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[Grieving Natashina]

Don't look at me.  I'm just the messenger.  I'm neutral in this.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Leak made special note of a biotic female named Cora and a Krogan named Drack. Trailer depicts a female-humanoid carrying a pistol (biotics signature gun) and a Krogan.

No she isn't. The N7 guy has the pistol. The woman in the trailer is carrying some sort of rifle or shotgun. 

Also, she has been confirmed as human.

[Grieving Natashina]

Here, for comparison sake.  Again, I'm just the messenger:

 

 

Edit: That looks like an asari head under the helm of the female character.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Here, for comparison sake.  Again, I'm just the messenger:

 

 

Edit: That looks like an asari head under the helm of the female character.  

They're both human. That is the protagonist, after all. Bioware said they'd be promoting both genders when promoting the protagonist, or something like that. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Edit: That looks like an asari head under the helm of the female character.  

 

No, that's just the artwork. Those are our PCs, which means both are human. Don't create crazy theories now, you know how those will run away and take on a life on their own here. ;D

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Don't look at me.  I'm just the messenger.  I'm neutral in this.  

You said you are intrigued by them. You have forsaken your neutrality! 

[Grieving Natashina]

No, that's just the artwork. Those are our PCs, which means both are human. Don't create crazy theories now, you know how those will run away and take on a life on their own here. ;D

Actually, I've read the opposite, with the devs stressing that those aren't the player characters.  I'm looking for WoG now.  I know that they confirmed that about the characters seen in the trailer.

 

http://blog.bioware....fect-andromeda/

 

Edit: I don't know if the concept art that I posted is the same characters from the trailer. I can't find WoG on that about regarding the concept art.

 

I still think that looks like an Asari to me, with an unknown possibly male squad mate.  It's not like I'm offering any ideas that the BSN hasn't discussed a lot.  

 

You said you are intrigued by them. You have forsaken your neutrality! 

I am, but that doesn't mean I have an emotional stake one way or the other.  I'm merely curious.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Actually, I've read the opposite, with the devs stressing that those aren't the player characters.  I'm looking for WoG now.  I know that they confirmed that about the characters seen in the trailer.

 

 

WoG said the N7 guy in the trailer wasn't a PC.

[LordSwagley]

Since every character in the first three Mass Effect games has a chance of dying or has died, I don't want to see a repeat of Mass Effect 3 where they wrote alternate characters for every appearance because that character might have died in a previous game. I much rather start with a new crew and allies to avoid any possible baggage from the past games.

 

I do know that people have their favorite characters and I do too, but I rather not see them butchered again like in Mass Effect 3.

I could see minor characters who gathered a fan following return to the series in more important roles (Look at Cullen from Dragon Age, guy went from an akward Templar with a minor role to one of the major characters in DA:I with a full romance to boot. Same with Merrill, Isabella, and sort of Dagna, so it certainly would not be unprecedented) such as Parasinni, Green Asari-Commando Lady, Kal-Reeger, Noveria security-lady (Leliana could be freaking killed in DA:O but she still returns for Inquisition), etc... Could function as small ties to the original series without the "Ending Headache" spoken of earlier.

[Grieving Natashina]

WoG said the N7 guy in the trailer wasn't a PC.

Yep.  I didn't see that about the concept art though, so I was mistaken there.  My apologizes.  In fact, I didn't see anything one way or the other really.  

 

At this point, I wouldn't assume that the concept art is of the PCs.  After witnessing DA:I's dev cycle, I know better.  

 

Edit: See, I have two problems with including any of the NPCs.  

 

1) The beam affected everyone in the Milky Way.  That would include those outside of the Sol system.  No matter what, everyone would have felt the affects of the beam.  Therefore, they would know how it ended.  Which would leave that window open for questions and then a huge clusterball starts from there.

 

2) "A time and space far removed from Shepard."  BioWare did say that and not just that leak.  Barring cryo status, most of them are likely dead of old age.  That is, if they didn't die by the Reapers or by Cerberus.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I could see minor characters who gathered a fan following return to the series in more important roles (Look at Cullen from Dragon Age, guy went from an akward Templar with a minor role to one of the major characters in DA:I with a full romance to boot. Same with Merrill, Isabella, and sort of Dagna, so it certainly would not be unprecedented) such as Parasinni, Green Asari-Commando Lady, Kal-Reeger, Noveria security-lady (Leliana could be freaking killed in DA:O but she still returns for Inquisition), etc... Could function as small ties to the original series without the "Ending Headache" spoken of earlier.

Please let this one happen. I love Maeko Matsuo. And she can't be killed by our actions and wasn't killed in EU material. 

 

I love the other three you mentioned(Gianna, Shiala, and Kal'Reager), but Gianna and Shiala can be killed and Kal'Reager was killed so I'm not as hopeful. 

[LordSwagley]

No she isn't. The N7 guy has the pistol. The woman in the trailer is carrying some sort of rifle or shotgun. 

Also, she has been confirmed as human.

Vanguard!

[Grieving Natashina]

She could be dead of old age though, unless the "Ark" went into cryo-stasis.  Which isn't impossible and I could see that happening.  There is plenty of evidence in ME so far that people could possibly stay frozen indefinitely, so long as the power holds out.  

 

Other than that possibility, we do need to remember that is could be centuries after the end of ME3.  Unless she made it onto the not-Citadel, which could happen.  Why not?  I suppose it's possible.  

 

For the record, I'm not completely opposed to the idea for a NPC, but there is a lot of reasons that I can see why it just wouldn't work.  I do stand firm on not wanting a member of the Normandy to return outside of a codex entry.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Vanguard!

That is more likely. I just wanted to give the info we have on that unnamed human female.

[Sanunes]

I could see minor characters who gathered a fan following return to the series in more important roles (Look at Cullen from Dragon Age, guy went from an akward Templar with a minor role to one of the major characters in DA:I with a full romance to boot. Same with Merrill, Isabella, and sort of Dagna, so it certainly would not be unprecedented) such as Parasinni, Green Asari-Commando Lady, Kal-Reeger, Noveria security-lady (Leliana could be freaking killed in DA:O but she still returns for Inquisition), etc... Could function as small ties to the original series without the "Ending Headache" spoken of earlier.

 

I highly doubt they will ever do the same thing they did with Leliana again just to save the headaches.  The think is a lot of the secondary characters can even die too, especially the ones from Mass Effect 1. Parasini, the Asari commando from Feros, and Kal-Reeger all can die for Parasini can be killed by the administrator if you pick the correct dialogue options, Kal-Reeger dies trying to save Tali if you don't stop him, and if you are playing renegade you can kill Shilala.

 

I understand that people want to see a stronger connection to the game, I just don't want to feel like the game is suffering because they are trying to include options from past games.  If they can find something that doesn't run the risk of being destroyed or dead I am all for it, but I think that is going to take some work.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Also Kal Reegar dies by e-mail.

[LordSwagley]

Please let this one happen. I loved Maeko Matsuo. And she can't be killed by our actions and wasn't killed in EU material. 

 

I love the other three you mentioned(Gianna, Shiala, and Kal'Reager), but Gianna and Shiala can be killed and Kal'Reager was killed so I'm not as hopeful. 

In my first "Dragon Age: Origins" playthrough, Cullens fate was akin to "He went nuts, killed innocent mages, was locked up, escaped and murded some more mages. FIN" yet imagine my surprise in DA2 when they totally rewrit his backstory, made it canon, and then he stops the slaughter of innocent mages and protected my Hero and his mage friends from the mage-hating big bad.

Or in Awakening when my bro Anders died. Then returned to my party in DA2 alive and well (well aside from being alot moodier, and suddenly bisexual). So I would not dismiss their return/cameo quite yet...

[Grieving Natashina]

Also Kal Reegar dies by e-mail.

 

No more killing off popular NPC in an in-game email or even worse, on Twitter.  I had no clue that Emily was dead until I read on the forums that a sodding tweet confirmed her death.  I know that Kal'Reegar was always pretty popular going back to the ME2 days.  I also know that Emily Wong was popular back in ME1 days as well.  They got thrown so far under the bus that I can still see the skid marks.

 

It's ridiculous.  A social media site that not everyone uses and that some actively avoid is the developer's way of communicating that a character is dead in-game.  Right.  I have words for that.  A lot of bad words...

 

That was a crappy move, and one I hope that the devs avoid should they make ME:A into another trilogy.   

 

/end OT rant

[caradoc2000]

Also Kal Reegar dies by e-mail.

Death by email. That would look good on a coroner's report.

 

Anyway, we know the protagonist is new, if Liara is in, we have something old, borrowed and blue as well.

[Grieving Natashina]

You get a like for the terribly wonderful pun.  Also, go share that with the marriage thread.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She could be dead of old age though, unless the "Ark" went into cryo-stasis.  Which isn't impossible and I could see that happening.  There is plenty of evidence in ME so far that people could possibly stay frozen indefinitely, so long as the power holds out.  

 

Other than that possibility, we do need to remember that is could be centuries after the end of ME3.  Unless she made it onto the not-Citadel, which could happen.  Why not?  I suppose it's possible.  

 

For the record, I'm not completely opposed to the idea for a NPC, but there is a lot of reasons that I can see why it just wouldn't work.  I do stand firm on not wanting a member of the Normandy to return outside of a codex entry.  

I have little doubt stasis pods will be used. The idea of a ship capable of sustaining people for an intergalactic voyage doesn't make sense. That or they get there via an instantaneous transport, whether it be a wormhole or some advanced technology like the Citadel Relay. 

 

That reminds me:

 

No more killing off popular NPC in an in-game email or even worse, on Twitter.  I had no clue that Emily was dead until I read on the forums that a sodding tweet confirmed her death.  I know that Kal'Reegar was always pretty popular going back to the ME2 days.  I also know that Emily Wong was popular back in ME1 days as well.  Really?  A social media site that not everyone uses and that some actively avoid is the developer's way of communicating that a character is dead in-game.  I have words for that.  A lot of bad words...

 

That was a crappy move, and one I hope that the devs avoid should they make ME:A into another trilogy.  

There were some character deaths via email that were good, though. Like Aresh, the guy from Jack's loyalty mission, if spared sacrifices himself to get a bunch of kids off a world that is in the midst of being reaped. 

 

But yeah, popular characters should have more than that. 

[LordSwagley]

Death by email. That would look good on a coroner's report.

 

Anyway, we know the protagonist is new, if Liara is in, we have something old, borrowed and blue as well.

Liara - Spymaster

Reporter Lady you can punch - Head Ambassador

Jimmy Vega - General

[Krymzon74]

As much as I like the old crew I hope this new game gives them nothing more than a codex entry. I'm looking forward to something new.

[Valkyrja]

No more killing off popular NPC in an in-game email or even worse, on Twitter.  I had no clue that Emily was dead until I read on the forums that a sodding tweet confirmed her death.  I know that Kal'Reegar was always pretty popular going back to the ME2 days.  I also know that Emily Wong was popular back in ME1 days as well.  They got thrown so far under the bus that I can still see the skid marks.

 

It's ridiculous.  A social media site that not everyone uses and that some actively avoid is the developer's way of communicating that a character is dead in-game.  Right.  I have words for that.  A lot of bad words...

 

That was a crappy move, and one I hope that the devs avoid should they make ME:A into another trilogy.   

 

/end OT rant

 

It wasn't quite just a developer's tweet. Emily Wong's character had a Twitter feed before ME3's launch reporting her experience in Los Angeles as the Reapers lay waste to the city, her injury in a failed military counter-attack, and ultimate death in a futile gesture of defiance. People liked it before the game came out and I doubt it would have been an issue if Diana Allers hadn't become the flashpoint it did.

 

As far as Kal-Reegar goes I don't see why a character should be owed anything just because they're popular on the forums. Realistically he should have died an unnoticed death along with millions of other faceless soldiers. Mass Effect was already indulgent enough with all the cameos.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh, I know that.  Yet it was still the call of the developers to handle and manage that tweeter feed, as well as their call for Emily's fate, so I still lay the blame on them.  

 

The email was one thing about Kal was one thing.  It was in-game and I could respect that, especially since they take pains to let the player know that he died an honorable death.  I didn't like it very much at first, but I'm over it.   It's the use of twitter for Emily that bothers me.  For one, no mention of Emily in-game and two, they restricted it to twitter.  Not even an in-game mail.  

 

Sloppy very sloppy.