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[The Arbiter]

Alrighty, so, going to go on a little tirade about my thoughts on marriage in real life before giving my opinions on whether it should be included in the game.

 

In real life I am vehemently against it. I think it's an artificial social construct. I do not believe it is inherently an expression of love, I do not believe it strengthens commitment. At best I find the whole thing to be a pointless waste of money and at worst I find it to be a lie people tell themselves will fix a relationship that is beyond repair. I take that back; at worst it's a sale of property, but that is rarely the case in the western world these days.

 

I personally believe that if two people love each other, want to be with each other, want to stay with each other for the rest of their lives, then that is all they need. That mutual desire, respect, and commitment between them. I don't think there is any reason to put on a song and dance, make a circus out of it, and have their love declared by a religious authority, justice of the peace, or captain of a ship. The decision to commit to one another is between the two people making that commitment and no one else, and a metal ring with an overpriced rock on it isn't going to make that commitment any stronger.

 

If two people want to get married, that's fine, that's their choice. I just don't see the need for it, and it certainly isn't for me.

 

Now, as to whether or not it should be included in the game.

 

Personally I would not have a problem with the option, and I stress, option of marriage being available so long as Andromeda's plot takes place on a reasonable time scale for it. Certainly a longer period of time than any of the previous games individually covered.

As a law student... your offspring will have a difficult time in claiming your real or personal property if no marriage or will is executed / is conducted... just sayin.  

 

ON TOPIC: It is a GAME YOU HAVE A CHOICE EITHER TO BANG OR NOT TO BANG or get married! more choices! and it's great you agree with more choices!

[Grieving Natashina]

Heh, I was joking.

 

If BSN ever elects a president, then I'd vote for you.

You give me far more credit than I deserve.  Thank you.  

 

Besides, are you crazy?  I'd never run for such a title.  I want to keep enjoying most of my time on the forums and enjoying the games.  

 

I do appreciate the compliment though.

[dreamgazer]

I dunno. The geth are kind of disposable, since their primary function was to be an enemy faction. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

They're also seen as untrustworthy by nearly everyone up until post-Rannoch, and it's incredibly tentative after that.

I strongly doubt we're seeing the geth again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I strongly doubt we're seeing the geth again.

No Geth? 

[Grieving Natashina]

Out of all the races the least likely to end up in ME:A, that's probably number one.  If this "ark" is formed before the end of ME3, then no one could know if Shepard allowed the Reaper code to upload.  That means that no one has any reason to trust the geth and sure wouldn't let them on board.  I doubt it was common knowledge that Shepard had worked with a geth either.  

 

We should remember that much of what Shepard knew was classified or otherwise altered for the public in all three games.  The news reports in ME1 and ME2 are the clearest signs of this, along with the truth about Sovereign being hidden in the Citadel Archives.  If no one knew about him/her working with the geth, and they left before the Quarians and the Geth made peace (or died,) then no one would have any reason to trust them.  Then there is the matter of them having Reaper tech, which was completely inseparable from the geth if they survived and Shepard made peace.  

 

That being said, I can see a whole lot of former Geth platforms and ships laying around, even before the peace talks began.  We might get an Admiral Xen on our hands and see some mind-wiped and reprogrammed geth around.  That's not impossible, and I'd be open to the idea.  

 

I wouldn't get your hopes up though.  I think we're going to see some new varieties of AI.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Out of all the races the least likely to end up in ME:A, that's probably number one.  If this "ark" is formed before the end of ME3, then no one could know if Shepard allowed the Reaper code to upload.  That means that no one has any reason to trust the geth and sure wouldn't let them on board.  I doubt it was common knowledge that Shepard had worked with a geth either.  

 

We should remember that much of what Shepard knew was classified or otherwise altered for the public in all three games.  The news reports in ME1 and ME2 are the clearest signs of this, along with the truth about Sovereign being hidden in the Citadel Archives.  If no one knew about him/her working with the geth, and they left before the Quarians and the Geth made peace (or died,) then no one would have any reason to trust them.  Then there is the matter of them having Reaper tech, which was completely inseparable from the geth if they survived and Shepard made peace.  

Regardless of what happens on Rannoch, there are Geth that are seen as allies by the rest of the galaxy though. 

 

I wouldn't get your hopes up though.  I think we're going to see some new varieties of AI.  

One of these days I'll have to get something I want in this new 'Mass Effect' game, right? Right? 

[Grieving Natashina]

It's Mass Effect.  I feel confident in saying that a conflict between organics and synthetics won't be the main story arc.  If I'm wrong, oh well, but it looks like it's shaping up to be quite different.  In any case, I don't see a single reason why we wouldn't have new AI to see.  The devs did state that it takes place centuries from now at E3, so it would seem silly that someone somewhere didn't create AI tech.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's Mass Effect.  I feel confident in saying that a conflict between organics and synthetics won't be the main story arc.  If I'm wrong, oh well, but it looks like it's shaping up to be quite different.  In any case, I don't see a single reason why we wouldn't have new AI to see.  The devs did state that it takes place centuries from now at E3, so it would seem silly that someone somewhere didn't create AI tech.

But those new AI aren't the Geth. It won't be the same. 

[Grieving Natashina]

 

 

Of course it won't be the same.  What are you expecting at this point? 

 

It's a new game, probably leading into a new trilogy.  Sorry, but if you want exactly the same as the geth, then play the original trilogy.  Otherwise, you're really setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

Edit: 

 

Proof that "more of the galaxy" sees the geth as allies outside of Rannoch.  These Quarians and others would have left well before Rannoch, if the ark theory is true.  Rannoch is where they proved themselves as allies, not before.  Beforehand, the galaxy was scared of them. 

 

A key thing to remember is that the geth themselves, outside of Legion, weren't very active with organics directly.  Legion even states as such.  The most exposure people have is with the heretics.  Again, Shepard's exploits had been shown more than once to be classified.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Of course it won't be the same.  What are you expecting at this point?  

 

It's a new game, probably leading into a new trilogy.  Sorry, but if you want the same, then play the original trilogy.  Otherwise, you're really setting yourself up for disappointment.

I'm expecting it to be mostly the same, considering it is being sold as a Mass Effect game. Doing so implies it will have a lot of the stuff that the other games in the franchise had. Otherwise it may as well be a new IP. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I'm expecting it to be mostly the same, considering it is being sold as a Mass Effect game. Doing so implies it will have a lot of the stuff that the other games in the franchise had. Otherwise it may as well be a new IP. 

 

Compare it to Star Trek then. You have one big franchise, one big IP... but within there are several series. TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise are only loosely connected, each stands on their own.

 

Each series was different from the others, but they were still Star Trek.

 

ME:A is going to be our TNG now. Although I hope for some DS9 as well.

[KaiserShep]

The comparison to Star Trek is a bit tricky though, since there was a lot of overlap and characters that ended up being part of multiple series, like Worf, O'Brien, etc.. Voyager does get away from it though, since most of the time the ship is way out of familiar territory for most of the series, and I liked it more than DS9 (which is ridiculously overrated imo).

[Grieving Natashina]

I love this site sometimes.

 

We've gone from marriage to RL religion to talking about what makes the Mass Effect series what it is.  

[DaemionMoadrin]

The comparison to Star Trek is a bit tricky though, since there was a lot of overlap and characters that ended up being part of multiple series, like Worf, O'Brien, etc.. Voyager does get away from it though, since most of the time the ship is way out of familiar territory for most of the series, and I liked it more than DS9 (which is ridiculously overrated imo).

 

It's not a perfect comparison but I'm still rather proud of it. DS9 was awesome while Voyager had some pretty weird episodes (transwarp lizards!).

[KaiserShep]

It's not a perfect comparison but I'm still rather proud of it. DS9 was awesome while Voyager had some pretty weird episodes (transwarp lizards!).

 

I guess my problems lie squarely with my dislike of Sisko, particular dislike for Jake, and I was so sick of the Bajorans that I kind of wished that they went extinct. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Compare it to Star Trek then. You have one big franchise, one big IP... but within there are several series. TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise are only loosely connected, each stands on their own.

 

Each series was different from the others, but they were still Star Trek.

 

ME:A is going to be our TNG now. Although I hope for some DS9 as well.

Star Trek still had a lot of things similar show up throughout each of the series. They all took place in the same galaxy for starters. Add to that similar tech, similar lore, the major races, etc. At least the series I remember. 

 

I love this site sometimes.

 

We've gone from marriage to RL religion to talking about what makes the Mass Effect series what it is.  

That's a perfectly logical train of thought.

I'd love to go back on topic, but that'd just result in more people trying crush my hopes and dreams for this game. So like now, but with a different subject. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't understand, Hana.  I've been reading the entire thread, and you know what?  I've seen plenty of people mention that they would be fine with it as an option for some LIs.  Someone with the personality like, say, Iron Bull, would not be for marriage.  You can even tease him about it in the romance.  

 

However, for someone like Cullen, that would be a nice touch for to include as a part of a final DLC for DA:I.  Unlikely, but I can certainly see him proposing to the Inquistior.

 

If we want to get into ME, Garrus asks if Shepard wants to be "a one turian woman" and they start talking about kids in the future.  Liara and Shep talk about their commitment to each other and also talk about children.   I'm not sure about Tali, but she seems like the type to want to get married as well.  BioWare hasn't shown a wedding on screen yet, but it's not like all the LIs are anti-marriage.  If a LI in ME:A is written as wanting to get married, then I'm for it.  

 

I don't think the request is so much about marriage at this point as it is about seeing an on-screen wedding.  I'm okay with this, although if this is another trilogy, I would prefer that to be near the end.

 

I installed a mod for Origins so I could see the wedding between Alistair and my Cousland Warden, so I hope you can tell I'm not against the idea.  I think it would be a nice touch for an option built into ME or DA games (in other words, not requiring mods.)  However, I don't want every LI arc to end in a wedding or marriage anymore than I really want every LI arc to end in sex.  Keep it optional, and I think it's all hunky-dory.

[Former_Fiend]

As a law student... your offspring will have a difficult time in claiming your real or personal property if no marriage or will is executed / is conducted... just sayin.  

 

ON TOPIC: It is a GAME YOU HAVE A CHOICE EITHER TO BANG OR NOT TO BANG or get married! more choices! and it's great you agree with more choices!

 

Not an issue. Only thing I'm going to have to leave to my (hypothetical) kids is debt.

 

As for the geth talk, I agree it's unlikely, but from a logistics stand point, sentient, friendly geth would be at the top of my list for things to include on the ARK. They're the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, they're immortal, they represent the most space and energy efficient option in terms of transport, and they'd be great maintenance work for the trip(I'm still working under the assumption that cryostasis is involved here.) All the obstacles to their inclusion are purely from a "do we want to spend resources animating and voicing all these npc's that may or may not be in the game for some people?" type question.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't understand, Hana.  I've been reading the entire thread, and you know what?  I've seen plenty of people mention that they would be fine with it as an option for some LIs.  Someone with the personality like, say, Iron Bull, would not be for marriage.  You can even tease him about it in the romance.  

 

However, for someone like Cullen, that would be a nice touch for to include as a part of a final DLC for DA:I.  Unlikely, but I can certainly see him proposing to the Inquistior.

 

If we want to get into ME, Garrus asks if Shepard wants to be "a one turian woman" and they start talking about kids in the future.  Liara and Shep talk about their commitment to each other and also talk about children.   I'm not sure about Tali, but she seems like the type to want to get married as well.  BioWare hasn't shown a wedding on screen yet, but it's not like all the LIs are anti-marriage.  If a LI in ME:A is written as wanting to get married, then I'm for it.  

 

I don't think the request is so much about marriage at this point as it is about seeing an on-screen wedding.  I'm okay with this, although if this is another trilogy, I would prefer that to be near the end.

 

I installed a mod for Origins so I could see the wedding between Alistair and my Cousland Warden, so I hope you can tell I'm not against the idea.  I think it would be a nice touch for an option built into ME or DA games (in other words, not requiring mods.)  However, I don't want every LI arc to end in a wedding or marriage anymore than I really want every LI arc to end in sex.  Keep it optional, and I think it's all hunky-dory.

The  was meant to signal that I was only being half-serious. I know there have been several people who have been okay with it as an option, they just tend to be drowned out by the people who don't want even that being a lot more vocal. 

Don't mention the teasing. Every time you can bring it up in DAI and DA2 it is the butt of a joke.

But yeah, there are a few in each game that it would work as an option. The problem is they never go with that option. Hopefully that changes in future titles. Especially in ME since there are no lore issues in that IP. 

[The Arbiter]

Not an issue. Only thing I'm going to have to leave to my (hypothetical) kids is debt.

 

As for the geth talk, I agree it's unlikely, but from a logistics stand point, sentient, friendly geth would be at the top of my list for things to include on the ARK. They're the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, they're immortal, they represent the most space and energy efficient option in terms of transport, and they'd be great maintenance work for the trip(I'm still working under the assumption that cryostasis is involved here.) All the obstacles to their inclusion are purely from a "do we want to spend resources animating and voicing all these npc's that may or may not be in the game for some people?" type question.

debt? you mean you want your kids to take responsibility for your own debts and obligations? not sure about your laws but if I am not mistaken your estate will be liquidated for your own debts at the time of your death not the heirs which is your hypothetical kids. Which means you really don't want them to inherit something? xD

[9TailsFox]

No Geth? 

[Grieving Natashina]

debt? you mean you want your kids to take responsibility for your own debts and obligations? not sure about your laws but if I am not mistaken your estate will be liquidated for your own debts at the time of your death not the heirs which is your hypothetical kids. Which means you really don't want them to inherit something? xD

You can do that without a marriage license, easily.  For one, you should make a will.  That makes much more difference.  Anyone that doesn't do so regardless of marital status or heir status will have their assets liquidated.  A marriage license doesn't change that, at least in my state.   Depending upon the company, you can designate someone that isn't legally married or related to you as the beneficiary of your life insurance policy as well as stock options and 401K benefits .  Finally, part of the assets will be liquidated anyways to pay off debt, regardless of designated heirs.  

[Former_Fiend]

debt? you mean you want your kids to take responsibility for your own debts and obligations? not sure about your laws but if I am not mistaken your estate will be liquidated for your own debts at the time of your death not the heirs which is your hypothetical kids. Which means you really don't want them to inherit something? xD

 

It means I'm not going to have anything for them to inherit, period, so the lack of a marriage getting in the way of them inheriting is kind of a non-issue.

 

 

 

 

I installed a mod for Origins so I could see the wedding between Alistair and my Cousland Warden, so I hope you can tell I'm not against the idea.  I think it would be a nice touch for an option built into ME or DA games (in other words, not requiring mods.)  However, I don't want every LI arc to end in a wedding or marriage anymore than I really want every LI arc to end in sex.  Keep it optional, and I think it's all hunky-dory.

 

Personally I don't want any romance arc to end in sex. I don't like how it's treated as a reward for players going through the relationship to the end. Sex as a reward is a bad practice in real life and I think using it as that in a game helps reinforce that mindset. 

[The Arbiter]

 

It means I'm not going to have anything for them to inherit, period, so the lack of a marriage getting in the way of them inheriting is kind of a non-issue.

 

 

 

Personally I don't want any romance arc to end in sex. I don't like how it's treated as a reward for players going through the relationship to the end. Sex as a reward is a bad practice in real life and I think using it as that in a game helps reinforce that mindset. 

you monster 

 

[Grieving Natashina]

 

Personally I don't want any romance arc to end in sex. I don't like how it's treated as a reward for players going through the relationship to the end. Sex as a reward is a bad practice in real life and I think using it as that in a game helps reinforce that mindset. 

 

 

Fair enough.  I don't see it as a reward, and that's just me.  I can certainly see where you're coming from, so I mean no disrespect.  That's why I stress the word "optional."  I've been a supporter of Hana/Daisy's thread in the Feedback section for months now, and I've been hoping that they give the players the option for the arc to end in sex or just in a cuddle-session or nice dinner.  Sex with the one you love is wonderful, and there is nothing like it.  However, those quiet moments of holding and talking are just as important and need to be showcased more.  

 

I don't want it to be mandatory for the reasons you stated.