot physically reach alone the ashes,which are placed distant from walls and they are packed tightly into the urn,with a cover if you didn't noticed.



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Is not convincing


The ashes healing powers are independent of lyrium, they cured and saved Havard the Aegis before that the ashes were collected into the urn and placed into the mountain,(by Havard himself),Andraste and her ashes are more,definitely more than the word of a drunken dwarf from Orzammar.
http://dragonage.wik..._Havard's_Aegis
http://dragonage.wik...hes_of_Andraste
The Andraste's Ashes are not infused with lyrium,even if lyrium is present into that mountain the lyrium dust cannot physically reach alone the ashes,which are placed distant from walls and they are packed tightly into the urn,with a cover if you didn't noticed.


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