Sorry but i don't see this "rule" as you do.. Women do choose partners based on their looks/anatomy and then the rest. That's why you see many women with handsome looking men. Same for men.
Things have changed and they still do.
That's not at all what I was talking about though.
Like Oghren says, marriage is for suckers.
Don't bring it to Andromeda.
True, it's bad enough that one has to worry about being divorced raped IRL, i don't want to worry about it in a game to boot.
True, it's bad enough that one has to worry about being divorced raped IRL, i don't want to worry about it in a game to boot.
Oh, you. 
Is it possible to get genophage from reading BSN threads similar to this one?
I have a strange itch right now ...
Oh, you.
It's true, and besides, no sensible man would want to marry my BPD femPCs.
Half of you would probably cheat on your wife if there was or is a marriage option.
(Meanwhile, in Andromeda..)
Alien wife: Baby, I am glad you only love me. Did you have fun on the hub world? You were down there a long time.
You: (With red scars and glowing eyes) Yes, I only love you. No I did not do much of anything down there.
If SWTOR has proven nothing else, it's proven that's true.
It's essentially the same thing as entering in a relationship. Now, I think if they do add in marriage, it needs to be something hard to get. For example, the leak mentions something about loyalty? Lets say you max out your LI's loyalty after entering a relationship, then you have to do more missions that opens up dialogue to that could lead to marriage.
The amount of in-game time that would need to pass for this to be a believable option doesn't seem like it would be available in Andromeda's plot.
I doubt Marriage will be in MEA. It isn't necessary and Shep never got married despite 4ish years of getting shot to hell.
The amount of in-game time that would need to pass for this to be a believable option doesn't seem like it would be available in Andromeda's plot.
We don't know how long Andromeda's plot takes. It could be like DA2 and span a few years.
Alrighty, so, going to go on a little tirade about my thoughts on marriage in real life before giving my opinions on whether it should be included in the game.
In real life I am vehemently against it. I think it's an artificial social construct. I do not believe it is inherently an expression of love, I do not believe it strengthens commitment. At best I find the whole thing to be a pointless waste of money and at worst I find it to be a lie people tell themselves will fix a relationship that is beyond repair. I take that back; at worst it's a sale of property, but that is rarely the case in the western world these days.
I personally believe that if two people love each other, want to be with each other, want to stay with each other for the rest of their lives, then that is all they need. That mutual desire, respect, and commitment between them. I don't think there is any reason to put on a song and dance, make a circus out of it, and have their love declared by a religious authority, justice of the peace, or captain of a ship. The decision to commit to one another is between the two people making that commitment and no one else, and a metal ring with an overpriced rock on it isn't going to make that commitment any stronger.
If two people want to get married, that's fine, that's their choice. I just don't see the need for it, and it certainly isn't for me.
Now, as to whether or not it should be included in the game.
Personally I would not have a problem with the option, and I stress, option of marriage being available so long as Andromeda's plot takes place on a reasonable time scale for it. Certainly a longer period of time than any of the previous games individually covered.
It's essentially the same thing as entering in a relationship. Now, I think if they do add in marriage, it needs to be something hard to get. For example, the leak mentions something about loyalty? Lets say you max out your LI's loyalty after entering a relationship, then you have to do more missions that opens up dialogue to that could lead to marriage.
So you gain enough loyalty from them to their personal quest, and after you can enter into a relationship. Then later after gaining more loyalty you do their romance quest, and after you can further the relationship and that's where the options occur. Something like that?
Oh please. Marriage is a statement between two people... To make their mothers happy.
If our love interests don't have mothers, it shouldn't be a problem. *ducks*
Alrighty, so, going to go on a little tirade about my thoughts on marriage in real life before giving my opinions on whether it should be included in the game.
In real life I am vehemently against it. I think it's an artificial social construct. I do not believe it is inherently an expression of love, I do not believe it strengthens commitment. At best I find the whole thing to be a pointless waste of money and at worst I find it to be a lie people tell themselves will fix a relationship that is beyond repair. I take that back; at worst it's a sale of property, but that is rarely the case in the western world these days.
I personally believe that if two people love each other, want to be with each other, want to stay with each other for the rest of their lives, then that is all they need. That mutual desire, respect, and commitment between them. I don't think there is any reason to put on a song and dance, make a circus out of it, and have their love declared by a religious authority, justice of the peace, or captain of a ship. The decision to commit to one another is between the two people making that commitment and no one else, and a metal ring with an overpriced rock on it isn't going to make that commitment any stronger.
If two people want to get married, that's fine, that's their choice. I just don't see the need for it, and it certainly isn't for me.
Now, as to whether or not it should be included in the game.
Personally I would not have a problem with the option, and I stress, option of marriage being available so long as Andromeda's plot takes place on a reasonable time scale for it. Certainly a longer period of time than any of the previous games individually covered.
I can see where you're coming from, because I've seen some of the same things. So I'm not disputing that your ideas are valid. You have some good points.
However, as someone that is legally married and has been for years (just hit 9 years married and 11 years with the same person,) I would like to speak up.
I know what you mean, but that really doesn't apply to everyone. We didn't get married because we felt I had to. We wanted to. We wanted to stand up before our friends and family and declare our love for each other. It wasn't a stupid song and dance for us. It also wasn't like I dragged my husband kicking and screaming into a ceremony. He proposed to me, and was helping me set the date for 20 months after we got engaged. We wanted to see if we could live with each other and get along first.
We had talked and planned for it. We got married at the Renaissance Festival, so folks could go out and have fun that didn't involve us once the ceremony was done. It was also a chance to see friends and family that we normally don't get to, since many of them live a state or more away. We didn't spend a lot of money either. It wasn't a circus. Well, the best man locked his knees during the ceremony and fainted in the middle of it, so I guess we had some accidental acrobatics. Ours was under 40 people, and most of those were my husband's extended family. I have a small gold band around my finger, and so does he. I never owned a "rock" in my life, except for the wedding band I inherited from my grandmother. That I never wear. We did all these things not because we were forced to by anyone, or obligated. We did all of those things because we wanted to.
You're right, it didn't save our relationship, since our relationship was fine. It didn't strengthen our relationship, time and later experiences did, and I've seen folks married and divorced who thought that marriage would save their relationship. Like my best friend of 18 years. He thought marriage would save his relationship. He was wrong.
My own brother and his wife aren't legally married, and have no current plans to do so unless their daughter starts asking them to when she gets older (she's almost 2.) They still have separate last names, and are very happy together. They've been together for over 15 years now. My parents had a tiny wedding (like 6 people) because their mothers insisted on it. They just hit 36 years of marriage and 38 years together. What can work for one couple may not for the other.
I personally think of someone wants to get married and do the formal ceremony, then they should. If they don't want to, then no one should tell them they have to.
As far as the topic goes, I agree with Iakus. I think it would be a fine option for some romances. Using DA:I as an example, I could see Cullen as wanting marriage. Iron Bull does not, and prefers the current arrangement of comfortable monogamy without marriage.
There are a lot of financial and legal benefits to being married.
There are a lot of financial and legal benefits to being married.
Depends on where you live.
Maybe a spaceship in the far future has a different structure?
I can see where you're coming from, because I've seen some of the same things. So I'm not disputing that your points are valid. You have some good points.
However, as someone that is legally married and has been for years (just hit 9 years married and 11 years with the same person,) I would like to speak up.
I know what you mean, but that really doesn't apply to everyone. We didn't get married because we felt I had to. We wanted to. We wanted to stand up before our friends and family and declare our love for each other. It wasn't a stupid song and dance for us. It also wasn't like I dragged my husband kicking and screaming into a ceremony. He proposed to me, and was helping me set the date for 20 months after we got engaged. We wanted to see if we could live with each other and get along first.
We had talked and planned for it. We got married at the Renaissance Festival, so folks could go out and have fun that didn't involve us once the ceremony was done. It was also a chance to see friends and family that we normally don't get to, since many of them live a state or more away. We didn't spend a lot of money either. It wasn't a circus. Well, the best man locked his knees during the ceremony and fainted in the middle of it, so I guess we had some accidental acrobatics. Ours was under 40 people, and most of those were my husband's extended family. I have a small gold band around my finger, and so does he. I never owned a "rock" in my life, except for the wedding band I inherited from my grandmother. That I never wear. We did all these things not because we were forced to by anyone, or obligated. We did all of those things because we wanted to.
You're right, it didn't save our relationship, since our relationship was fine. It didn't strengthen our relationship, time and later experiences did, and I've seen folks married and divorced who thought that marriage would save their relationship. Like my best friend of 18 years. He thought marriage would save his relationship. He was wrong.
My own brother and his wife aren't legally married, and have no current plans to do so unless their daughter starts asking them to when she gets older (she's almost 2.) They still have separate last names, and are very happy together. They've been together for over 15 years now. My parents had a tiny wedding (like 6 people) because their mothers insisted on it. They just hit 36 years of marriage and 38 years together. What can work for one couple may not for the other.
I personally think of someone wants to get married and do the formal ceremony, then they should. If they don't want to, then no one should tell them they have to.
As far as the topic goes, I agree with Iakus. I think it would be a fine option for some romances. Using DA:I as an example, I could see Cullen as wanting marriage. Iron Bull does not, and prefers the current arrangement of comfortable monogamy without marriage.
I do lay it on a little thick, I admit. I know not all marriages are the mess I make them out to be. I know people who've been happily married for decades. My own grandparents were married for well over thirty years before my grandmother passed away. I certainly know it's possible.
But I see a lot of people either rushing into marriages before their ready because that's what society has programmed them into thinking they need to do. I see a lot of people pressured into marriages by their families. I see people sticking in unhealthy to abusive marriages because they hold this artificial union to be sacred.
Your marriage, your relationship, from what you've said, is a beautiful thing and I'm happy for you that you have it, and I don't mean to belittle or disparage it. But myself, personally, I look at the state of marriage as a whole across the world, and I see a bunch of unnecessary attachments and trappings to what I think should be the simplest and most beautiful thing in the world; the love between two people.
Anyway, like I said, I'm not opposed to marriage being included as an aspect to the various romances where and when it makes sense for the characters. I certainly don't expect every romance option to share my views on the subject - though it's always nice to have one does, like Morrigan or Bull. So long as it isn't forced or rushed.
We feel we both got lucky in that regard. He's not only my husband, he's my best friend and we talk about anything that comes to mind. He actually helped teach me a lot of patience. It's easy for me to say, "We'll agree to disagree" on the net, because my husband and I have done it sometimes when we're chatting. We're both headstrong people, and through some trial and error, figured out how to handle opinions that we strongly disagree on.
This is an expression I live by: "Being best friends is the only way to be lovers. Staying best friends is the only way to be married."--Mercades Lackey
Marriage can be something as simple as two people declaring their love in private. It's weddings themselves that tend to get ridiculous from my experiences.
Back to the topic: The trick to doing a marriage arc for a LI is to make sure that the friendship arc has just as much content. I enjoy the romances and I love talking about them, but I am very opposed to having the romance content outweigh the friendship content. So long as it's an option that isn't prioritized over the friendship arcs, I'm fine with it. I feel the same way about the LI sex scenes as well. I'd hope for more scenes like cuddling with Garrus as an option rather than sex.
Or do you think religion will disappear too? If so, we have nothing else to discuss since our two sides are too far apart for a middle ground to be found.
Still waiting for good reasons. I mean objectively good, not subjectively good.
Yep, I think religion as we know it will disappear too and make way for more secular beliefs and communities, such as ietsism and secular humanism.
The only religion that's actually growing right now is Islam. The only other demographic that's actually growing is atheism. Christianity and Judaism are in a rapid decline.
And what I listed in my previous post are good objective reasons.
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