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[Qun00]

There are some specific issues about the two that have me in doubt.

For my canon storyline, Hawke will be a female mage and in a straight romance.

Look at the cards we're dealt: From what I've heard, Fenris doesn't cease to hate mages in the end of the story. Perhaps I could live with that, if his views changed to some extent like "I've realized that not ALL of them are bad".

But apparently, his stance remains exactly the same. And no, making Hawke the only exception in the world isn't enough for me.

And then we have Anders. The morality aspect is a whole problem in its own, as it isn't easy to determine whether you can call what he did a necessary evil. And just like Fenris, that is a negative mindset he never does regret. Not even partially.

Beyond that, you know what else I find unsettling? His romance arc basically boils down to him choosing between Justice and Hawke, and in the end he chose the former.

Just how much is Hawke worth to Anders if being Justice's puppet is more important to him? Heck, he even says he never told you about his plans because you might get in the way.

I'm open to different views, but right now it seems I will either have my female Hawke stay single or play male Hawke.

[caradoc2000]

She could always utilize Jethann for physical needs.

[Qun00]

And he does so under a reasonable price.

[Ninna]

Friendship Anders accepts Justice as a part of himself and since their thoughts are more connected and Justice does not see you as a rival, Anders believes what Justice believes.

 

But Rivalry Romance Anders does regret his actions. In that path you see a clear difference between Justice and Anders. It's not that he chooses Justice over Hawke, it's that Justice takes over him to make him blow up the Chantry. He didn't have a choice because when he tried to make the choice, Justice didn't let him. Hawke does convince him not to do it, then Justice makes him do it anyway.

 

Some people dislike this, but I think it's interesting. It makes for some of the most intense scenes, very heartwrenching.

[Qun00]

That's odd. The video I saw had Anders saying he wasn't forced to do anything. That it was his choice and the right thing. Maybe he only thinks that way in another path.

Also, how do things turn out if you agree with his rebellious views through most of it but openly oppose his goals when things start going too far?

Is it still considered friend romance or does it change to rival romance?

EDIT:

Okay, just saw this other video here and it seems more complete.



Apparently, he only understands the problem with his methods if you sided with the templars, which I'm not going to do.

[Ninna]

I could never side with Templars either... it was hard enough to say the things you have to say to become Anders' rival.

You don't need to side with Templars for him to regret what he did. He regrets it when siding with mages too, in the rivalry path. 


 

That's odd. The video I saw had Anders saying he wasn't forced to do anything. That it was his choice and the right thing. Maybe he only thinks that way in another path.

Also, how do things turn out if you agree with his rebellious views through most of it but openly oppose his goals when things start going too far?

Is it still considered friend romance ir does it change to rival romance?

 

If you become his rival, and then romance him, you'll get Rival Anders. He still believes in mage freedom and you can agree with him (I did, and helped him a lot after reaching 100% rivalry) but you can also call him out when he's about to plant the bomb. That's when Justice gets angry at Hawke and comes out:


 

As for changing from friendship to rivalry... I tried it once and it was messy, I did not make it in time, it was too late. But I was not in a romance. Maybe someone else can tell you if it's possible. I'm not sure which options will come out only if you're at 100%.

 

It's better to keep in mind what you want from the beginning. I got to 100% rivalry with Anders, and then I was free to help as many mages as I wanted without losing the rivalry setting. I guess my Hawke warmed up to Anders XD

[Aren]

Fenris,for one reason only,at least when you make love with him you're not in a threesome with a watcher

too awkward for my tastes,i still remember my female Hawke who said something like that to Anders.

[DebatableBubble]

If you're not looking to get laid then there's always Sebby. 

[renfrees]

I'd say Fenris, simply because he doesn't manipulate Hawke into helping him. The whole relationship with Anders, regardless of romance, is based on manipulation and emotional blackmail, unless you agree with him on everything. That's what averted me personally from his romance, not his act of terrorism. It's not a good feeling, to be used.

[Qun00]

If you're not looking to get laid then there's always Sebby.

Nah, he is male Meredith.

[Lazarillo]

And then we have Anders. The morality aspect is a whole problem in its own, as it isn't easy to determine whether you can call what he did a necessary evil. And just like Fenris, that is a negative mindset he never does regret. Not even partially.

Beyond that, you know what else I find unsettling? His romance arc basically boils down to him choosing between Justice and Hawke, and in the end he chose the former.

Just how much is Hawke worth to Anders if being Justice's puppet is more important to him? Heck, he even says he never told you about his plans because you might get in the way.

I'm open to different views, but right now it seems I will either have my female Hawke stay single or play male Hawke.

 

I had my Hawke romance Anders, and then break it off with him when he admitted to lying about what his reagents were for.  I think that's kind of the "nice" thing about the Anders romance: you can end up dumping him as part of the story (whether during his final personal quest, or just by executing him in the endgame), thus letting you experience the romance arc without, ultimately, having to approve of his actions.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There are some specific issues about the two that have me in doubt.

For my canon storyline, Hawke will be a female mage and in a straight romance.

Look at the cards we're dealt: From what I've heard, Fenris doesn't cease to hate mages in the end of the story. Perhaps I could live with that, if his views changed to some extent like "I've realized that not ALL of them are bad".

But apparently, his stance remains exactly the same. And no, making Hawke the only exception in the world isn't enough for me.

And then we have Anders. The morality aspect is a whole problem in its own, as it isn't easy to determine whether you can call what he did a necessary evil. And just like Fenris, that is a negative mindset he never does regret. Not even partially.

Beyond that, you know what else I find unsettling? His romance arc basically boils down to him choosing between Justice and Hawke, and in the end he chose the former.

Just how much is Hawke worth to Anders if being Justice's puppet is more important to him? Heck, he even says he never told you about his plans because you might get in the way.

I'm open to different views, but right now it seems I will either have my female Hawke stay single or play male Hawke.

 

Fenris already realizes that not all mages are bad. But as he tells Anders, his perspective is that "It doesn't take all mages to cause this. Just the weak ones."

[Qun00]

When does he say that?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

When does he say that?

 

It's one of his banters with Anders in Act 2 or 3. He later goes on the mention either Bethany or Mage Hawke as an example of a mage who isn't weak in that conversation. In fact I think if Hawke isn't mage, Bethany is someone he genuinely grows to like, eventually.

 

He also says something similar when you first meet him too. Something along the lines of "I'm well aware not every mage gives into temptation, and there are undoubtedly mages with good intentions."

[DebatableBubble]

Nah, he is male Meredith.

 

He's really not. 

[Sah291]

It always seemed to me like Anders was the character that changes the most depending on rivalry/friendship. His whole relationship with Justice changes. On friendship he begins to see himself as one being, and he turns out more morally grey in the end as a result, but he's more in control of his own actions. I don't think he was choosing between Hawke and Justice, so much as he didn't trust Hawke, and wanted to force Hawke to choose. On rivalry he's much more chaotic, but he retains more of who he was before the merging. I guess it does come off like he is choosing between Hawke and Justice/Vengeance there, but he does choose Hawke in the end...maybe too late.

[Cz-99]

The only good Fenris is a dead Fenris.

[Jester]

They are both just terrible.

Anders is batshit crazy and doesn't care about anything other than his stupid agenda.

Fenris will have sex with you, and then will dump you for 3 years and won't speak to you, because bad feelings + he thinks all mages would murder innocent people given the chance. 

[andy6915]

They are both just terrible.

Anders is batshit crazy and doesn't care about anything other than his stupid agenda.

Fenris will have sex with you, and then will dump you for 3 years and won't speak to you, because bad feelings + he thinks all mages would murder innocent people given the chance. 

 

Bad feelings? He was used as a sex slave, raped all the time by his master. And then he has flashbacks to both that and of memories from before he got the markings during the first sexual encounter he's had in years. HOW DARE HE?!

 

[Qun00]

I cou
It's better to keep in mind what you want from the beginning. I got to 100% rivalry with Anders, and then I was free to help as many mages as I wanted without losing the rivalry setting. I guess my Hawke warmed up to Anders XD

You do have to be pro Circle, though...

[Ninna]

You do have to be pro Circle, though...

Not really, my aggressive Hawke was pro Circle only in Act 1, and when I wanted to help mages I just didn't take Anders with me. I got to full rivalry with Anders before the Deep Roads. 

It was hard to be mean to Anders during Act 1, but I needed to try the rivalry and I think it was worth it. The progression from pro-Circle to pro-freedom felt like my Hawke changed his mind after understanding the abuses mages were suffering. Since you have the rivalry setting, you can still get interesting dialogues where Anders tells you he thinks he went too far, but at the end you can still choose to stay together with him, be pro-mage freedom and they become fugitives together if you want to. 

[Qun00]

That story may work for a warrior or rogue, but there is no way mage Hawke wouldn't already know what other mages often go through.

Not to mention that Malcolm was an apostate.

[Abelas Forever!]

When romancing Fenris with a mage Hawke and I'm talking about friendship romance, I think there is extra tension between them because Hawke is a mage and I like it. I like it that they end up being together even though it seems impossible because they are so different but it also makes it so lovely

[Aren]

Fenris because..

 

[TheOgre]

Bad feelings? He was used as a sex slave, raped all the time by his master. And then he has flashbacks to both that and of memories from before he got the markings during the first sexual encounter he's had in years. HOW DARE HE?!

 

I can understand that.. Only real thing I dislike about the fellow is he screams edge with every breath he takes.

 

But there's reason behind it.