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[Panda]

Romance content and weapon choices actually affect the way the game is played to an extent, so I don't think those are entirely unreasonable requests......apart from the fact that multiplayer teams don't write characters (and thus romances) so that wouldn't actually help you get more romances, and insanity difficulty is merely a series of multipliers or value changes on enemy damage, accuracy, health values, shieldgate etc, so doesn't really add any extra development time.

Whoever makes the CC is probably a computer graphic designer. If they weren't working on it, they could probably model more of other, meaningful assets. Lets say more turian, drell or krogan females, perhaps? But no, lets have face sliders even though no one is going to react to whether or not I make my character a supermodel or give them down syndrome and a 15cm underbite.

 

The point of CC is allowing you to play as character you create. That point is important to many. If game has great CC sometimes I spent time creating characters on it without even playing the characters I do. So it's major part of the games for me that I always look forward unless there is set protagonist and I think set protagonist is only reason to not have CC in the game.

[Panda]

The problem I have with Bioware's CC is that it's too Euro-centric and 1-2 Black preset. There are no presets for Asian faces, and it's hard to make a non-white characters that look like the player if we want the character to represent us. I would at least be okay with if there are more presets of other races like Asians and Middle Easterners. 

 

That's true, I always struggle when trying to create Asian looking character, especially East Asian. I'd really prefer if presets that you can modify included people from different races/ethnicities so it would be easier to make character that looks Asian or black by modifying them.

[Arcian]

Out of all the people on youtube trying out this feature, did you have to pick DSP?

[Han Shot First]

I could do without some sort of face scanning feature. Its a completely pointless feature and a waste of resources, in my opinion. Not to mention the tech being far from perfect, as some of the horrifying/hilarious examples in this thread demonstrate.

 

Having said that...I also don't get the desire to self-insert either. So its probably a feature I'm pre-conditioned not to be interested in. 

[Broganisity]

I could do without some sort of face scanning feature. Its a completely pointless feature and a waste of resources, in my opinion. Not to mention the tech being far from perfect, as some of the horrifying/hilarious examples in this thread demonstrate.

 

Having said that...I also don't get the desire to self-insert either. So its probably a feature I'm pre-conditioned not to be interested in. 

The only reason I'd use the feature myself is so that I can make a decent Arnold Schwarzenegger (It brings me great pride that I can type that last name without errors.)

[sjsharp2011]

The only reason I'd use the feature myself is so that I can make a decent Arnold Schwarzenegger (It brings me great pride that I can type that last name without errors.)

Agreed I only really trieds using it once t oput myswelf into Fifa in Be a pro mode it worked out OK but I never really played with it much.

[Golden_Persona]

Take Inquisition's CC but add better hair and stop using sliders for hair colors already.

[Quarian Master Race]

Quarians were a superfluous race and a waste of resources. They could have just made female Turians, Krogan and Batarians instead of making Quarians.

The entire 2 game Rannoch arc and most of the characters would not have been the same if not for the unique characteristics of the quarian species. They play a major role in and you can't play through the games without reacting to them in some way. Further, they were literally responsible for creating one of the most ubiquitious antagonist factions in the series, further increasing their importance.

The CC is a superfluous feature. You can go through an entire playthrough without even knowing it exists, and nothing about the plot, narrative or gameplay changes in any way from using it or not using it.

Dumb false equivalence is dumb. Don't get buttmad that I'm calling the CC for what it is, the adult analogue to playing barbie dress up.

[Killroy]

So the Quarians are important because they're important? If they had never been in the games you would never miss them. They could have just said the Geth wiped them out.

[Legendary Hero]

Out of all the people on youtube trying out this feature, did you have to pick DSP?

I think DSPGaming was the best example lol.

[DaemionMoadrin]

So the Quarians are important because they're important? If they had never been in the games you would never miss them. They could have just said the Geth wiped them out.

 

Knowing BioWare we would have found the last living Quarian in a stasis pod in ME2 then, she would have been the tech genius on our crew.

[Legendary Hero]

I could do without some sort of face scanning feature. Its a completely pointless feature and a waste of resources, in my opinion. Not to mention the tech being far from perfect, as some of the horrifying/hilarious examples in this thread demonstrate.

 

Having said that...I also don't get the desire to self-insert either. So its probably a feature I'm pre-conditioned not to be interested in. 

Lol, did you even look at the pictures I posted, this is new technology, not some 2007 template uploading technology that couldn't do anything.

[Legendary Hero]

I could do without some sort of face scanning feature. Its a completely pointless feature and a waste of resources, in my opinion. Not to mention the tech being far from perfect, as some of the horrifying/hilarious examples in this thread demonstrate.

 

Having said that...I also don't get the desire to self-insert either. So its probably a feature I'm pre-conditioned not to be interested in. 

And the face scanning feature would probably not take up a lot of BioWare's resources as it is already developed, and might just be adapted to the Mass Effect Game Engine, Character Rendering, and Character Creating.

 

I think the Developer kind of confirmed that they are using face scanning technology, as he said something like "We are not going to spoil that yet." but I am not sure.

[Legendary Hero]

The entire 2 game Rannoch arc and most of the characters would not have been the same if not for the unique characteristics of the quarian species. They play a major role in and you can't play through the games without reacting to them in some way. Further, they were literally responsible for creating one of the most ubiquitious antagonist factions in the series, further increasing their importance.

The CC is a superfluous feature. You can go through an entire playthrough without even knowing it exists, and nothing about the plot, narrative or gameplay changes in any way from using it or not using it.

Dumb false equivalence is dumb. Don't get buttmad that I'm calling the CC for what it is, the adult analogue to playing barbie dress up.

Why do you even play the game if you don't like how it was made in the first place? You literally criticized some of the main plot of all three Mass Effect Games.

[DaemionMoadrin]

And the face scanning feature would probably not take up a lot of BioWare's resources as it is already developed, and might just be adapted to the Mass Effect Game Engine, Character Rendering, and Character Creating.

 

I think the Developer kind of confirmed that they are using face scanning technology, as he said something like "We are not going to spoil that yet." but I am not sure.

 

How many consoles and PCs even have a camera that could be used for this? Does it make sense to dedicate resources to face scanning when only a third of all players are even able to use it?

[Legendary Hero]

How many consoles and PCs even have a camera that could be used for this? Does it make sense to dedicate resources to face scanning when only a third of all players are even able to use it?

Does no one watch the video?

 

I think scanning your face on the computer is easier than scanning it on the Xbox one Kinect.

 

Pretty much the idea is for the player to upload a picture, a side profile of the player who wants to use the technology, upload a front view also, upload them both to gameface. It's easy, you can see it in the video.

 

Have not tested out the Kinect, but it seems like it would be easy also.

 

Most players of Mass Effect: Andromeda will most likely have a Kinect

 

and those who play on the computer can literally just upload photos (I think).

 

So most likely a large majority of the players would be able to use Face-scanning technology from EA games.

[Legendary Hero]

You can even tell how accurate the scanner is because it literally copies the hilarious face he's making (I think):

 

 

[Killroy]

Most players of Mass Effect: Andromeda will most likely have a Kinect

...wrong. PS4 has a MUCH larger install base than XBone and Microsoft isn't even pushing the Kinect any more. A major selling feature of the XBone now is that you DON'T have to buy the Kinect. It's a gimmick that hardly anyone even uses.

[Wulfram]

Can the face scanner make good expressive faces?  These sports games don't really need their characters to be convincing actors.

[Legendary Hero]

...wrong. PS4 has a MUCH larger install base than XBone and Microsoft isn't even pushing the Kinect any more. A major selling feature of the XBone now is that you DON'T have to buy the Kinect. It's a gimmick that hardly anyone even uses.

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Xbox One is most frequently bought with the kinect.

 

And I also think a player can use the Computer to update their Gameface to Xbox One or PS4, but I am not able to confirm this yet.

[Killroy]

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Xbox One is most frequently bought with the kinect.

Sales of the XBone were stagnant until they started selling it without the Kinect. Sales literally doubled when players no longer had to buy the Kinect.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

So the Quarians are important because they're important? If they had never been in the games you would never miss them. They could have just said the Geth wiped them out.

Or the other way around, because your argument is still a false equivalence that can universally be applied to anything the universe or games contain in their current form. One could remove humans, the Reapers, eezo and space travel as well, and according to your logic no one would ever miss them, and it would be the same game. They're important because they have an objectively unique role in the plot and narrative as it is which enables it to function, and it wouldn't otherwise functionin the same manner without them. You're asking to modify the games in a significant manner that would require a rewrite of the plots of all 3 games (2 of them significantly). I'm simply asking to trim some fat that isn't relevant to anything relating to how the gameplay or narrative functions. One thing materially adds to and impacts the setting and gameplay, the other doesn't.

What does the CC provide upon which its deletion would objectively impact the gameplay, narrative or lore of the universe in any relevant manner? It's a reskin feature, equivalent to CoD gun camos. Better to dispense with it and repurpose the graphic design resources for additional unique content, such as lots of quarians.
 

Why do you even play the game if you don't like how it was made in the first place? You literally criticized some of the main plot of all three Mass Effect Games.

uhh, because I'm not a mindless drone and can like some things overall despite their containing undesirable features? To use your logic, why do you play this game if you think the CC is imperfect and thus requires a "solution" as per your thread title? Why do you keep trying to stifle all opinions contrary to yours with No true Scotsmen? Need I explain to you what the purpose of a forum is?

[Cainhurst Crow]

No depth sliders. Every character has the same flat face from the side. Overall one of the worst cc's out there.

 

You have not played games such as Tera or Elder Scrolls game if you think that.

[Killroy]

One could remove humans, the Reapers, eezo and space travel as well, and according to your logic no one would ever miss them, and it would be the same game.

DURRRRRRR!   

Your entire point is moot because you can take out most things and no one would know any better. The CC is important to a lot of people and is in no way fluff or superfluous to them.
 

What does the CC provide upon which its deletion would objectively impact the gameplay, narrative or lore of the universe in any relevant manner? It's a reskin feature, equivalent to CoD gun camos.

No, it's a player feature that allows the player to connect more closely with the character. Why not remove everything that gives players more agency and control? Take out dialogue choices. Take out armor customization. Take out everything that doesn't impact combat, story and lore.
You're trying to move the goalposts by making this all about gameplay and lore.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

DURRRRRRR!  

Thank you for that illuminating response. Not being sarcastic at all here, it's as intelligently expounded as any of the other verbal diarrhea you've disgorged up to this point. Further, when your argument is terrible and based solely upon ad populum, calling the other person a retard makes it so much better. You're clearly not buttmad.
 

 

No, it's a player feature that allows the player to connect more closely with the character. Why not remove everything that gives players more agency and control? Take out dialogue choices. Take out armor customization. Take out everything that doesn't impact combat, story and lore.

You're trying to move the goalposts by making this all about gameplay and lore.

What agency and control does it give you? Dialouge choices (or at least the ones that actually result in different permutations) have reactivity and in some cases modify the narrative. Armor customization has an impact upon game mechanics via stat benefits and tradeoffs. Everything impacting combat, story and lore is an extremely broad category, and comparing removal of all of it to removal of the CC is slippery slope. None of those are comparable to the CC unless you are comparing only specific aspects (such as colouring of the armor, also useless).

Move the goalpoasts from where? When have I ever argued from a different perspective?  I stated it was a useless feature, and first elucidated why in response to a similar argument to the one you are making near the bottom of page 2, mentioning its nonexistent effect on how the game is actually played (specifically its lack of effect upon NPC reactivity and a rebuttal to other false equivalences made with weapons and romance content). Everything after has merely built upon that.