Wait was that part directed to me?
If so i have provided plenty of reasons to dismiss it from part about associates to "helping kirkwall" when pretty much he gave away his intentions of revenge on kirkwall because you spared anders from get go in da 2 , and then again there is fact the only factor that makes him attack kirkwall is sparing Anders and it is pretty much telling.
The problem with your reasoning is first, you are assuming Sebastian knows what we know. That most of the people who knew Anders either want nothing to do with him or are no longer in Kirkwall. Even that is debatable and dependent on your choices in game.
Second, you are clinging to something he said in the heat of the moment three years ago immediately after the Chantry explosion, and assuming that there is nothing more than that.
Yes, he attacks Kirkwall only if Anders is spared and there is no question that revenge is a prime motivator, but that doesn't mean he can't also sincerely believe that he is doing what's best for Kirkwall.
I abhor black and white morality. Situations are rarely that simple.
People just can't/don't want to accept that their "heroes" (or perhaps their favourite characters) are as bad as the other guys, while Alistair and Sebastian have their zealot fans using whatever excuse they have to make their bad actions look pretty, people hate Oghren to death for being a dirty drunk, who understands people?
Hmmm.
I don't pretend that Alistair is a perfect man. (Nor is Sebastian.) But I don't exaggerate their flaws.
Did Alistair make a mistake by leaving the Wardens? Yes. Absolutely. That's why he ends up a miserable drunk, drowning himself in alcohol to cope with the guilt and shame.
Do I fault his character for it? Nope.
As a player I've read The Stolen Throne, I've seen all the forum debates, I understand who Loghain is, what drives him and I know him to be a great general who will be loyal to me until the end. I know that David Gaider had said that Loghain didn't plan to betray Cailan in advance and only decided to quit the field the moment he signaled the retreat. I know the secret to defeating the Archdemon. I know that Alistair isn't just another soldier with a sword and shield, he's my main tank and pretty damn irreplaceable.
Alistair doesn't know all that, and neither does
The Warden.
Loghain earned his execution and sparing him is a terrible decision when made without metagaming. Alistair's reasons for objecting are completely sound.
Alistair's and Sebastian's arses were meant to be sitting on a throne away from Kirkwall or Antiva.
So now we think that Alistair should be King?
Also i don't get why people put Alistair into same bag that they put Sebastian , Alistair wanted revenge against guy who wronged him if you refuse to kill loghain he will leave (of course that still makes him quite hypocritical after all his talk about grey wardens doing what they have to) and that is about it ,when sebastian pretty much not only left but targeted entire city just because guy who wronged him used to live in that city.
Because if they don't demonize Alistair for having an understandably flawed human reaction that's actually backed by the knowledge available to the characters at the time, it's harder to justify their Loghain ******.
The only truly good reason The Warden had for sparing Loghain is Riordan's vague hint that they need more Wardens on hand, and that evaporates as soon as Alistair says "It's him or me. "
The only experience The Warden has with Loghain's military prowess is the disaster at Ostagar, as Alistair points out.
His reputation as a war hero should be in question to anyone except perhaps a human noble, who would likely be familiar with his actual history rather than just his legend.
His honor and trustworthiness should definitely be a question mark. Throughout the game he's used every shady tactic imaginable to secure his grip on Ferelden -- poisoning his competition, sowing dissent in the Circle, hiring assassins to eliminate The Wardens, kidnapping his own daughter, selling his subjects into slavery, and as far as the characters know planned to let his King die to grab power for himself then blamed the Wardens for it-- As Alistair points out.
Alistair is also a threat to his daughter just by breathing, so even if he was willing to overlook all of the above, he'd still have reason to fear letting Loghain fight at his side.
Yet, The Warden chooses to trust his life to him because. . .?
Alistair is wrong to quit the Wardens, but is certainly justified in being angry.
Because they hate mages, only get the crown to fulfill their mindless revenge, hurt innocents and hide under a sanctimonious' mask did I miss something?
Neither hate mages. Alistair gives them sanctuary in Redcliffe. If you execute Anders and side with the mages, Sebastian does as well and will even say "Not every mage is Anders."
Hardened Alistair wants to be King. Rival Sebastian wants to rule Starkhaven.
If he didn't exile her, Ferelden would become the laughing stock of Thedas and the nobles would lose confidence in their king.
True.
Alistair's always dreamed about having a real family though. If he knew she was his mother before the deal with Alexius, I think he might be foolish enough to forgive her if she turned on the waterworks.
On the topic of Alistair/Loghain.
When it comes down to it, I just prefer having Loghain to Alistair. Alistair was to me what Morrigan is to seemingly everybody else: that party member that disapproves of everything you do. I did not really dislike him (although, his letters as king and cameo appearance as Warden in Inquisition were so irritating that I retroactively wonder how I put up with him all that time). He just did not fit in. Loghain is more what I prefer.
Alistair's letters irritated me too, even as a fan, but in this case I blame poor writing rather than the character. Alistair was more mature than that at 19. Yes, he could be childish, blindly idealistic and tried too hard to be funny at times. He could also be serious when seriousness was required. When he wasn't, it was generally a deliberate use of humor to deflect or diffuse tension. This is him after 10 years ruling a nation? Pfft. If the messages had been addressed to Leliana instead of the Inquisition, maybe I'd let it pass. They weren't. So I can believe he regressed to unseen levels of immaturity despite shouldering the responsibility of ruling a country through hard times for a decade, or believe the writers were trying so hard to sound like 'funny Alistair', they didn't consider whether he'd actually sound like that when writing a formal request for aid from someone he either never met, or only met when exiling one of their allies.
I pick option 2.
I liked Warden Alistair though. His blind idealism didn't survive ten years as a Warden and he's gotten bitter. I approve of this change.
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