I don't think Solas is the villain. I just think he's history's biggest duffer.
He's not really the big bad in hiding, rather than the fallen idealist picking up the pieces of his own mistakes before somebody notices. Obviously he may be imposing a very controverse vision upon the world, but I also think he's the type who'd rather sacrifice himself rather than others, should the need ever arise.
At least, that's my interpretation, but I'm afraid further reasoning would derail this infinitely.
I don't think Solas is the villain. I just think he's history's biggest duffer.
He's not really the big bad in hiding, rather than the fallen idealist picking up the pieces of his own mistakes before somebody notices. Obviously he may be imposing a very controverse vision upon the world, but I also think he's the type who'd rather sacrifice himself rather than others, should the need ever arise.
At least, that's my interpretation, but I'm afraid further reasoning would derail this infinitely.
I like that. You are right. Calling him the bad guy isn't correct. Sometimes I fear the gaming terminology limits us language wise. Antagonist maybe? Potentially a heroic antagonist. I mean, we had KRATOS as a protagonist in GOW, and he's not even a LITTLE bit heroic. I don't know...but your description of Solas works quite well. And we know that a full Renegade Shep in ME3 could go full on genocidal monster, so having an antagonist who is in essence a misguided good guy (again, using limited terminology) would be most welcome.
Depends on where they decide to take his character following that post credit scene.
I have a feeling Solas won't want to mess with the Inquisition unless it interferes in his plans.
Whenever they release a DLC, they release a patch the Monday before. If we get a patch today, we may get a DLC tomorrow. If not, maybe next week, or sometime in August.
Maker, I feel like I'm waiting for a package in the mail.
me: *Checks tracking info on post office web page* Hey, dear, it's in Kearney.
husband (three days later): Did you get your package?
me: Nope. *checks post office web page* It's still in Kearney. I could have walked there by now.
husband: You know how it goes. They're probably all standing around in a circle chanting over it or something.
I've done that. Makes the spouse somewhat testy. I've gone to the post, asked if the package was in, and they've said: 'Oh, its out for delivery. It should be there soon.'
I know my address is on the return trip. Can't I just get my stuff BEFORE I got to work? 
Anyway, it used to seem (or at least I thought they were) that Bioware was a bit more forth coming in previous instances about future plans. Now they make occasional remarks that make Tite Kubo honest and forthcoming, rather than the troll that he is. For whatever reason, they can't just be straight forward.
And that ALWAYS works out well with the fans, DOESN'T it? 
I dont see Solas as a villain at all. And you could earn his respect, so he can see the inquisitor as a true friend.
I dont see Solas as a villain at all. And you could earn his respect, so he can see the inquisitor as a true friend.
Exactly. Plus, it would help us move past the Mage/Templar debate. We KNOW Elves are a marginalized people and having an antagonist who is actively trying NOT to dominate the world, but to save 'the People' would be refreshing. A lot of times we hear 'I did what I had to do' with such a COLD remorseless tone that you have to wonder if they actually considered another response. Solas on the other hand, with his final words, sounded absolutely heartbroken at his decision. Yes, he 'did what he had to do' but hates himself for doing it.
I think of THIS when I think of Solas as an antagonist...
Solas reminds me of Sosuke Aizen from Bleach. Intelligent and kind souls. 
It would be ironic if Solas did turn out to be an antagonist of some future DLC or game. A while ago, somebody (Allan?) started a thread about overused tropes about LIs, especially LGBT LIs, and I remarked that I was getting tired of how female LIs always seem to be simultaneously immortal and destined for greatness while the male LIs are killable and generally forgotten. And here we have Solas, who is arguably immortal and destined for greatness... and potentially a future antagonist.
Be careful what you ask for, I guess.
Edit: No, I don't think my post inspired the decision. The game was probably already written when Allan (I'm going to assume it was him) started the thread, and even if it weren't, I doubt anybody's mining my forum posts for plot bunnies. I'm sure it's a complete coincidence. But that doesn't make it any less ironic.
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I suspect he's probably going to be an upcoming antagonist of some kind. You could earn the Arishok's respect as well, and he was still an antagonist. I get the sense that Solas went through a lot of different incarnations behind the scenes. I think his murder of Flemeth is supposed to signify he is going to be pretty ruthless in pursuit of his goals, but he didn't come across like he had an especially ruthless streak over the course of the game. Moreover, the stories we heard about Fen'Harel in "The Masked Empire" seemed to imply that that the Dread Wolf really was as malicious as the Dalish legends of him say, but he didn't across that way at all in the game.
That codex entry about him in the Temple of Mythal is a pretty strong him that he's not motivated by spite like the Dalish believe he was. Yet, if it really was Fen'Harel that executed Fel'essan, that seems out of character for the character we knew in DAI. Even the hint about the coming chaos of DAI doesn't really make sense anymore, since it was all an unintended side effect of Solas' plan that he went out of his way to fix.
Unless the implication was that Fel'essan was actually working for Corypheus the whole time, and that makes even less sense.
Hmm Idk about that. He seemed reasonable in the game. He obviously realized he completely cocked up when he gave cory the orb and devoted himself to helping the inquisition to beat cory.
I think Flemeth already knew solas was going for her, and she seemed to accept it. I also don't think she's dead and maybe Solas will know that too?
He wanted to help the refugees in redcliffe etc, I would say he is quite compassionate in character.
and as for the Arishocks respect, that's quite different. You really become a friend to Solas. The arishock only see's you as a worthy rival really, or a warrior of respect - he doesn't seem to actually like Hawke.
And what of poor Lavellan who romanced Solas...I am really intrigued where that will go.
And what of poor Lavellan who romanced Solas...I am really intrigued where that will go.
You're fond of him, and thus cannot see what an evil knife ear he is.
Me, i just hope we can kill him.
See the thing is, he made a mistake and he wanted the same thing that the mad man that stole his orb wanted, just was/is more sane about, he wants to restore what was once, his many talks and even the ending sorta hinted at that, he also wanted to help one of his kind with that orb.
So far we have only seen two of the old elven gods, my feeling is more will be waking up at some point and he wanted to be at his full power, for some reason if the dalish only got the lore half right has hinted, get the feeling the dread wolf was more of a peace keeper for his kind and kept the other elven gods in check more then a evil and tricky thing. So no matter how you dice he is both the good guy and the bad guy, the world of dragon age is always like that with people like the dread wolf.
Remember two sets of elven gods so maybe some are under like the dragon old gods
Just my thoughts, but we will more be learning of what is coming
Hmm Idk about that. He seemed reasonable in the game. He obviously realized he completely cocked up when he gave cory the orb and devoted himself to helping the inquisition to beat cory.
I think Flemeth already knew solas was going for her, and she seemed to accept it. I also don't think she's dead and maybe Solas will know that too?
He wanted to help the refugees in redcliffe etc, I would say he is quite compassionate in character.
and as for the Arishocks respect, that's quite different. You really become a friend to Solas. The arishock only see's you as a worthy rival really, or a warrior of respect - he doesn't seem to actually like Hawke.
And what of poor Lavellan who romanced Solas...I am really intrigued where that will go.
Which is why I think you should be able to side with him. You could, in a way, side with Anders in DAII. Yet...I felt the payoff there was like getting a discount coupon for a small ice cream at the supermarket. Having an Inquisitor, especially a Lavellan who was in love, say 'You know what, you're right. I'm with you' would be a POWERFUL statement. The head of the Inquisition leaving it all behind to back a REAL rebel apostate would send shockwaves around the world. C'mon, what could be more tragic than someone throwing power aside for love or friendship? My friend, right or wrong? IF (thought I hope they go smaller scale) you wanted a world shaking event, the Inquisitor siding with the Dread Wolf to break the Elven Gods free and help the elves throw off the shackles of enslavement and status as a second class people would do it.
And don't think that Solas DOESN'T have an eye on Tevinter. His utter disgust at slavery or implied slavery is something to behold. The Qunari AND the Imperium are in his sights. With Mythal's power, don't think he ISN'T going to take steps to free those people from bondage. HOW he is going to do it will be the interesting part. And again, if he has the Inquisitor at his side?
THAT...would be interesting...
You're fond of him, and thus cannot see what an evil knife ear he is.
Me, i just hope we can kill him.
IF they wrote this correctly? IF they REALLY want something to get players interested?
They'll give you BOTH options. 
It's what they did with Loghain, right?
Exactly. Plus, it would help us move past the Mage/Templar debate. We KNOW Elves are a marginalized people and having an antagonist who is actively trying NOT to dominate the world, but to save 'the People' would be refreshing. A lot of times we hear 'I did what I had to do' with such a COLD remorseless tone that you have to wonder if they actually considered another response. Solas on the other hand, with his final words, sounded absolutely heartbroken at his decision. Yes, he 'did what he had to do' but hates himself for doing it.
I think of THIS when I think of Solas as an antagonist...
We kind of had that.
Saren.
Loghain.
Meradeth.
Which is why I think you should be able to side with him. You could, in a way, side with Anders in DAII. Yet...I felt the payoff there was like getting a discount coupon for a small ice cream at the supermarket. Having an Inquisitor, especially a Lavellan who was in love, say 'You know what, you're right. I'm with you' would be a POWERFUL statement. The head of the Inquisition leaving it all behind to back a REAL rebel apostate would send shockwaves around the world. C'mon, what could be more tragic than someone throwing power aside for love or friendship? My friend, right or wrong? IF (thought I hope they go smaller scale) you wanted a world shaking event, the Inquisitor siding with the Dread Wolf to break the Elven Gods free and help the elves throw off the shackles of enslavement and status as a second class people would do it.
And don't think that Solas DOESN'T have an eye on Tevinter. His utter disgust at slavery or implied slavery is something to behold. The Qunari AND the Imperium are in his sights. With Mythal's power, don't think he ISN'T going to take steps to free those people from bondage. HOW he is going to do it will be the interesting part. And again, if he has the Inquisitor at his side?
THAT...would be interesting...
Except for the fact we may not be the same character when we meet him again.
You're fond of him, and thus cannot see what an evil knife ear he is.
Me, i just hope we can kill him.
That's not evil. Dangerous, but not evil......But near everyone who is in the story is dangerous.
We kind of had that.
Saren.
Loghain.
Meradeth.
Saren, Loghain, the Architect, Tela Vasir, Zathrien, AND the Illusive Man. Meredith could have been that, but she went off the deep end. I prefer THOSE kinds anyway. We had the Elder One, the Mother, Arl Rendon Howe, Senior Enchanter Uldred, Caladrius, Father Kolgrim, the Archdemon, Uvenk, Amanda Kenson, Gao the Lesser, AND Kai Leng as our more EVIL bad guys with less motivation than power or crazy. HAVING one that is complex and interesting is MUCH better than your standard bishonen bad guy who wants ultimate power because REASONS.
Except for the fact we may not be the same character when we meet him again.
Goodness I HOPE not. Character evolution is a must. However, that shouldn't radically change the fundamentals of a character. An Inquisitor that was in love may still be...OR she could have moved on. Adversely, an Inquisitor that was staunchly at odds with Solas may have softened their stance, seeking more understanding and trying hard to understand his motivations. Static characters are BORING...and unrealistic.
That's not evil. Dangerous, but not evil......But near everyone who is in the story is dangerous.
Every character in your group is dangerous. SANDAL is dangerous.
IF they wrote this correctly? IF they REALLY want something to get players interested?
They'll give you BOTH options.
Well, first off this is all speculation on the next dlc, we don't know if egg head will be the main plot, from the most of what i've seen it's related to the deep roads.
Some of the points were exaggerating you see, the game wont stop at the inquisition nor the humans of Thedas will stay still while egg head try to bring back glory for knife ears, and i doubt the game will keep rolling all of the Elven gods or even the two remaining old gods for that matter, and come on threatening the mighty Imperium with egg head, easier said than done, even your quizzy who's in favor of him is still theoretically obligated to the cause of the chantry and the maker and most of his allies are humans, quizzy wont be like, hey all of you allies that i gathered throw my journey let's praise that man over there and swear fealty to his quest. You see some of us don't roll an elf protagonist nor want to help elves, especially the evil god kind of them.
Wrap up his story in a dlc, and let us kill him, or carry him throw to another sequel(let's say DA5) but again you wont be quizzy, you'll be a fog warrior or an arishok, the archon of the imperium or the first warden or god knows what.
Saren, Loghain, the Architect, Tela Vasir, Zathrien, AND the Illusive Man. Meredith could have been that, but she went off the deep end. I prefer THOSE kinds anyway. We had the Elder One, the Mother, Arl Rendon Howe, Senior Enchanter Uldred, Caladrius, Father Kolgrim, the Archdemon, Uvenk, Amanda Kenson, Gao the Lesser, AND Kai Leng as our more EVIL bad guys with less motivation than power or crazy. HAVING one that is complex and interesting is MUCH better than your standard bishonen bad guy who wants ultimate power because REASONS.
Goodness I HOPE not. Character evolution is a must. However, that shouldn't radically change the fundamentals of a character. An Inquisitor that was in love may still be...OR she could have moved on. Adversely, an Inquisitor that was staunchly at odds with Solas may have softened their stance, seeking more understanding and trying hard to understand his motivations. Static characters are BORING...and unrealistic.
Every character in your group is dangerous. SANDAL is dangerous.
a.The elder one became desperate. The Archdemon is just a result of an illness. The mother is just insane(she's a woman who was turned into a darkspawn birthing ghoul, anyone would become insane from slowly turning into that.) And everyone else were just bad guys who were knoches on the belt.
Complexity is great. But it's not like we don't have it.
B. I mean a bran new character. As in the next lead.
c.Josephine isn't......And she's the only one.
Well, first off this is all speculation on the next dlc, we don't know if egg head will be the main plot, from the most of what i've seen it's related to the deep roads.
Some of the points were exaggerating you see, the game wont stop at the inquisition nor the humans of Thedas will stay still while egg head try to bring back glory for knife ears, and i doubt the game will keep rolling all of the Elven gods or even the two remaining old gods for that matter, and come on threatening the mighty Imperium with egg head, easier said than done, even your quizzy who's in favor of him is still theoretically obligated to the cause of the chantry and the maker and most of his allies are humans, quizzy wont be like, hey all of you allies that i gathered throw my journey let's praise that man over there and swear fealty to his quest. You see some of us don't roll an elf protagonist nor want to help elves, especially the evil god kind of them.
Wrap up his story in a dlc, and let us kill him, or carry him throw to another sequel(let's say DA5) but again you wont be quizzy, you'll be a fog warrior or an arishok, the archon of the imperium or the first warden or god knows what.
Arishok sounds good!
I know, it's all speculation. Still, something to do. And while not everyone WILL roll an elf, it's still an option. After all, it was noted that engineer was the least used of the classes, but they supported it. It even got it's own paragon action in Omega. Cutting out content for a specific class because someone doesn't like it...not going to happen. Because someone MIGHT want it. After all, the Flemeth/Mythal arc is heating up. The endgame is coming. Also, Dragon Age II suffered because it was so human centric.
And yes, it could happen. The Warden took off to find a cure for the Wardens. They walked away from defending Ferelden to search for this. Noble? Sure, but they DID abandon the Wardens. And who says that the INQUISITION will join Solas? I only suggested that the INQUISITOR could or should. As an option. One of the themes that has been building is about how the world DOESN'T revolve only around humanity. There are a LOT of players out there, and not everyone is happy about humanities rise. Mythal all but promised a reckoning. Considering that she seems to favor the elves, it isn't stretch to say that humanity will feel a fair amount of her wrath. Solas and his story ISN'T over...even if he dies or is killed, we can infer that he is going to do something to kick off a future plot. Something big and earth shaking.
Again, all speculation, but that's the point. Spitballing about what the future might bring, and what ideas we have and hope will appear. We may be wrong...we may be HORRIBLY wrong, but its fun. We like to throw out our ideas, because a part of us hopes that Bioware DOES listen and considers our opinions. Nothing wrong with that right?
a.The elder one became desperate. The Archdemon is just a result of an illness. The mother is just insane(she's a woman who was turned into a darkspawn birthing ghoul, anyone would become insane from slowly turning into that.) And everyone else were just bad guys who were knoches on the belt.
Complexity is great. But it's not like we don't have it.
B. I mean a bran new character. As in the next lead.
c.Josephine isn't......And she's the only one.
Of course we are getting a new PC. That's been the standard so far. It'd be strange to change that now. After seeing what they did with Hawke, I hope we do. The botched Hawke's cameo. Big time.
Josie isn't PHYSICALLY dangerous...but she was a bard. She is still POLITICALLY dangerous. She's just make you WISH that she'd killed you after destroying your reputation and everything else you worked so hard for.
BTW Yaroub, I DO think we should be able to kill him. As each play through is unique, I have one or two Inquisitors that are going to be REALLY unhappy when they find out who or what he is and what he might do. If we had the option of stabbing Morrigan, we CERTAINLY need the option to express our displeasure with Solas by bringing about the return of the Murder Knife. I can understand why some might want a Murder Axe though...
Does anyone think will get any DLC news this week?
Does anyone think will get any DLC news this week?
No, doubtful. Hope we hear something from Gamescom, but not holding my breath. We'll probably wake up one day, or get home from work and find it's just been dropped on the store or something. No announcement, just there.
Or it'll be another item pack. Because we LOVE item packs...instead of SPDLC, DON'T WE!
I don't care anymore I'll take any kinda of dlc with any kinda story at this point I feel unless we get something bordering on awakening size expansion(i know they say they aren't) It feels like the lack of news is really getting ridicoulous though I think I am just getting annoyed with all of there tweets
Arishok sounds good!
Aye, it will be interesting, could give us first look at Par Vollen and it's society, are they content with the qun, do they have the certainty that the arishok often bragged about, or do they view the qun as enslavement method that is stripping their freedom and how they chose to live, though they already have tal vashoth as the dwarves casteless have their carta, it would prove interesting how the qunaris majority feel about the philosophy of the qun.
I know, it's all speculation. Still, something to do. And while not everyone WILL roll an elf, it's still an option. After all, it was noted that engineer was the least used of the classes, but they supported it. It even got it's own paragon action in Omega. Cutting out content for a specific class because someone doesn't like it...not going to happen. Because someone MIGHT want it. After all, the Flemeth/Mythal arc is heating up. The endgame is coming. Also, Dragon Age II suffered because it was so human centric.
Yet, i still hold the right to despite Elves, especially that egg head can't stand him. I'll roll an elf for the first time soon, maybe i'll learn to like them a bit.
A lot of folks didn't mind the race restriction in DA2, it brought a more solid background story for the protagonist.
And yes, it could happen. The Warden took off to find a cure for the Wardens. They walked away from defending Ferelden to search for this. Noble? Sure, but they DID abandon the Wardens.
HOF could do what he wants, no one questions mighty Cousland, the man's a free spirit, let him wonder where his heart desire.
And who says that the INQUISITION will join Solas? I only suggested that the INQUISITOR could or should. As an option. One of the themes that has been building is about how the world DOESN'T revolve only around humanity. There are a LOT of players out there, and not everyone is happy about humanities rise.
Quizzy who's interested in helping egg head can do it, yet the inquisition shouldn't and wouldn't follow suit.
Humans were always on the rise, long before origins, it isn't like they suddenly risen to power.
Mythal all but promised a reckoning. Considering that she seems to favor the elves, it isn't stretch to say that humanity will feel a fair amount of her wrath.
By all means, let blasted Elves and their delusional gods do their best, humans would wipe the floor with them.
Solas and his story ISN'T over...even if he dies or is killed, we can infer that he is going to do something to kick off a future plot. Something big and earth shaking.
Meh 
, though you're probably right, perhaps they'll give us an option to kill him in a dlc while he wont actually die, like Flemeth, and thus send him to future installments of the game.
Again, all speculation, but that's the point. Spitballing about what the future might bring, and what ideas we have and hope will appear. We may be wrong...we may be HORRIBLY wrong, but its fun. We like to throw out our ideas, because a part of us hopes that Bioware DOES listen and considers our opinions. Nothing wrong with that right?
Nothing at all, after this godhood talk i now kind of wish the next game wont had any of it you know, just an open war between the nations of Thedas or the Imperium and qunaris, with numerous numbers of Infantry npcs, and you with a hack and slash weapon and just scourge your way throw the enemy frontlines, it would probably ruin the game, but will be relaxing after all the three past games lore and romance drama.
BTW Yaroub, I DO think we should be able to kill him. As each play through is unique, I have one or two Inquisitors that are going to be REALLY unhappy when they find out who or what he is and what he might do. If we had the option of stabbing Morrigan, we CERTAINLY need the option to express our displeasure with Solas by bringing about the return of the Murder Knife. I can understand why some might want a Murder Axe though...
Aye, now you're talking, good thoughts them evil thoughts, as for Morrigan I'd rather stab myself lol, each to their own i guess.
Gamescon conference schedule for those that are interested:
Microsoft - August 4th at 7am PT, 10am ET, 3pm BST
Microsoft Daily - August 5th at 9am PT, 12pm ET, 5pm BST & August 6th at 9am PT, 12pm ET, 5pm BST
EA - August 5th at 1am PT, 4am ET, 9am BST
Call of Duty - August 5th at 10am PT, 1pm ET, 6pm BST
Blizzard - August 6th at 9am PT, 12pm ET, 5pm BST
I think it's safe to say the DA:I DLC won't drop in the Blizzard or CoD conferences...
August 5th EA conference is where it's at people, fingers crossed.
EDIT: Also, about the DLC specifically, I really hope it doesn't give us a big choice when it comes to Solas. There are already too many big choices that leave so many alternate world states that it makes it too difficult for Bioware to expand or follow threads anywhere in future games. I'm thinking specifically of Kieran and the Old God soul now btw. Because it was optional BW couldn't have it follow through to a big event or have any kind of impact on the story, so all we got was some weird Omen type kid and a short sequence with Flemythal.
With Solas, say for example we can chooce to kill him or spare him; sparing him would mean that BW can't use him in any future games because there's a chance people killed him. All we would get then is maaaybe a cameo or two, perhaps in the form of a letter ala HoF, or a Coryfish esque resurrection.
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