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Better that than having the rug suddenly pulled out from under them I'd say. At least they can make an informed decision. All they were told is that their consoles would be fully supported. One would have reasonably assumed that was for the entire life cycle.

Or at the very least before release BW should have said 'Oh yeah, if you buy on a 360 or PS3, you'll be able to get a couple of the DLC we're releasing.'
at least they could have made a fully informed decision at the time of purchase.

 

The largest issue with this is that the post that people keep referring to is from three months before the game even launched, a game that was pushed back a month to fix some of the 'larger' bugs in the coding. The vast majority of the bugs that I've noticed are more prominent on the old gen systems (I've played on two platforms so I've seen some of them first hand as well). I've even tried Jaws of Hakkon on 360 and it hurt my brain the sheer amount of horrid bugs and yet I only found one on the Xbone version. 

 

The second thing is that the team that originally put DA:I on the table isn't 100% together anymore, we know of at least one main name that went to work on another project. We don't get an exact name as that Destructoid story does say "Representative" instead on actual name to protect the person's anonymity. It also only says that we were expected to see support longer than ME3MP (it only refers to MP), it never specifies which platforms would receive such support. A crappy way to think, yes, but that grey area in their speech does protect them somewhat.

 

Next thing is: Yes many of Bioware's games did have DLC but no one was actually paying for the main game to have access to the later DLC, you were paying for the main game and its MP side-component (whether you wanted MP or not). The $60 or $70 or $170 (I bought the Inquisitor's Edition, an enhanced edition once, and a standard edition copy which is why I add the extra prices) price tag of the original game does grant you access to certain things such as patching if its possible (plenty of games never even get to the patching phase, such as the fiasco of Batman Arkham Knight and its PC port). Although the patches you've already received may not have fixed all of the problems, it at least fixed some of them. Some games do acquire patches far quicker yes, and there are also some that are still so buggy that you can barely finish the main game + never get patched.

 

They have made some reparations towards the previous gen for the people that are possibly going to jump platforms and acquire the game a second time; you get to trade your save and MP data to the next platform if its in the same line-up (PS3 -> PS4 or 360 -> One) and if you bought JoH or SoH you can acquire them without an additional charge (It will save you the $20 I paid a second time before they made this change.). As for acquiring a copy of the game if you did decide to upgrade I suggest Gamestop ($39.99 for Xbone or PS4 physical copy) or Walmart ($34.58 Xbone or $32.19 PS4 physical copy). Xbox One and PS4 have also been posting Dragon Age and its DLCs at various price cuts in the last couple of months, so its possible that they were expecting this to come to public knowledge and were trying to pre-empt it with a cheaper price for those that had already made the leap to the new systems.

 

PC players were able to at least acquire a six hour trial and MP without a charge, maybe we'll see them wade further in for MP on the other platforms at least but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. 



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Just a few questions/thoughts on migration from PS3 to PS4.

For now no need to get into the cost of a new console and a PS4 version of a game I already paid for.

Can anyone using the PS4 version say they suffer from radom DC's, FC issues such as caused by bringing the Baird into battle, random FC freeze ups for apparently no reason ( just the host or more than one ) and radom glitches when in combat with the Dragon in NM?

Are the current connectivity, freeze ups, DC's and random in game glitches an issue with either server? They are separate correct?

What is the current player base size of MP on the PS4?

What is the current player base size of MP on the PS3?

If the server for each ( or both if linked ) has been operating at just under -10% ( which is a standard rule of thumb max I believe ) what would happen to the server if forced migration occured with just 80% of the PS3 player base in quick succession? What if each player base was cut by say 40%?

Would the PS4 player base server have more or less issues?


I can try to answer this.

Going from ps3 to ps4:

I don't get the freezing issue anymore. And one thing i noticed right off is that the system reboots super quick and launches games super quick. The load times feel significantly shorter. I haven't timed it or anything but I used to hate having to hard boot my system after a freeze because it took forever for the orchestra to warm up, for the system to tell me it crashed las time and to deny sending an error report and deny it from defragging the hdd. Then to load the game. Wait for it to connect, reload the lobby i was in only to have my spot full or be several waves behind.

The only thing i have seen consistently is the crash to dashboard. I feel like it happens most when playing FC as host. Plus your Narnia here and there. I have played a lot recently but not had an issue in a while. Probably luck tho.

The player base seems way more active than ps3. Lots of quick perilous games in the pm in est. Not a lot of empty lobbies. I can't remember getting on in perilous or below. I have had little success finding pug nightmare matches but thats probably every platform.

One other observation is that i run into very few people that mic up. Not sure why that is so different. Im hoping some of the outspoken ps3 community makes the jump so i don't feel like im talking to no one all the time.

Hope that helped. It's not all sunshine and rainbows all the time but I do notice a marked improvement in quality of life sorts of things.
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The largest issue with this is that the post that people keep referring to is from three months before the game even launched, a game that was pushed back a month to fix some of the 'larger' bugs in the coding. The vast majority of the bugs that I've noticed are more prominent on the old gen systems (I've played on two platforms so I've seen some of them first hand as well). I've even tried Jaws of Hakkon on 360 and it hurt my brain the sheer amount of horrid bugs and yet I only found one on the Xbone version.

The second thing is that the team that originally put DA:I on the table isn't 100% together anymore, we know of at least one main name that went to work on another project. We don't get an exact name as that Destructoid story does say "Representative" instead on actual name to protect the person's anonymity. It also only says that we were expected to see support longer than ME3MP (it only refers to MP), it never specifies which platforms would receive such support. A crappy way to think, yes, but that grey area in their speech does protect them somewhat.

Next thing is: Yes many of Bioware's games did have DLC but no one was actually paying for the main game to have access to the later DLC, you were paying for the main game and its MP side-component (whether you wanted MP or not). The $60 or $70 or $170 (I bought the Inquisitor's Edition, an enhanced edition once, and a standard edition copy which is why I add the extra prices) price tag of the original game does grant you access to certain things such as patching if its possible (plenty of games never even get to the patching phase, such as the fiasco of Batman Arkham Knight and its PC port). Although the patches you've already received may not have fixed all of the problems, it at least fixed some of them. Some games do acquire patches far quicker yes, and there are also some that are still so buggy that you can barely finish the main game + never get patched.

They have made some reparations towards the previous gen for the people that are possibly going to jump platforms and acquire the game a second time; you get to trade your save and MP data to the next platform if its in the same line-up (PS3 -> PS4 or 360 -> One) and if you bought JoH or SoH you can acquire them without an additional charge (It will save you the $20 I paid a second time before they made this change.). As for acquiring a copy of the game if you did decide to upgrade I suggest Gamestop ($39.99 for Xbone or PS4 physical copy) or Walmart ($34.58 Xbone or $32.19 PS4 physical copy). Xbox One and PS4 have also been posting Dragon Age and its DLCs at various price cuts in the last couple of months, so its possible that they were expecting this to come to public knowledge and were trying to pre-empt it with a cheaper price for those that had already made the leap to the new systems.

PC players were able to at least acquire a six hour trial and MP without a charge, maybe we'll see them wade further in for MP on the other platforms at least but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.


NO. They aren't double dipping into my pockets. I can't believe this is the standard that people accept. Bioware/EA ripped us off. I will no longer support them.
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One other observation is that i run into very few people that mic up. Not sure why that is so different. Im hoping some of the outspoken ps3 community makes the jump so i don't feel like im talking to no one all the time.

 

I'm going to try and make an effort to mic up more. I mic'd up all the time on PS3, so not sure why everyone is so silent on PS4.

 

I know I sometimes don't like mic'ing up on PS4 because of the mic system. The little chintzy one that comes with the PS4 is wired, so you gotta plug it into your controller and it's just... a little awkward. So, I got a nice wireless, Playstation Gold headset that covers my ears. Which is great for gaming after my husband's gone to bed because I can hear game audio without having to run it through my loudspeaker system and wake him up. The downside is that it's a bit uncomfortable to wear for a long time, so I often forgo it and game with my loudspeakers on and saving mic'ing up for when others are talking. But since hardly any others talk, it becomes a vicious circle of no-mic-use.

 

Will endeavor to try and change that. See if it influences others to mic up as well.

 

I wish the PS4 would freaking allow the old PS3 bluetooth sits-in-one-ear mic I had. That thing was comfortable. So comfortable. :(


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One other observation is that i run into very few people that mic up. Not sure why that is so different. Im hoping some of the outspoken ps3 community makes the jump so i don't feel like im talking to no one all the time.

 

When my husband first started playing DAIMP on PS4 in February it seemed like everyone spoke on mic and I was kind of jealous since PC was pretty quiet.  Now hearing mic chat while he's playing is pretty rare.  Too bad :(


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I can try to answer this.

Going from ps3 to ps4:

I don't get the freezing issue anymore. And one thing i noticed right off is that the system reboots super quick and launches games super quick. The load times feel significantly shorter. I haven't timed it or anything but I used to hate having to hard boot my system after a freeze because it took forever for the orchestra to warm up, for the system to tell me it crashed las time and to deny sending an error report and deny it from defragging the hdd. Then to load the game. Wait for it to connect, reload the lobby i was in only to have my spot full or be several waves behind.

The only thing i have seen consistently is the crash to dashboard. I feel like it happens most when playing FC as host. Plus your Narnia here and there. I have played a lot recently but not had an issue in a while. Probably luck tho.

The player base seems way more active than ps3. Lots of quick perilous games in the pm in est. Not a lot of empty lobbies. I can't remember getting on in perilous or below. I have had little success finding pug nightmare matches but thats probably every platform.

One other observation is that i run into very few people that mic up. Not sure why that is so different. Im hoping some of the outspoken ps3 community makes the jump so i don't feel like im talking to no one all the time.

Hope that helped. It's not all sunshine and rainbows all the time but I do notice a marked improvement in quality of life sorts of things.

 

No freezing? Even when someone is playing vituoso on FC and spamming barrier and all the other stuff?

 

As far as the mic system goes, I would think its the same as PS3.  I will pug if I need to level or something, but aside from that unless they have a mic I'm really not playing with them with any consistency.  Then of course you find a core group of miced people and you never leave private rooms ever again haha.

 

As for the "outspoken ps3 community" you mentioned?  You have about a month to wait (maybe a little longer in some cases).  It's a nightly conversation.  There are a few that are saying they refuse to buy a Bioware game ever again (even used)  Some are looking forward to other games and old friends, but the migration is coming and it's all the people you are thinking about.  Before long you will be back to sitting in pug rooms waiting for a spot to open up so you can get in :lol: and so much trash talking and joking you can't even get the mic.

 

Be forewarned traitor.  You are on the list.  You know what's coming when you go down.  I wouldn't be surprised if you even get your own special song.  The king himself is looking for you.


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Be forewarned traitor.  You are on the list.  You know what's coming when you go down.  I wouldn't be surprised if you even get your own special song.  The king himself is looking for you.

 


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No freezing? Even when someone is playing vituoso on FC and spamming barrier and all the other stuff?

 

As far as the mic system goes I would think its the same as PS3.  I will pug if I need to level or something, but aside from that unless they have a mic I'm really not playing with them with any consistency.  Then of course you find a core group of miced people and you never leave private rooms ever again haha.

 

As for the "outspoken ps3 community" you mentioned?  You have about a month to wait (maybe a little longer in some cases).  It's a nightly conversation.  There are a few that are saying they refuse to buy a Bioware game again (even used)  Some are looking forward to other games and old friends, but the migration is coming and it's all the people you are thinking about.  Before long you will be back to sitting in pug rooms waiting for a spot to open up so you can get in :lol: and so much trash talking and joking you can't even get the mic.

 

Be forewarned traitor.  You are on the list.  You know what's coming when you go down.  I wouldn't be surprised if you even get your own special song.  The king himself is looking for you.

 

Only freezing I have experienced is FC with two Virtuosos in the party. Just one is okay.

 

Also, no worries, if Texas falls into certain circles on PS4, his bagging is assured anyway. We do it here, too. We just haven't gotten cultured and fancy enough to serenade folks while we bag them. Gotta work on that. Can't let you older last-gen brothers best us at something.  :lol:


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I can try to answer this.

Going from ps3 to ps4:

I don't get the freezing issue anymore. And one thing i noticed right off is that the system reboots super quick and launches games super quick. The load times feel significantly shorter. I haven't timed it or anything but I used to hate having to hard boot my system after a freeze because it took forever for the orchestra to warm up, for the system to tell me it crashed las time and to deny sending an error report and deny it from defragging the hdd. Then to load the game. Wait for it to connect, reload the lobby i was in only to have my spot full or be several waves behind.

The only thing i have seen consistently is the crash to dashboard. I feel like it happens most when playing FC as host. Plus your Narnia here and there. I have played a lot recently but not had an issue in a while. Probably luck tho.

The player base seems way more active than ps3. Lots of quick perilous games in the pm in est. Not a lot of empty lobbies. I can't remember getting on in perilous or below. I have had little success finding pug nightmare matches but thats probably every platform.

One other observation is that i run into very few people that mic up. Not sure why that is so different. Im hoping some of the outspoken ps3 community makes the jump so i don't feel like im talking to no one all the time.

Hope that helped. It's not all sunshine and rainbows all the time but I do notice a marked improvement in quality of life sorts of things.

 

+1

I can concur on this.  FC with Zither, or three, no issues, and my internet connection is crap.  Texas, we need to play together some time.  

 

And before we start calling each other traitors (some people who shall remain nameless :whistle: ), I upgraded my system when the hardware failed, rather than replace it.  


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No freezing? Even when someone is playing vituoso on FC and spamming barrier and all the other stuff?

 

I don't play support virtuoso, but I can go back to a super song spammer build and see how much I can destroy someone's good time. I honestly haven't tried it yet. I hear tale that there are still frame rate and slowdown issues just judging from people's complaints on here but I'll try to see if I can get some first hand experience with this.



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I'm gonna miss the PS3 though.  The games and the people.  It was hell of a ride.  I've laughed to tears on more then one occasion due to people on PSN, but never like clockwork until I met this group on DAMP. LFD needs to take his ass on tour. 

 

 

+234 cool points to anyone can tell me where you've heard that song before.  I'll throw in the towel I wiped Bioware's spit off of my face with if you can name the scene

 

There are a lot of songs I can think of that would describe my feelings about being on PS4.  None that I can post here in daycare though.  Hmmm.....I'll need to edit one in later probably.



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We making an list and checking it twice. Who are the PS4ERS who post here. I WANT NAMES!!! :D



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We making an list and checking it twice. Who are the PS4ERS who post here. I WANT NAMES!!! :D

 



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So, wait, I'm confused. Are the PS3ers coming after any and all PS4ers? Or just coming after the PS3ers who jumped ship early?

 

I'm confused as to the target of your angry bagging expedition. Unless you're just taking out your general rage at forced-ascension by targeting any BSNer who's on PS4, regardless of original DAIMP status.  :lol:



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LOL, where you find my video :o
 


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So, wait, I'm confused. Are the PS3ers coming after any and all PS4ers? Or just coming after the PS3ers who jumped ship early?

 

I'm confused as to the target of your angry bagging expedition. Unless you're just taking out your general rage at forced-ascension by targeting any BSNer who's on PS4, regardless of original DAIMP status.  :lol:

 

We get into that later. Just names for now ;)
 



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So, wait, I'm confused. Are the PS3ers coming after any and all PS4ers? Or just coming after the PS3ers who jumped ship early?

 

I'm confused as to the target of your angry bagging expedition. Unless you're just taking out your general rage at forced-ascension by targeting any BSNer who's on PS4, regardless of original DAIMP status.  :lol:

 

A complicated system is set in place.

 

Think of it like:  No chin is guaranteed to be safe from the teabag king, but the more worthy you are the more perks you get. 

 

I don't want to give away too many secrets as they would disown me, but is it a big deal when your health goes into red?  (is it announced with the official shout or is it more like "uh o" or "ohhhh")  When you die do get a few bounces or a lot?  Do you get hummed to or a song?  Does everyone join in or just whoever is closest? Do you get revived or do you literally get t bagged into fade or until the game is lost?  Was a rock armor potion used in your session? Barrier? How about a duet or a trio?

 

Many other things apply, but that should give you the gist.  Serious business.


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I'm gonna miss the PS3 though.  The games and the people.  It was hell of a ride.  I've laughed to tears on more then one occasion due to people on PSN, but never like clockwork until I met this group on DAMP. LFD needs to take his ass on tour. 

 

 

+234 cool points to anyone can tell me where you've heard that song before.  I'll throw in the towel I wiped Bioware's spit off of my face with if you can name the scene

 

There are a lot of songs I can think of that would describe my feelings about being on PS4.  None that I can post here in daycare though.  Hmmm.....I'll need to edit one in later probably.

 

Its the Driving scene in the episode "Long Term Parking" Sopranos Season 5. 


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Its the Driving scene in the episode "Long Term Parking" Sopranos Season 5. 

 

As long as you didn't cheat when looking it up you are the man.  Well done sir.



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A complicated system set in place.

 

Think of it like.  No chin is guaranteed to be safe from the teabag king, but the more worthy you are the more perks you get. 

 

I don't want to give away too many secrets as they would disown me, but is it a big deal when your health goes into red?  (is it announced with the official shout or is it more like "uh o" or "ohhhh")  When you die do get a few bounces or a lot?  Do you get hummed to or a song?  Does everyone join in or just whoever is closest? Do you get revived or do you literally get t bagged into fade or until the game is lost?  Was a rock armor potion used in your session? Barrier? How about a duet or a trio?

 

Many other things apply, but that should give you the jist.  Serious business.

 

Oh, my. Very serious business indeed!

 

We've been much simpler creatures so far here in PS4 Land. In the circles I've run in before, it's usually just a race to the downed player and whoever gets there first gets the full honors. No song and dance (we seriously need to work on that), but each player seems to have their own, unique style. Some are fast enough you can almost hear the bag dribbling off the player's face like a basketball. Others like to let the bag steep down there for a while. Some just have a slow, steady steeping motion. And still others (my preferred style) like to do a little cantering rhythm of diiiiiip andupand diiiiiip andupand diiiipppp.

 

So far, have not seen any so cruel as to bag into the Fade or to full team wipes. But have seen some baggers also get downed in the bagging process, which is an extra delight in being able to double-bag both, alternating favors, until finally reviving them to walk the rest of their match in shame.


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As long as you didn't cheat when looking it up you are the man.  Well done sir.

 

Didn't need to even look it up, I have that season sitting on my desk because I was watching last week. 



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Didn't need to even look it up, I have that season sitting on my desk because I was watching last week. 

 

Are you rewatching it?  I will never like how it ended, but I understand it.  I don't need a happy ending but....... anyways.

 

I don't know how much of a appreciation you have of film making or just someones insane gifts/artistic abilities, but if you love the show you should read this if you haven't already.  Obviously AFTER you have watched everything.  A huge chunk of it is dedicated to the ending, but when it gets past that and you see how much foreshadowing and meaning was in such subtle things I'm talking from the first season to the last as Chase's great mind had it all mapped out.  It will really make the show stand out to you.  Amazing.

 

https://masterofsopr...ion-of-the-end/



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NO. They aren't double dipping into my pockets. I can't believe this is the standard that people accept. Bioware/EA ripped us off. I will no longer support them.

 

So what you're telling me by this is that you want a second copy of the game if or when you buy a new console for free? I do specify second copy because that $60 game you've been playing the passed couple of months is a game on it's own, nowhere on the box itself does it specify "DLC to complete this game"

 

That's not fair to the people that shelled out the extra cash to upgrade before this fiasco even came to light. It's also not fair to the people, such as myself, that bought two platform types because they had people they knew couldn't afford to upgrade either. 

 

Don't do the "Its not fair but its what's right" angle in this case either, because the right answer would have been to cut the old gen out before this could have even been an issue. As sad and petty as that sounds, its true; the only reasons they even did the PS3/360 versions A.) They wanted people to be able to have their DA:I and complete the defunct trilogy on the old systems and B.) It meant more cash flow in E.A.'s pocket. 

 

Its a darned if you do and darned if you don't scenario for Bioware because they either A.) Cut off old gen from the game in the first place and have an outcry of "You ruined DA by cutting off half the audience because we can't play it now" or B.) They support the old gen as long as they can and then people that are still playing on the old gen have an out pouring of hatred when Bioware figures out that there are some things that just wont work within the confines of the old gen hardware and have to cut off the old gen from part of the content.

 

I'm not blaming Bioware because the vast majority of the problems with Bioware aren't its fault, they have to abide by whatever the purse strings tell them to do. (ME3's ending is the only point where I'd say its still BW's fault.)



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So what you're telling me by this is that you want a second copy of the game if or when you buy a new console for free? I do specify second copy because that $60 game you've been playing the passed couple of months is a game on it's own, nowhere on the box itself does it specify "DLC to complete this game"

That's not fair to the people that shelled out the extra cash to upgrade before this fiasco even came to light. It's also not fair to the people, such as myself, that bought two platform types because they had people they knew couldn't afford to upgrade either.

Don't do the "Its not fair but its what's right" angle in this case either, because the right answer would have been to cut the old gen out before this could have even been an issue. As sad and petty as that sounds, its true; the only reasons they even did the PS3/360 versions A.) They wanted people to be able to have their DA:I and complete the defunct trilogy on the old systems and B.) It meant more cash flow in E.A.'s pocket.

Its a darned if you do and darned if you don't scenario for Bioware because they either A.) Cut off old gen from the game in the first place and have an outcry of "You ruined DA by cutting off half the audience because we can't play it now" or B.) They support the old gen as long as they can and then people that are still playing on the old gen have an out pouring of hatred when Bioware figures out that there are some things that just wont work within the confines of the old gen hardware and have to cut off the old gen from part of the content.

I'm not blaming Bioware because the vast majority of the problems with Bioware aren't its fault, they have to abide by whatever the purse strings tell them to do. (ME3's ending is the only point where I'd say its still BW's fault.)


They should have not even released the game on the old gen. Don't demand that I not get upset about getting screwed over. They have my money. They will NOT get any more. That's my option as a consumer. They wanted to profit as much as possible--thats why they released it on old gen. They knew exactly what they were doing. They didn't even have the ovaries to tell us they were sorry to drop support, thank you for being loyal fans, blah blah blah. Their customer service sucks. I don't reward that by throwing more money at a product I already paid for. They made a business decision. And so have I.
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