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Mass Effect "Keep," Yay or Nay?


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I didn't get through the beginning of GamerMD83's video.  She misinterpreted so much about the destroy ending that I just saw my way out.  

 

As for the topic at hand, I think they left the galaxy so they didn't have to honor our ending choices, but it would be interesting if they did. 


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I think the "all technology will be destroyed" was just a mistake.  Wikia and game states technology based on reaper tech would be destroyed? But they Hackett states they can rebuild it?

Anyways, again too many variables.  Too easy to screw up.  Too many resources being spent just making sure we get a crappy ending canonized with a few tweaks.


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I'd repeat what other have said: they wouldn't be leaving the Milky Way if they were just going to homogenize the endings. There would be no need to run away from the decisions players made in the trilogy if they decided to just make all decisions come out the same in the end.

 

Even in this new setting, however, they are still likely to ignore player decisions in the trilogy that many people would expect to carry over. Like the genophage. Are the Krogan in Andromeda going to be suffering from the genophage? I sincerely doubt it. Krogan reproductive rates were supremely broken in the trilogy. The genophage was a contrivance designed to create some kind of moral dilemma, science be damned. Are they still going to go on and on about this chip on the Krogan's shoulder when the entire context for the genophage and its importance to the story is gone? No. Most likely, the genophage just won't ever be mentioned again.

 

We are also likely to never hear of the Geth or Quarians again. They have already floated the idea of getting rid of one or more of the races we knew in the trilogy. Quarians are high on the list of those not likely to resurface. Instead of taking a trilogy decision into account, they can simply ignore it altogether.

 

Just because DA had its keep does not mean ME will too. They never left Thedas in DA. And they never wrecked the entire continent. Thus, carrying over decisions did not present as many obstacles. OTOH, the changes made to earlier stories never had the impact in DA they did in ME. In DA the import/keep feature merely effected which cameos you got. In ME the import feature had a huge impact one whether you could achieve peace between the Quarians and Geth and what the outcomes of the Rannoch arc would be. IMO, ME had meaningful choices, whereas in DA they were merely cosmetic.


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Synthesis is in my opinion the WORSE ending.  If they are going to canonize, just make it destroy or retcon refusal to where we do win.  She made an interesting video, but let's say if she's correct... I'll be highly upset they went with synthesis..

 

Synthesis needs to die in the burning fire of a thousand suns, and never darken any game ever again.

 

I doubt we'll need a mass effect keep because I suspect, as others have said, that the characters will be descendants of people who left the MWG before the reapers showed up.


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Synthesis needs to die in the burning fire of a thousand suns, and never darken any game ever again.

 

I doubt we'll need a mass effect keep because I suspect, as others have said, that the characters will be descendants of people who left the MWG before the reapers showed u

 

Descendants is a possibility.  But I'd feel it would be fan service if they added, "Jack had a daughter who had a son, and now her son is a well-to-do-bad-ass-biotic-with-tattoos-and-long hair.



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After the bulls*** that was ME3, it's best left forgotten, which is exactly why ME4 is taking place in the Andromeda galaxy(i.e. starting from scratch).


Exactly.

After you are done taking a dump, the first thing you want to do is get as far away as possible.

Like another galaxy maybe?

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I'd repeat what other have said: they wouldn't be leaving the Milky Way if they were just going to homogenize the endings. There would be no need to run away from the decisions players made in the trilogy if they decided to just make all decisions come out the same in the end.

Even in this new setting, however, they are still likely to ignore player decisions in the trilogy that many people would expect to carry over. Like the genophage. Are the Krogan in Andromeda going to be suffering from the genophage? I sincerely doubt it. Krogan reproductive rates were supremely broken in the trilogy. The genophage was a contrivance designed to create some kind of moral dilemma, science be damned. Are they still going to go on and on about this chip on the Krogan's shoulder when the entire context for the genophage and its importance to the story is gone? No. Most likely, the genophage just won't ever be mentioned again.

We are also likely to never hear of the Geth or Quarians again. They have already floated the idea of getting rid of one or more of the races we knew in the trilogy. Quarians are high on the list of those not likely to resurface. Instead of taking a trilogy decision into account, they can simply ignore it altogether.

Just because DA had its keep does not mean ME will too. They never left Thedas in DA. And they never wrecked the entire continent. Thus, carrying over decisions did not present as many obstacles. OTOH, the changes made to earlier stories never had the impact in DA they did in ME. In DA the import/keep feature merely effected which cameos you got. In ME the import feature had a huge impact one whether you could achieve peace between the Quarians and Geth and what the outcomes of the Rannoch arc would be. IMO, ME had meaningful choices, whereas in DA they were merely cosmetic.


They probably won't ignore the genophage, as ignoring it would alone cause fan outrage due to breaking of lore. Why? Because the Krogan could not colonize a new galaxy if the genophage wasn't cured unless an absolutely massive number of colonists left for Andromeda. Their birth rate is just too low.

More likely, I suspect that the genophage is an example of a choice that WILL be homogenized. Maybe they simply say "oh look, the Remnant tech cured the genophage!" or some such nonsense. Alternatively, the ark could leave after the genophage story arc and it could be ignored, or it could leave after it and the ark colonists find and implement an independent cure (most likely in my opinion - ie: Shepard doesn't cure the genophage, but the council DOES decide to cure it on the select few Krogan chosen for the ark).

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Descendants is a possibility.  But I'd feel it would be fan service if they added, "Jack had a daughter who had a son, and now her son is a well-to-do-bad-ass-biotic-with-tattoos-and-long hair.

 

Yeah, not what I meant. I meant descendants of random people that had nothing to do with the previous series.


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For me I am done with the choices from Shepard's game and the farther they can get away from them the better since I feel the choices are part of the reason why Mass Effect 3 had the issues throughout the game it did.  Now I do think they should have some online resource to record choices for future Mass Effect games so we have the choice of swapping between platforms if we choose.



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Dunno..

 

I wouldnt mind using saves , because the Keep while it look fancy....I felt like It didn't matter in my game DAI . So dunno..


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Dunno..

 

I wouldnt mind using saves , because the Keep while it look fancy....I felt like It didn't matter in my game DAI . So dunno..

 

I'd prefer the keep so I don't have to slog through all three games over and over just to get a couple of different world states I liked. :D

 

OTOH I don't think the choices in the previous games will matter much in Andromeda.


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Hopefully not.

The endings are mutually exclusive and vastly change that section of the universe.

I don't want them to have to write the next game while including the possibilities of polar opposite outcomes from ME3.

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I'd prefer the keep so I don't have to slog through all three games over and over just to get a couple of different world states I liked. :D

 

OTOH I don't think the choices in the previous games will matter much in Andromeda.

Your loss! true fans have thousand of saves all called John and Jane!  :lol:


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Your loss! true fans have thousand of saves all called John and Jane!  :lol:

 

Oh, don't get me wrong. I like lots of playthroughs. Just that I often duplicate choices because I can't remember which saves had which choices while replaying.



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If ME:A becomes a new trilogy, then yeah ME:A2 should have a keep of some kind.



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If ME:A becomes a new trilogy, then yeah ME:A2 should have a keep of some kind.


It probably will. The reason why they are making the game only take place in the Helius Cluster (assuming the leak is correct, which it has like a 99% probability at this point), must be so that anything that happens there will not affect the larger galaxy of Andromeda. Thus, there is a multitude of story options and potential for sequels.

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Your loss! true fans have thousand of saves all called John and Jane!  :lol:

 

:( I guess I am not a fan of ME. I only have 17 Shepards listed as available for a NG+ on the xbox, and not one is named John or Jane. I am going to have to work on some speed runs I guess.



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A "Keep" of some kind is inevitable, I think (Personally, I'd call it the Citadel Archives, but that's me). Since the Mass Effect franchise seems to be set to continue, they're probably going to continue to offer something to allow us to track our stories.

 

I don't know if they'll introduce one for Andromeda, though, just because there should be this clean break between the Shepard trilogy and the new games. Few if any of Shepard's decisions should impact things in Andromeda, especially considering that the game's going to a place far beyond the original games. A handful of choice might be tied it, but it'll also depend on when the characters of Andromeda left Citadel space, if the game is set at the same time as any of the trilogy or after it. I think they could get by with just having a few options like what are there in new ME3 Shepards of selecting like who survived Virmire or something like that at the CC screen.



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Does no one remember Ilos? You do not want Andromeda to be able to communicate with the Milky Way. You want to purge any and all data about the "ark" and shoot anyone who might know about it in the head. You don't want the Reapers to know about it because some day they may come back looking for revenge. The bad red ending would mean no humans left to talk to.



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Does no one remember Ilos? You do not want Andromeda to be able to communicate with the Milky Way. You want to purge any and all data about the "ark" and shoot anyone who might know about it in the head. You don't want the Reapers to know about it because some day they may come back looking for revenge. The bad red ending would mean no humans left to talk to.


Yup. This is why the majority of us think a clean break is totally necessary.

But some people have too much feelz.

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Mass effect Keep ? For what ?

Mass effect Andromeda is like a "kind of reboot", its not realy a sequel.
Dragon age keep was needed beacause is  the link between DAO/DA2 and Dragon Age Inquisition.  MAE is a new story , news character , new companions and news World .



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Basically, Bioware-made Gibbed?



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I didn't get through the beginning of GamerMD83's video.  She misinterpreted so much about the destroy ending that I just saw my way out.  

 

As for the topic at hand, I think they left the galaxy so they didn't have to honor our ending choices, but it would be interesting if they did. 

I agree. I usually like her videos but in this one she made a lot of mistakes about lore.


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I would like to have a ME keep even if it won't have any impact on the future games. Just to store my choices and look at them sometimes, remembering how it was :)



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I think the "all technology will be destroyed" was just a mistake.  Wikia and game states technology based on reaper tech would be destroyed? But they Hackett states they can rebuild it?

Anyways, again too many variables.  Too easy to screw up.  Too many resources being spent just making sure we get a crappy ending canonized with a few tweaks.

I like GamerMD83's videos. The problem is she  try to find logic in something witch is illogical. Look even Bioware want to escape from ME ending we going to new galaxy. I think we have no import or communication with milky way whatsoever. I am fine we going somewhere else I din't like in ME3 we focus on earth like it's centrer of the universe. Why we must save earth again? Because earth is humanity home. So? Fine we bring citadel to earth. Ah ok? Oh and you land in London, because Anders born in London. It's good we going somewhere else original ME just ended with bang and bad one all galaxy in ruins with no fixing.