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[LightningPoodle]

Would love to see that evidence.

 

Because sex is fun and healthy?

Because it's a good thing to know if you're sexually compatible with your partner before committing?

Because you don't gain anything from waiting till marriage, especially not as a guy?

Because the whole "you shouldn't have sex before marriage" -nonsense is outdated and actually somewhat oppressive?

Because you're only young once and you might regret not living your youth to the fullest once you're old and committed to someone who turns out to be not all that sexually compatible with you?

Because monogamy is against our human nature and not having sex before marriage even more so?

 

The list goes on.

 

[themikefest]

They are there WITH YOU through at least 2 of the 3 major events of the trilogy. Hitting Ilos and stopping Saren and Soveriegn. Going through the Omega 4 Relay and stopping the Collectors. And attacking the Cerberus Headquarters, followed promptly by touching down on earth and stopping the Reapers. Garrus and Tali are there (unless they weren't recruited in ME1) alongside you through all 3. Ashley/Kaidan and Liara are there for the other 2. All the other romance options are only there through 1 of the events. That, to me, does not provide enough time together for them to get married.

 

Don't get me wrong, Jack's romance was my favourite. I'm not signalling out because of what romances I did or did not like.

So those events make the difference? So the others will have to wait for another game to have a major event to happen for them to be considered marriage material?

 

What do you say to couples who get married after a short time like within a few months? I know a couple of couples that got married within 6 six months after meeting and one couple that got married after two weeks of meeting each other

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be fair, that's all your opinion the same goes for me and the other poster above. IMO I'd rather wait and have sex with the right partner rather than sticking my d!ck with every women I see only to find out she isn't the right one or she also had a previous d!ck in her... why are we even talking about this? 

Because apparently wanting a love interest who is of the "wait until marriage" mindset is bad. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I think we should be able to pair any squadmate together. The more battle they stay together, the better the relationship, and once you have reached the S rank relationship, they will get married. They then have kids and the kids have classs like biotic or soldier based on the parents. Their stats would demand on what they inherit from their parents. If it's the main character, the kid will gain every class possible. 

[Larry-3]

Half of you would probably cheat on your wife if there was or is a marriage option.

(Meanwhile, in Andromeda..)

Alien wife: Baby, I am glad you only love me. Did you have fun on the hub world? You were down there a long time.

You: (With red scars and glowing eyes) Yes, I only love you. No I did not do much of anything down there.

[LightningPoodle]

So those events make the difference? So the others will have to wait for another game to have a major event to happen for them to be considered marriage material?

 

What do you say to couples who get married after a short time like within a few months? I know a couple of couples that got married within 6 six months after meeting and one couple that got married after two weeks of meeting each other

 

Honestly, I think that's a silly idea. I would never personally do it.

[themikefest]

Honestly, I think that's a silly idea. I would never personally do it.

You may not do it, but people do. So that would mean that all LI's should be marriage material regardless of time or events.

[dreamgazer]

Yes. About 10 million people in one country proves my millions upon millions of people wait statement.

Does that make it uncommon, though? Ratios are important here.
 

Who said it would another step just be for opposite-sex romances?

Nobody. You're the one who drew the parallel between the two by mentioning the percentages.

Premarital Sex =/= Gay Romance.

You can have an opposite-sex relationship with or without premarital sex. You can't have same-sex relationship without a gay romance option.

[Daemul]

Threads in this section are getting more dumb with each passing day.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Does that make it uncommon, though? Ratios are important here.
 

Nobody. You're the one who drew the parallel between the two by mentioning the percentages.

Premarital Sex =/= Gay Romance.

You can have an opposite-sex relationship with or without premarital sex. You can't have same-sex relationship without a gay romance option.

I'm not debating whether it's common. I was debating someone who said it isn't normal. 

 

I'm not talking about ratios. I was replying to you saying "but allowing for same-sex romance isn't the same as adding another step in the opposite-sex romance.". If I misunderstood your meaning, I apologize. But it read like you were saying this would only benefit heterosexual relationships.

[rashie]

Still waiting for good reasons. I mean objectively good, not subjectively good.

Well, that having sex or at least masturbating is healthy is an objective fact that there have been studies done on, the rest can be debated from a moral viewpoint and is subjective.

[Quarian Master Race]

Everyone bickering over premarital snu snu horseshit, I just want you to know that you have ruined a wonderful thread that had great purity for the first few pages.

Also, I don't see the need to explicitly include such specific a feature in a series that has so many fade to black romance scenes and leaves the dialogue rather ambiguous and vague in several of them. Homosexual marriages are a different story, because you can't just interpret that someone turned into the opposite sex after the screen faded to black, but you can totally assume there was no actual sex for a scene where you see a kiss or embrace then nothing else.

[The Night Haunter]

Would love to see that evidence.

 

Because sex is fun and healthy?

Because it's a good thing to know if you're sexually compatible with your partner before committing?

Because you don't gain anything from waiting till marriage, especially not as a guy?

Because the whole "you shouldn't have sex before marriage" -nonsense is outdated and actually somewhat oppressive?

Because you're only young once and you might regret not living your youth to the fullest once you're old and committed to someone who turns out to be not all that sexually compatible with you?

Because monogamy is against our human nature and not having sex before marriage even more so?

 

The list goes on.

I agree with everything but that.

 

In pretty much every culture on earth Monogamy exists. It isn't a Western norm that was spread around the globe, it evolved separately in Eastern, African, Western, and American cultures. There are animals that are 100% monogamous, humans aren't quite at that level, but we are pretty close, definitely closer than a lot of other animals who'll hump anything they can get their paws/claws/wings on.

 

Monogamy is just as natural to the human condition as polygamy (not necessarily more so, but they are at least equal).

[WildOrchid]

Because you don't gain anything from waiting till marriage, especially not as a guy?

 

What do you mean? What difference is there with a dude?

[The Night Haunter]

What do you mean? What difference is there with a dude?

He's a dude and he assumes men like sex more than women.

[The Heretic of Time]

I agree with everything but that.

 

In pretty much every culture on earth Monogamy exists. It isn't a Western norm that was spread around the globe, it evolved separately in Eastern, African, Western, and American cultures. There are animals that are 100% monogamous, humans aren't quite at that level, but we are pretty close, definitely closer than a lot of other animals who'll hump anything they can get their paws/claws/wings on.

 

Monogamy is just as natural to the human condition as polygamy (not necessarily more so, but they are at least equal).

 

Monogamy didn't naturally evolve in humans though. It's a social construct that became the norm when we shed our tribal ways and started forming societies. There are still plenty of human tribes where monogamy is absolutely not the norm.

If we look at our closest relatives, the chimps and bonobo, we see that they are very promiscuous and aren't in monogamous sexual relationships. It is safe to assume that early modern humans were no different.

[The Heretic of Time]

He's a dude and he assumes men like sex more than women.

 

Wrong.

[WildOrchid]

He's a dude and he assumes men like sex more than women.

 

Ha! I can't even describe how wrong he is there.

 

@Heretic, sorry but women do enjoy sex as much as men, even if some don't admit it. The thing is that women aren't so vocal about it as men are.

 

 

 

But as a woman myself, i assure you that on this you're so very wrong.

 

 

Edit: if his post is wrong, then do explain further by what you meant there?

[The Night Haunter]

Monogamy didn't naturally evolve in humans though. It's a social construct that became the norm when we shed our tribal ways and started forming societies. There are still plenty of human tribes where monogamy is absolutely not the norm.

If we look at our closest relatives, the chimps and bonobo, we see that they are very promiscuous and aren't in monogamous sexual relationships. It is safe to assume that early modern humans were no different.

When you assume you make an ass our of u and me.

 

What exactly do you think cultural evolution is? It is going from tribes to states to multi city empires. The fact that you have to say tribes is what proves my point. Human society evolved (in all areas of the world) to accept and promote monogamy (by punishing cheating in various forms). That evolution is typically in larger societies, which makes sense as the purpose of polygamy from an evolutionary stand point is to ensure the best males have the most breeding partners. Once a society reaches a stable size where extinction is not a likely occurrence then the pressure to make lots of babies all the time fades and humanities true proclivity to monogamy comes out.

 

As you can tell from my post I am personally in favor of monogamy (but not waiting for sex til marriage), but I accept others prefer to live more 'adventurously' with multiple partners and I would actually support legislation to allow multiple men/women to get married, because the state shouldn't have any say in who is allowed to love who.

However, as evidenced by human's cultural evolution through the past 10k years monogamy comes naturally to humans. 

[Super Drone]

Yes, and wasn't that romantic? You wear an amulet, walk up to your partner, perhaps win their favor with a quest and then you have a ceremony to get married. They move in with you and open a store. That's it. In case of your huscarls they don't even get to say no. How romantic.

 

 I took my wife with me everywhere (Aela the Huntress). I left the Houscarls at home to watch the kids.

 

Still dunno where she kept getting all that money from her "store".

 

Still, as bolstering the romance with Headcanon goes, it was not terrible.

[dreamgazer]

I'm not debating whether it's common. I was debating someone who said it isn't normal.

See, that's the thing. Does such a small ratio still lend credence to it being "normal"?
 

I'm not talking about ratios. I was replying to you saying "but allowing for same-sex romance isn't the same as adding another step in the opposite-sex romance.". If I misunderstood your meaning, I apologize. But it read like you were saying this would only benefit heterosexual relationships.

You kinda misunderstood, but also kinda didn't. The wording wasn't great, I suppose.

My point above still stands: You can have an opposite-sex relationship with or without premarital sex, but you can't have a same-sex relationship without a gay romance option. Therefore, the decision to include gay romance isn't the same as a decision to add another step to romance in general, which before ME3 was limited to heterosexual romances (or DA2's player-sexual romances) or whatever you'd classify Liara and Kelly.

[The Night Haunter]

 I took my wife with me everywhere (Aela the Huntress). I left the Houscarls at home to watch the kids.

 

Still dunno where she kept getting all that money from her "store".

 

Still, as bolstering the romance with Headcanon goes, it was not terrible.

Actually one of the best things about TES is that you can really build your character however you want, and 'headcanon' it that way without breaking the story at all. It is a true rpg. (In that sense)

[The Night Haunter]

See, that's the thing. Does such a small ratio still lend credence to it being "normal"?
 

You kinda misunderstood, but also kinda didn't. The wording wasn't great, I suppose.

My point above still stands: You can have an opposite-sex relationship with or without premarital sex, but you can't have a same-sex relationship without a gay romance option. Therefore, the decision to include gay romance isn't the same as a decision to add another step to romance in general, which before ME3 was limited to heterosexual romances (or DA2's player-sexual romances).

Actually even ME1 had lesbian romances (have to specify because it did not include M-M).

 

I suppose you could argue Liara isn't Female because Asari are unisex so the distinction between male and female doesn't exist, but that is pedantic. She is a woman, look at her, what comes to mind? Blue chick.

[The Heretic of Time]

When you assume you make an ass our of u and me.

 

What exactly do you think cultural evolution is? It is going from tribes to states to multi city empires. The fact that you have to say tribes is what proves my point. Human society evolved (in all areas of the world) to accept and promote monogamy (by punishing cheating in various forms). That evolution is typically in larger societies, which makes sense as the purpose of polygamy from an evolutionary stand point is to ensure the best males have the most breeding partners. Once a society reaches a stable size where extinction is not a likely occurrence then the pressure to make lots of babies all the time fades and humanities true proclivity to monogamy comes out.

 

As you can tell from my post I am personally in favor of monogamy (but not waiting for sex til marriage), but I accept others prefer to live more 'adventurously' with multiple partners and I would actually support legislation to allow multiple men/women to get married, because the state shouldn't have any say in who is allowed to love who.

However, as evidenced by human's cultural evolution through the past 10k years monogamy comes naturally to humans. 

 

Fair enough.

 

 

Edit: if his post is wrong, then do explain further by what you meant there?

 

Men and women prioritize and value other things. They seek different things in long-term partners. Men generally tend to care more about sexual compatibility, where as women generally can live with a partner that isn't that great under the sheets as long as he makes up for it in other areas.

[dreamgazer]

Actually even ME1 had lesbian romances (have to specify because it did not include M-M).
 
I suppose you could argue Liara isn't Female because Asari are unisex so the distinction between male and female doesn't exist, but that is pedantic. She is a woman, look at her, what comes to mind? Blue chick.

Right, but that's an alien, unisex romance. Doesn't really qualify.

(You replied before I made an amendment to include that. )