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[Medallian]

I agree that their silence is telling, but still.....if we don't even get a little update that gives +50 more inventory space then I don't see how its logical to think we will be getting a patch that provides any more content?

 

I'm not saying I know something you don't know, I'm just saying if we can't have some more item capacity then why can we have a list of new content?  That doesn't add up to me.  If the answer was a good one then why would the question about it be met with silence? Evidence is right there.

but you know they can transfer damp char data from 360 to ONE

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

We are the harbinger of their perfection. Prepare these peasants for... ascension.

 

 

Hello, my name is NextArishok308, and PS4 is my favourite console on the Citadel!

[MightyMalgar]

Fall Back!

Repin ps3 up n here.

As far as No more DAI on the ps3.

Ok. Bioware did us dirty. I blame EA on that but I still blame Bioware just the same, real lazy and shanky of them.

As far as this Qunari dlc, couldnt care less. DLC Hakkon? Whack suace X2.

Any new whack dlc these cats drop on this game for single player I'll watch on utube.

Won't upgrade to ps4 to buy this gamr twice? HAHA. DAI is a full blown fail compared to ME3.

Just keeping 100. I'll keep playing the mp for the peep on there, but this is no ME3.

DA came out hard and this is the first games series I'll say ever that the orignial game is better than the two that came after  it.

[Yallegro]

People seem to be making some real careless comment about a transfer that would costs hundreds of dollars/euros just to play the exact same game.

 

 

This picture adequately sums up my thoughts on this.

 

 

Now ascend, you peasant.

 

 

Kind of ironic that you would ask people to "ascend" while clearly pointing upward

 

 

 

 

also

[XeNaKun]

I play damp on the 360, even though I have a Xbox1. There was a time when I bothered about MP progress transfer. But until they do something about all the connection issues, there is no way I will spend good money on another copy of a game that imho is frustratingly irritating to play.

Right now, I'm only playing the weekend challenges and that in itself is a chore.. Saturday, 5 out of 7 new games did not load, forcing a reset. 6 out of 6 "in progress" games loaded without any problem. I am now reduced to looking for game in progress lobbies.

Yes, I am one of the very very very few people from S E Asia playing damp so the match making system thingy is non existent in my region. I really like the game but ... There were times I almost snapped it in half. Until they improve on this or add Morrigan as a playable mp character, I will not be ascending.

[scene_cachet]

I play damp on the 360, even though I have a Xbox1. There was a time when I bothered about MP progress transfer. But until they do something about all the connection issues, there is no way I will spend good money on another copy of a game that imho is frustratingly irritating to play.

Right now, I'm only playing the weekend challenges and that in itself is a chore.. Saturday, 5 out of 7 new games did not load, forcing a reset. 6 out of 6 "in progress" games loaded without any problem. I am now reduced to looking for game in progress lobbies.

Yes, I am one of the very very very few people from S E Asia playing damp so the match making system thingy is non existent in my region. I really like the game but ... There were times I almost snapped it in half. Until they improve on this or add Morrigan as a playable mp character, I will not be ascending.

 

Yeah, SE Asia should really be in the same region matchmaking pool as Oceania.

[Theghostof_timmy]

The way they handled dropping old gen consoles wasn't great, but it should have been done long ago. PC players have long complained about games being held back by console limitations, with the continuing support for 360/ps3 new consoles were held back by old consoles. That's right 360 peasants, the reason all the mp characters are butt ugly is because of you.

[Spin-Orbit]

The way they handled dropping old gen consoles wasn't great, but it should have been done long ago. PC players have long complained about games being held back by console limitations, with the continuing support for 360/ps3 new consoles were held back by old consoles. That's right 360 peasants, the reason all the mp characters are butt ugly is because of you.

easy for you to say, the idea of paying for this game again regardless of the platform is pretty absurd. There is a implicit contractual understanding if you create something for a platform you support that platform not abandon it in middle. As I said before BW should give hefty discounts or free MP only like the PC to those console players who is forced to upgrade.

[Spectr61]

If I had an old gen console and Bioware marketed the game for my system, and then stopped support while continuing same for others, I would be upset.

Bioware should have never offered the game to the old gen in this case. Silly hope, but refunds?

That having been said, food for thought;

http://www.forbes.co...-keep-fighting/

[ParthianShotX]

I have the game on a next gen console and even I was irritated by the fact that they'd expect you to buy it twice.  

[Yallegro]

The way they handled dropping old gen consoles wasn't great, but it should have been done long ago. PC players have long complained about games being held back by console limitations, with the continuing support for 360/ps3 new consoles were held back by old consoles. That's right 360 peasants, the reason all the mp characters are butt ugly is because of you.

 

You don't actually believe that do you? The PS3 can render beautiful graphics, the PS3 port of DAI looked worse than most PS2 games

[Geth Supremacy]

You don't actually believe that do you? The PS3 can render beautiful graphics, the PS3 port of DAI looked worse than most PS2 games

 

I've just started putting those kind of people on my ignore list.  I don't even want to see that bull anymore.  I'm all for a good trolling, but at least put some effort or thought into it.  And if they're actually serious? pfffff.  Console wars and all that are all good as long as you're just trolling, but at the end of the day you are an idiot to not see that we are all gamers and all on the same side.

 

EA and Bioware made the decision to put the games on last gen.  The PS3 didn't walk over there with a bat and make them do it and even so its DONE.  It's not "still" holding the game back.  It "did" its over now.  We are talking dlc, the game has been released.  And what they have done now is bull.

 

I think its less about the game and more that they are the type of people who grab their ankles for game companies.

 

Yeah bro like GTA V and Skyrim like don't exist on last gen bro.  They couldn't handle that.  DAI looks better than those game mayne.  They didn't let last gen hold them back.  When the PS3 went over there talking tough and tried to them to put THEIR games on the system they pulled the chain out bro and ran it off.

[TheThirdRace]

I'm a bit torned about this issue.

On one hand, they did say they would support the game longer than ME3MP. I know it's been debated that quote was not official, but then again they haven't confirmed it was false either. In any case, their lack of transparency made it a reality in the eyes of their customers so they kinda have to assume the consequences.

On the other hand, I understand the business point of view. Just check the numbers for the weekend challenge: 80K PS4/PC, 40K X1, 20K PS3/360. I find our PC community abysmally small, if the PS3/360 community have 25% of that number how could you justify spending that much money in making new content work on those platforms?

I think the problem is one of "point of view".

Most players see it like EA/Bioware released a game and should support it for eternity. That's far from what reality is, all EA/Bioware are "obligated" to do is to give us an acceptable experience. They spent a lot of money on patches, well deserved patches because the product was far from ready at launch, but they spent the money nonetheless.

Just like in ME3MP, new content is based on how much revenue it can bring in. Bioware stopped releasing new content for ME3MP when they couldn't justify it financially. Same principle applies to DAIMP. They saw the numbers for PS3/360 and couldn't justify it.

I think EA/Bioware had a difficult choice to make. Either they stopped new content for all of the platforms or they sacrificed the ones that couldn't keep up. I much prefer their current choice than stopping new content for all platforms. It's heartbreaking, but nothing in this world is just rainbows and lollipops. Business is business, they at least try to make amend with options like save and DLC transfers. They should allow you to trade your PS3/360 game to a PS4/X1 game for like 5$ to cover their expenses, but sadly I'm not the one devising their business practices.

And before anyone thinks I'm a EA/Bioware fanboy, I'll just say I'm openly criticizing them for a lot of things. EA is the only company I know of that can do something incredibly good for people around the world and sacrifice 3 newborn babies in the same week. It's like they can't do good without balancing it with equal or worst evil... They're not perfect by a long shot, damn they're bottom feeder in morality most of the time, but at least I can understand their motives with this specific decision.

[scene_cachet]

I have the game on a next gen console and even I was irritated by the fact that they'd expect you to buy it twice.  

 

Agreed. 

 

They really should be offering an upgrade program like EA/Ubisoft and Activision did at launch time. If you owned AC4/CoD Ghosts/Battlefield 4/NBA 2k14 on PS3 you could upgrade it to the PS4 version.

 

But in this case it should be HEAVILY discounted/Free. 

 

Even Square Enix let you upgrade from PS3 to PS4 for FFXIV for free.

[Spectr61]

BLUF, (bottom line up front)

They should keep supporting the systems included at launch.

I am selfish enough to like the fact that I will be able to access the new content, but that doesn't change the fact that they made the decision once to include the old gens, and to stop midstream is in my opinion unconscionable.

Even with a free upgrade, they are still mandating a player buy new equipment. Also not a good thing to be doing.

The fact is, they made a decision once. A bad one from my viewpoint, but they should stick with it.

[scene_cachet]

BLUF, (bottom line up front)

They should keep supporting the systems included at launch.

I am selfish enough to like the fact that I will be able to access the new content, but that doesn't change the fact that they made the decision once to include the old gens, and to stop midstream is in my opinion unconscionable.

Even with a free upgrade, they are still mandating a player buy new equipment. Also not a good thing to be doing.

The fact is, they made a decision once. A bad one from my viewpoint, but they should stick with it.

 

Well they won't be making a game ever again on old gen, so even though it was bad practice a free upgrade is fair trade.

This MP dlc is free DLC so they have no obligation to keep supporting it and there must have been some pretty telling numbers during the Age of Hakkon release that led them to ditch paid for content too.

[Spectr61]

Well they won't be making a game ever again on old gen, so even though it was bad practice a free upgrade is fair trade.
This MP dlc is free DLC so they have no obligation to keep supporting it and there must have been some pretty telling numbers during the Age of Hakkon release that led them to ditch paid for content too.

That is true, but still forcing people to buy a new system is not in my view good practice.

So what is "fair" with forcing someone to buy new equipment? Even with a free upgrade to their originally purchased game.

And even if with free DLC, I bet there are poor souls who bought the game for their old gens thinking they would be included in the DLC/new content process, free of not. After all, isn't that a reasonable expectation based on past experience and the fact old gens s were included at launch?

I don't even have a horse in this race, as I am on PC - but to me it is an iniquity, based on a poor decision to include them in the first place.

[scene_cachet]

I'm pretty sure they played the cards they were dealt the only way the could. 

 

When they were first in development it was all doom and gloom for future consoles according to analysts, pc gamers and the rest of the world. 

They put their eggs in all baskets to lessen the risk if the eighth generation of consoles failed, it seems it was the opposite and majority of people who bought the game were on the new gen.

 

If you bought the game at launch, then you have had more than your $60 worth of content to be fair and obviously the sales for paid DLC on old consoles must be abysmal for them to even consider not releasing future content on it.

[Spectr61]

I bet you are right.


Still, BW should have accountability for their decisions. Like I said before, it was a crap decision in the first place, but it was theirs, they should stick to it.

Then again, probably fantasy on my part, but I like accountability.

[scene_cachet]

I bet you are right.


Still, BW should have accountability for their decisions. Like I said before, it was a crap decision in the first place, but it was theirs, they should stick to it.

Then again, probably fantasy on my part, but I like accountability.

 

I agree that they need to be accountable, however they shouldn't have to waste money on free content and paid DLC if it's not paying for itself and is directly effecting development budgets on current gen and PC.

[Shadohz]

-SNIP-

I understand how you can come to this conclusion but that just isn't how things work when it comes to dropping product support. Businesses scope out far ahead of time the potential business loss/gain when it comes to supporting new technology or dropping a legacy platform. You're looking at it from the perspective of telemetry from short-term gains. There's also potential long-term gain/loss (i.e. legacy owners who buy the product a year or more down the road).

However let's get off the financial aspect. The decision to drop legacy support is not an at-whim process that one or two people make while staring at financial reports. Here's a list of reasons why you would drop product support:
1. Company A did not renew a contract license for 3rd party software use with Company B.

2. Company A is violation of a contract agreement by continuing to use 3rd party software created by Company B.

3. Company A can no longer support the product because Company B who owns the product officially dropped support and/or announced EOL.

4. Company A can no longer support the product because Company B went out of business/bought out.
5. Internally the development team has switched over to a new technology that is not compatible with legacy products.

6. Not enough staff to support both a legacy and nextgen team.

7. The number of clients using legacy has fallen into niche/one-off status (i.e. 5% or so of your entire customer base).

8. Incompetence.

Let's translate these into something you might understand. At the time when Windows XP was the minimal supported client OS, I was also responsible for product testing Vista, 7, Svr2003 all ed, Svr2008 all ed, 2011 SBS, Office XP/2003/2010, IE 6/7/8/9, Safari/Chrome/FF/Opera, Adobe products, licensing for all those listed, and finally the hardware used for testing and certifying all those listed. I tried unsuccessfully for two years straight to have XP dropped as a supported product. The reasons why were because supporting XP held back our ability to focus on 64bit improvements and doubled my testing time since I had to support all products that were XP-compatible. However if I had unilateral decision to drop it, then it would've impacted millions of our users who refused or could not afford to upgrade. Once a year I had to write up a review when our new-year release was coming out. Each year I'd write a request to drop support. My review had to go thru my team which included other devs who made a decision. The opinion/decision would pass on to product management. They would talk with the Integration team that included experts from other applications, the Lab,  and the Support staff. Their opinion/decision went on to Finance, Marketing, Publication and the Executive teams. A month if not more down the road I'd get a 'yea or nay' on my proposal plus feedback.

In the 3 years it took to finally get XP dropped, our company had rolled out with a brand-new application versions that didn't include XP-compatible technology. So that spread my testing compliance out even further since I had to "cut corners" on legacy testing to confirm the new versions were being thoroughly reviewed. I also had to spend time making small code changes for our legacy version since it was in maintenance mode. The legacy apps had to have the same features as the nextgen, less the exclusive 64bit and non-XP enhancements. We disclosed the features, their differences and the system requirements on our website (something I was also responsible for). There are checks and balances throughout the entire process. I wasn't allowed to publish anything, enforce decisions, or accept new technology changes that wasn't reviewed by my immediate supervisor, their boss and at least two other impacted teams.

What in the world does that have to do with PS3 and XBox360? The same business principles apply here. Can you imagine if I and a few rogue developers got our way and decided to say "Eff XP users. Upgrade your ish." There would've been bad reviews and pink slips being issued out. Can you imagine if we pulled support for XP mid-year that impacted millions of client users without giving them prior notice? Can you imagine the fallout if they found we planned to pull support but didn't tell them prior to selling them the newest year release? We get a ton of angry complaints, clients going over to competitors, and refund requests. I'd rather sit on a escalated support call and hash it out with IT manager who's a bit more understanding than someone from a client's Purchase team.

Something you have to understand is that support is included in the cost of purchase. What level of support you get is done at the point of sales. That means the company selling the product absorbs the cost of support (or rather passes on the cost in ticket price) for the length of time they express and the type given (free, cost per call/transaction, liability). If you state that you're going to offer technical and application support for X amount of time, then that also includes changes that go along with it. What BW or EA decided to do was pull a grey area tactic on legacy gamers. The decision to drop DLC support for legacy platforms was made before Nov 2014. I almost guarantee it. I don't see how they didn't see it coming. Had they advertised that they'd discontinue DLC support for legacy consoles mid-year then obviously legacy gamers wouldn't buy the game, at least quite enough that it would effect their bottom dollar. R* did the exact same thing except R*'s people are smarter. They called the new DLCs "XBone/PS4 exclusives for GTAV". If you read the R* forum you'll notice that it took gamers a couple of months to realize they got snowjobbed.

I don't begrudge BW/EA for dropping support for legacy platforms, but at least have the balls to be honest about it. The reason I called the practice unethical as opposed to illegal is because there is no specific law or EULA violation I could find to say what they did wasn't on the up-and-up. That's one of the problems I expressed about game publisher accountability. It's free market and it's like the wild, wild west. They can make up the rules as they go as long as there is noone or a governing body to challenge what they're doing.

 

[Theghostof_timmy]

I've just started putting those kind of people on my ignore list.  I don't even want to see that bull anymore.  I'm all for a good trolling, but at least put some effort or thought into it.  And if they're actually serious? pfffff.  Console wars and all that are all good as long as you're just trolling, but at the end of the day you are an idiot to not see that we are all gamers and all on the same side.

 

EA and Bioware made the decision to put the games on last gen.  The PS3 didn't walk over there with a bat and make them do it and even so its DONE.  It's not "still" holding the game back.  It "did" its over now.  We are talking dlc, the game has been released.  And what they have done now is bull.

 

I think its less about the game and more that they are the type of people who grab their ankles for game companies.

 

Yeah bro like GTA V and Skyrim like don't exist on last gen bro.  They couldn't handle that.  DAI looks better than those game mayne.  They didn't let last gen hold them back.  When the PS3 went over there talking tough and tried to them to put THEIR games on the system they pulled the chain out bro and ran it off.

U mad bro? It did hold it back and it continued to up until they cancelled support.

 

-First of all, a couple of things look nice in DAI, and the rest looks like ****. All the character models except for the main characters in SP look like a kid drew them with a crayon. See darkspawn models. The scenery and whatnot looks good from a distance, look at it up close though and you can see the low res textures.

 

- Skyrim and GTA comparison is bogus in every way. Skyrim wasn't even released on current gen, it was too early. And GTA was completely rebuilt for new gen. Take one look at the two versions and you can see the difference. GTA still expects you to buy the game again to upgrade, BTW.

 

-Old gen continued to hold current gen and PC back because every update and dlc had to be ported to those consoles. 5 customized patches instead of 3 is a lot of extra work, work that clearly isn't paying off for them.

 

- 2 years since the new consoles came out, after a decade with 360/ps3, and you couldn't be bothered to buy a new console? I'm not sympathetic. I'm not sure how you can block me since you're a old gen peasant, but go ahead. Mayne.

[Spin-Orbit]

U mad bro? It did hold it back and it continued to up until they cancelled support.
 
-First of all, a couple of things look nice in DAI, and the rest looks like ****. All the character models except for the main characters in SP look like a kid drew them with a crayon. See darkspawn models. The scenery and whatnot looks good from a distance, look at it up close though and you can see the low res textures.
 
- Skyrim and GTA comparison is bogus in every way. Skyrim wasn't even released on current gen, it was too early. And GTA was completely rebuilt for new gen. Take one look at the two versions and you can see the difference. GTA still expects you to buy the game again to upgrade, BTW.
 
-Old gen continued to hold current gen and PC back because every update and dlc had to be ported to those consoles. 5 customized patches instead of 3 is a lot of extra work, work that clearly isn't paying off for them.
 
- 2 years since the new consoles came out, after a decade with 360/ps3, and you couldn't be bothered to buy a new console? I'm not sympathetic. I'm not sure how you can block me since you're a old gen peasant, but go ahead. Mayne.

Truly nonsense comment. It is BW/EA's choice and if they didn't have to support it may not have made a difference. Greed is their motive also you're not aware of the inner decision process to even know if they would have funded more for new gen platforms or went aheqad with the game without old gen.

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

That is true, but still forcing people to buy a new system is not in my view good practice.

 

I think a little perspective is needed here:

1. BioWare is forcing you to do nothing. You can still enjoy the vast majority of what the game has to offer, and if you find the decision to drop support unacceptable, there is still a massive library established for both Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. If you did so, that is a consequence of BioWare's choice.

 

2. Let's get real here: If you did not want to have to update your system, you would buy a PC. Consoles are meant to provide a fixed length of entertainment, then a new console is meant to be bought. Obviously, no one has to buy a new console, but console makers and developers will encourage it, each for their own reason. PC's, conversely, have the potential to upgrade individual parts to mitigate cost while maintaining relevant hardware. Consoles do not have that option, at least right now.

 

While I personally own an Xbox 360 and love it, it comes as no shock to me that support is being dropped. The current gen systems have been out for a couple of years now, and I decided against buying one for various reasons not pertinent to this discussion. However, while the gaming world is moving on to the new consoles, I can still enjoy classics like Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, and... Kinectimals?

 

 

Anecdotally, I have been in Shadohz position recently in regards to application development / testing. Thankfully, Windows XP was unilaterally dropped a couple of years back for us, but the transition was... not very pleasant. That and, until very recently, there were a few "relic" application (I wouldn't even call them legacy) that just wouldn't go away because certain high up people had taken the worst possible stance: "It's the way we've always done it."

 

Have I mentioned that finding detrimental security flaws in ancient software is quite elating? Too bad there are no developers to support that application anymore... Guess we'll have to get something new!

[Theghostof_timmy]

Truly nonsense comment. It is BW/EA's choice and if they didn't have to support it may not have made a difference. Greed is their motive also you're not aware of the inner decision process to even know if they would have funded more for new gen platforms or went aheqad with the game without old gen.

The butthurt is real. I would say you got your money's worth of content already. Would you rather have not had the game at all?