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[Cee]

I think this is appropriate to put in here: http://dragonageconf...-the-few-peopleBecause it's what I think.

 

 

 

My views and my canon characters all fully support mage freedom. However, what he did isn't an action my Hawke would support, but neither is just killing him for it. There are circumstances that might have changed things otherwise. As Anders says to Fenris,

 

• Fenris: Did I hear correctly? You are an... abomination?
• Anders: Why don't you shout? I don't think everyone heard you.
• Fenris: Do you see yourself as harmless, then? An abomination who would never harm someone?
• Anders: Like ripping someone's heart out of his chest?
• Fenris: I did that at the behest of no demon.
• Anders: So we agree that it doesn't take a demon for someone to be a vicious killer? Good.
   

something about glass houses and stone throwing, etc.

 

[The Baconer]

I may dislike chantry and temps but I draw a line at hollow ground

 

[raging_monkey]

that's mean my nose is long that that lol

[Andraste_Reborn]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean he has right to turn on his friends and hurt even more innocent people, Aveline is reasonable and didn't like what Anders did either, he should have sent a team to chase Anders rather than beginning a bloody war.

 

Well, no. I picked Cullen's option at the war table as well. But I understood why Sebastian had gone off the deep end and still felt bad for him. (In much the same was as I understand why Anders blew up the Chantry in the first place, without condoning that either.)

[Cz-99]

The only good thing about Sebastian is his voice. But that's a given, a Scottish accent makes anything/anyone better. Other than that, he's just a Chantry nut, and they ain't welcome on mein crew (except for Leliana).

 

I liked Anders in Awakening, so I couldn't kill him in DA2 even though his cool-level dropped severely. Plus, keeping him alive allowed me to keep my healer who was also pretty swol when it came to DPS. Losing Chantry Nut and Emo Elf didn't bother me much and was a pretty good trade in mein opinion.

 

Don't recall the war-table mission dealing with him in DA:I tho. I probably just overlooked it or something.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I think this is appropriate to put in here: http://dragonageconf...-the-few-peopleBecause it's what I think.



My views and my canon characters all fully support mage freedom. However, what he did isn't an action my Hawke would support, but neither is just killing him for it. There are circumstances that might have changed things otherwise. As Anders says to Fenris,

• Fenris: Did I hear correctly? You are an... abomination?
• Anders: Why don't you shout? I don't think everyone heard you.
• Fenris: Do you see yourself as harmless, then? An abomination who would never harm someone?
• Anders: Like ripping someone's heart out of his chest?
• Fenris: I did that at the behest of no demon.
• Anders: So we agree that it doesn't take a demon for someone to be a vicious killer? Good.

something about glass houses and stone throwing, etc.

Yeah, except Fenris kills shitty, shitty people that I could care less about dying.

[BraveVesperia]

I'm pretty disappointed in him. I thought he was an ok guy in DA2, and his words at the end were just out of shock and bluster. Anders is alive in some of my PTs, since I roleplay different characters (shocking!), even though I dislike him.

 

I can understand Seb wanting to take revenge on Hawke personality, but jeez. Haven't the ordinary people in Kirkwall suffered enough?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, as i said in one thread sebastian is hypocritical manchild that couldn't stand that he didn't got what he wanted so decided to kill uninvolved people.

 

Unlike some people i m in no illusion that he is well-intentioned because it is obvious he attacked kirkwall not to restore order but as misplaced and childish revenge , as he does that only when Anders wasn't killed.Pretty much he outright says in da 2 he will burn kirkwall to the ground just because you didn't kill anders.

[dgcatanisiri]

This was my problem with it, too. He's no better than Anders at that point. He outright admits that he knows Anders isn't in Kirkwall anymore, but he's going to teach 'em a lesson for daring to ever let him set foot in their city anyway. Never mind that the mages there ran him off on their own and no one (except Hawke, depending) wants anything to do with him anymore. Sebastian just throws a fit because he apparently can't track him down on his own.

 

Edit: To answer your question, OP, I also picked Cullen's option there. it was one of the few times I was actually "Yes! Send in the troops!!!" Like....encourage Aveline to surrender?! Josephine's option I think?....Aveline's only defending her people. Sebastian's development didn't exactly surprise me, considering he kind of did promise to burn Kirkwall to the ground after I spared Anders. 

 

Josephine recommends staying out of it. Leliana is the one who wants to support Sebastian. Which kinda makes sense - Leliana's still in mourning for Justinia, who died at the Conclave meant to end the war that's using Anders' name as a rallying cry.

 

Still, yeah, I unquestioningly go along with Cullen on this one. Sebastian even acknowledges that a living Anders has long since fled Kirkwall. He just wants to get revenge, go after anyone who may have harbored him. He has learned nothing, he's stuck in the same place he was the day he puts that request on the Chanter's board. 'Someone hurt me, I hurt them back.' He is, effectively, the poster boy for the Chantry. After all, the foundation of their religion is 'mages killed our God's mortal prophet, therefore mages need to be locked up and be treated as subhuman.'

[andy6915]

He always was a whiny and childish little choir boy, only kept in check by Elthina. Him going off the deep end was pretty much expected.

 

Sebastian hater here, if it isn't obvious. Still worth getting though, at least for the 2 missions you get later on with his DLC.

[YourFunnyUncle]

In DA2 Anders was an idiot so obsessed by the "righteousness" of his cause that he didn't mind killing innocent people in Kirkwall to "advance" it.

 

If as Hawke you have the temerity not to summarily execute Anders on the street, then:

 

In DAI Sebastian is an idiot so obsessed by the "righteousness" of his cause that he didn't mind killing innocent people in Kirkwall  to "advance" it.

 

Both extremist loons. I don't have much time for either. It was fun helping Aveline to crush Sebastian's pathetic army, though.

[George-Kinsill]

So now thinking back on it, I think I remember why I let Anders lived in the play through (besides just needing a healer since my Hawke was a warrior). This was the play through where my Hawke went through the Legacy play through before the end and realized how wide spread the problem of corruption was around Kirkwall and was particularly upset by the death of his mother after learning of the two necromancers who caused it. Upon hearing Sebastian's response about Anders he just went full berserk mode and basically said go ahead and try since he sort of wanted Kirkwall to burn to the ground at that point.

 

As horrible as the above sounds, Hawke did not expect for Sebastian to still be invading well over a year into the future when Anders is clearly gone. My Inquisitor was also not Hawke and did not want Kirkwall annexed needlessly and thus sent Cullen to give Sebastian a sound thrashing and hopefully lead to Aveline taking over Kirkwall as Viscount with Donnic. 

[Aren]

I don't play fair with Sebastian.........

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[Nerevar-as]

Yeah, except Fenris kills shitty, shitty people that I could care less about dying.

Well, Kirkwall chantry was one of the biggest villains by inaction ever. Meredith has been openly off her mind for years and Elthina is all about compromising with her bs. And most people just watched, so not that I feel very sorry for them either. On the other side, Anders just wants to start a war, which is the best way to make everything worse for everybody. Should have killed him in retrospective. On the plus side, I called Fenris out on siding with an slaver in all but name and he came back to my side. Meredith's "any reason I should care" reaction was kind of funny too.

[Ieldra]

This was my problem with it, too. He's no better than Anders at that point. He outright admits that he knows Anders isn't in Kirkwall anymore, but he's going to teach 'em a lesson for daring to ever let him set foot in their city anyway. Never mind that the mages there ran him off on their own and no one (except Hawke, depending) wants anything to do with him anymore. Sebastian just throws a fit because he apparently can't track him down on his own.

 

Edit: To answer your question, OP, I also picked Cullen's option there. it was one of the few times I was actually "Yes! Send in the troops!!!" Like....encourage Aveline to surrender?! Josephine's option I think?....Aveline's only defending her people. Sebastian's development didn't exactly surprise me, considering he kind of did promise to burn Kirkwall to the ground after I spared Anders. 

Yup, same here. Aveline has done so much for Kirkwall, I'd never ask her to surrender to the likes of Sebastian, who has become the kind of fanatic whose designs I just love to thwart. Rarely was a decision so satisfying, small as it was in the context of things. Tweaking Sebastian's nose is its own reward Ask Anders and his line about about Sebastian's armor.....

[Kukuru]

I killed "Anders", not for that spoiled child Sebastian, i did it because it seemed right. After all that thing is not Anders, it's Vengeance.

Though the game you can see how he is losing his mind, at some point he even try to kill a fellow mage because she had a different opinion, his arc couldn't end well. 

I liked him in Awakening but had no sympathies for it in DA2.

 

Anyway if i had an state where he lives i'd side with Aveline since Sebastian is just becoming the same kind of jerk as Vengeance. He is unable to differ between innocents and people who is actually part of the war.

[raging_monkey]

Still think him living is the best imo

[Master Warder Z_]

He is unable to differ between innocents and people who is actually part of the war.

Hardly; he's there specifically for the Dragon Age version of Al Qaeda; his entire war table operation is clearly indicative he's only there for Mages and other supporters of that god awful manifesto.

It's not even a traditional land grab; He's not there for plunder or territory but the very people who kicked off a international war.

Bringing them to justice is hardly anything repugnant.

[raging_monkey]

I love how you use gross comparisons chief

[Cha0sEff3ct]

Josephine recommends staying out of it. Leliana is the one who wants to support Sebastian. Which kinda makes sense - Leliana's still in mourning for Justinia, who died at the Conclave meant to end the war that's using Anders' name as a rallying cry.

 

Still, yeah, I unquestioningly go along with Cullen on this one. Sebastian even acknowledges that a living Anders has long since fled Kirkwall. He just wants to get revenge, go after anyone who may have harbored him. He has learned nothing, he's stuck in the same place he was the day he puts that request on the Chanter's board. 'Someone hurt me, I hurt them back.' He is, effectively, the poster boy for the Chantry. After all, the foundation of their religion is 'mages killed our God's mortal prophet, therefore mages need to be locked up and be treated as subhuman.'

Actually Leliana doesn't really support Sebastian. She has agents infiltrate and get close Sebastian so that anything he plans the inquisition is aware of. It's superficial support while the inquisition also helps Aveline bolster defenses in Kirkwall.

[Master Warder Z_]

I love how you use gross comparisons chief

Uh actually compare tactics between terror organizations and their strikingly similar.

Bombings? Check.

Trying to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them? Check

Picking fights they can't win? Definite check!

Mass killings of non combatants? Check

Their founder/ Spiritual Guide is a complete blood lusting lunatic bent on global genocide? Check!



It's startling that I have about a dozen more comparisons and I didn't even have to think of it overly.

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually Leliana doesn't really support Sebastian. She has agents infiltrate and get close Sebastian so that anything he plans the inquisition is aware of. It's superficial support while the inquisition also helps Aveline bolster defenses in Kirkwall.

It still puts him at the Gates of Kirkwall; I'd hardly dismiss the support as "superficial" stalemates can only last so long besieging a city.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hardly; he's there specifically for the Dragon Age version of Al Qaeda; his entire war table operation is clearly indicative he's only there for Mages and other supporters of that god awful manifesto.

It's not even a traditional land grab; He's not there for plunder or territory but the very people who kicked off a international war.

Bringing them to justice is hardly anything repugnant.

Doubtful it is his real goal rather excuse, given that he attacks kirkwall only when anders was spared and again his threats toward kirkwall in da 2 only support it further.

[raging_monkey]

Maybe your just projecting lol

[Master Warder Z_]

Doubtful it is his real goal rather excuse, given that he attacks kirkwall only when anders was spared and again his threats toward kirkwall in da 2 support it .

He declared he'd leave nothing for Blood Mages to rule; so...I'd argue he's legitimately there for what he claims.