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Just filter people with ill gained promotions out of the leaderboard... I mean super ill gained... Not people who are unaware they entered a double xp lobby.

[Saigeo]

Yallegro,

The reasons for being on the leaderboard aren't really the subject here, though I agree that they reflect nothing more than time spent. X forfeited his vacation over July 4th week to get 50 points is a bit silly. But, it is what it is and so why corrupt it?

Removing ExP is an alternative, though I know of several high placed lobbies (this was early on, when the glitch was still considered random) that were actively sought and then stayed in for 4 - 12 hours. There was intent that a slap on the wrist won't remedy, and these were competitive lobbies that went outside the realm of fair play.

As for lobbies that work for promotions then that becomes strategy. If Bioware feels the point of the game is opening doors, for example, then they should state that it is cheating not to do so. However since it is elective for game completion, I would say it is a mechanism to get more loot for those who don't have everything. Personally if I see any more useless loot in my inventory I'm going to jump off a bridge (hypothetically). There is the more obvious choice one has with dragons, vrs. boss. If you're running for completions you'll pick the dragon, and if you're running for ExP you'll take the boss. These options are embedded into gameplay.

As for liking Denrok's post. We play together and I support his continued efforts at trying to change the current situation. We may not see eye to eye on nuance, and I don't always support the things he says, but I did enjoy his bluntness, and knowing him it made me smile.

[SpaceV3gan]

The most community-friendly solution that I can think of is to award Negative XP/Gold after the glitch gets fixed. Everyone who has played in glitched lobbies will repay according to how much they have benefited from the glitch - those who ended up playing in glitched lobbies by accident will repay less, those who have been abusing the glitch for weeks will need to play for a long period of time with no reward to compensate for their exploitation, but at the end, it will be an equally fair solution to everyone.

I am not entirely convinced whether people should get banned or not (at least at this point) since it is not a hack per se but rather the action of taking advantage from a bug; however, some sort of decisive solution ought to happen.

Also, as I have mentioned before here on the forums, Double XP is an understatement. The actual XP awarded is quadruplicated; Gold and Challenge Completions are doubled.

[Medallian]

Thank you for admitting you are cheating. Most people are flat out denying it. I do however still advocate your ban.

ROFL..... to funny

[Medallian]

this is so funny because not one dev has called it a cheat.... all they said is they frown on the exploitation of the bug... or rather they do not condone it.

 

if the government said they dont condone liquor does not mean that liquor is illegal....

 

it is the same people in the community calling it a cheat, nothing has to be entered there is no manipulation of code.. it is an inherent bug.... and bioware CONDONES the exploitation of this bug.... and its been stated that no actions will be taken at this time...... and its like you all are promoting them to take action for a bug... that is there fault.... a BUG that happens randomly.. a BUG that most new players in the community are using..... sadly a gaming community does not consist of you 10 or so people who keep gripping over this bug, the bug will be fixed, an those ho don't belong at there rank will lose it if you keep playing.... it may take months for things to normalize but they will , so keep playing if they dont deserve there rank then when every thing is fixed you should be able to over take them....

 

I dont see how it would be right for bioware to ban or punish people for something they caused... even if they did say they condone it, how many players read these forums...? I am going to guess only a fraction ... of the player base.... further more the only ones complaining are those on the leader board , and its only a fraction of the board at that, so do you think bioware is going to band hundreds maybe thousands of players because a couple dozen people are butt hurt... I mean really lets be intelligent here...... think about it... do you really hear any of your suggestions happening.......  and if the answer is no... then stop posting because all your doing is spamming a dead topic.... and trying to stir up controversy to try and push an out come that favorable to you.

 

so please....take a lesson from frozen....and Let it goooo...let it gooooo

[Spin-Orbit]

this is so funny because not one dev has called it a cheat.... all they said is they frown on the exploitation of the bug... or rather they do not condone it.
 
if the government said they dont condone liquor does not mean that liquor is illegal....
 
it is the same people in the community calling it a cheat, nothing has to be entered there is no manipulation of code.. it is an inherent bug.... and bioware CONDONES the exploitation of this bug.... and its been stated that no actions will be taken at this time...... and its like you all are promoting them to take action for a bug... that is there fault.... a BUG that happens randomly.. a BUG that most new players in the community are using..... sadly a gaming community does not consist of you 10 or so people who keep gripping over this bug, the bug will be fixed, an those ho don't belong at there rank will lose it if you keep playing.... it may take months for things to normalize but they will , so keep playing if they dont deserve there rank then when every thing is fixed you should be able to over take them....
 
I dont see how it would be right for bioware to ban or punish people for something they caused... even if they did say they condone it, how many players read these forums...? I am going to guess only a fraction ... of the player base.... further more the only ones complaining are those on the leader board , and its only a fraction of the board at that, so do you think bioware is going to band hundreds maybe thousands of players because a couple dozen people are butt hurt... I mean really lets be intelligent here...... think about it... do you really hear any of your suggestions happening.......  and if the answer is no... then stop posting because all your doing is spamming a dead topic.... and trying to stir up controversy to try and push an out come that favorable to you.
 
so please....take a lesson from frozen....and Let it goooo...let it gooooo

This is what FIDZZ said, read what he said on items 1 and 3 and compare it to what you just said. After that read what I italicized on Fidzz's last line

Holy.. way to blow what I said completely out of context, I guess it's my fault for trying to be lighthearted.



Ok, i'll break it down so there is no misunderstanding.



1. There is a bug, if you enter upon a game where it happens, don't feel like you've broken some kind of rule playing there. But it's probably advisable to leave the lobby if the people playing there are purposefully doing an exploit.



2. We're investigating the bug, and yes some people can reproduce it. Reproducing =/= the solution is easy.



3. EXPLOITING a known bug for gain is against the TOS, and we are in no way condoning it, and could lead to you getting banned, which would suck.



Finally, stop taking what we say out of context in order to perpetuate an argument or point of view to suit your own goals or troll the forums.



/lock

[Medallian]

This is what FIDZZ said, read what he said on items 1 and 3 and compare it to what you just said. After that read what I italicized on Fidzz's last line

Holy.. way to blow what I said completely out of context, I guess it's my fault for trying to be lighthearted.



Ok, i'll break it down so there is no misunderstanding.



1. There is a bug, if you enter upon a game where it happens, don't feel like you've broken some kind of rule playing there. But it's probably advisable to leave the lobby if the people playing there are purposefully doing an exploit.



2. We're investigating the bug, and yes some people can reproduce it. Reproducing =/= the solution is easy.



3. EXPLOITING a known bug for gain is against the TOS, and we are in no way condoning it, and could lead to you getting banned, which would suck.



Finally, stop taking what we say out of context in order to perpetuate an argument or point of view to suit your own goals or troll the forums.



/lock

ok exploring a bug means excessive gain. if some one is promoting like 20 lvls in 4 hours thatts exsesive and thus I agree with your stance on things.. but if it is not exsessive then I dont care most people doing this are not even on the leader board and probabloy wont be even after they fix this, its a mute point by now, I am  almost positive that if some one grinded a rediculous amount of runs using the explote bioware would step in,.... and what if the people did not make the lobby is it ok to play it if it just randomly  happened

[Spin-Orbit]

Finally, stop taking what we say out of context in order to perpetuate an argument or point of view to suit your own goals or troll the forums.



/lock

[Medallian]

 

Finally, stop taking what we say out of context in order to perpetuate an argument or point of view to suit your own goals or troll the forums.



/lock

 

doesn't that go for you as well.....?!?!?!? regardless if your on the left side of the argument or the right.... I myself am neutral but thats a very valid point we should all just stop

[Spin-Orbit]

doesn't that go for you as well.....?!?!?!? regardless if your on the left side of the argument or the right.... I myself am neutral but thats a very valid point we should all just stop

show a place where my post made conclusions on the left or right side. You haven't been neutral at all, what they said and what you wrote are very different

it is an inherent bug.... and bioware CONDONES the exploitation of this bug.... and its been stated that no actions will be taken at this time...... and its like you all are promoting them to take action for a bug... that is there fault....

[Medallian]

show a place where my post made conclusions on the left or right side. You haven't been neutral at all, what they said and what you wrote are very different

 

didnt you just say

 

Spin-Orbit, on 26 Jul 2015 - 7:12 PM, said:

Finally, stop taking what we say out of context in order to perpetuate an argument or point of view to suit your own goals or troll the forums.



/lock

[Yallegro]

 

2. We're investigating the bug, and yes some people can reproduce it. Reproducing =/= the solution is easy.





/lock

 

I blindly assumed that if you spent less than an hour creating lobbies you'd find the glitch, you could then park yourself there for the rest of the day

 

I have not tested this

[Cirvante]

The most community-friendly solution that I can think of is to award Negative XP/Gold after the glitch gets fixed.

 

Yes, because the majority of the community is simply outraged about this bug and the way it affects the leaderboards. We'd be so happy to not get any exp/gold for our games, so people like you can feel better about themselves. I'm also sure that Bioware would gladly put all their ressources for the next few months into micro-managing exp/gold-gains for every single player who ran into this bug. Never mind working on new patches, the integrity of the leaderboards is clearly more important.

 

[Spin-Orbit]

didnt you just say
 
Spin-Orbit, on 26 Jul 2015 - 7:12 PM, said:

That is what Fidzz said not me

[Spin-Orbit]

I blindly assumed that if you spent less than an hour creating lobbies you'd find the glitch, you could then park yourself there for the rest of the day
 
I have not tested this

glitch can be created in a instant. people park there, rate of promotion will show what is normal and what is abnormal rate simple enough.

[Felis Menari]

Yes, because the majority of the community is simply outraged about this bug and the way it affects the leaderboards. We'd be so happy to not get any exp/gold for our games, so people like you can feel better about themselves. I'm also sure that Bioware would gladly put all their ressources for the next few months into micro-managing exp/gold-gains for every single player who ran into this bug. Never mind working on new patches, the integrity of the leaderboards is clearly more important.

 

There would have to be heavy micromanaging indeed, to figure out who did what, and if certain actions warrant punishment. And even if the MP team could figure it all out without any errors in judgement, what would be left of the community after SpaceV3gan's proposed punishment? If the negative gold/xp bubble was big enough, I imagine the players affected by it would simply stop playing DAMP altogether. It might make some people happy, but I do not think it would be for the better. With how prevalent the XP exploit seems to be at this point, it could very well be like nuking DAMP from orbit.

[SpaceV3gan]

Yes, because the majority of the community is simply outraged about this bug and the way it affects the leaderboards. We'd be so happy to not get any exp/gold for our games, so people like you can feel better about themselves. I'm also sure that Bioware would gladly put all their ressources for the next few months into micro-managing exp/gold-gains for every single player who ran into this bug. Never mind working on new patches, the integrity of the leaderboards is clearly more important.

Obviously you and everyone else would keep on getting the reward for the games you play. It is just a way to compensate for the glitch exploit, whether it is done on purpose or not, without having to ban or point fingers on those who have intentionally exploited it. People who have unintentionally played in glitch lobbies, including myself, would be affected as well.

It is a solution which I believe to be better than what the OP suggested and also better than ban waves, at least at this point. How Bioware would do it and if they would do it at all are matters beyond me and beyond this thread. I am merely presenting ideas.

I am not entirely sure what is the deal with "so people like you can feel better about themselves", but thanks for taking to reply my post anyway.

[Spin-Orbit]

There would have to be heavy micromanaging indeed, to figure out who did what, and if certain actions warrant punishment. And even if the MP team could figure it all out without any errors in judgement, what would be left of the community after SpaceV3gan's proposed punishment? If the negative gold/xp bubble was big enough, I imagine the players affected by it would simply stop playing DAMP altogether. It might make some people happy, but I do not think it would be for the better. With how prevalent the XP exploit seems to be at this point, it could very well be like nuking DAMP from orbit.

I do not care at this point if or not any repercussions are in order, rather BW stop the bleeding first and let's stabilize first by patching the glitch

[Saigeo]

SpaceV3gan,

Yours is the best suggestion I have heard so far though I don't know how easy that would be to implement. It might just be easier said to reset everybody's scorecard to before the glitch. I could live with that, but I think it would make many upset for time spent since, as they should be. The out and out ban at ME3 made the non glitching community quite happy.

[SpaceV3gan]

And even if the MP team could figure it all out without any errors in judgement, what would be left of the community after SpaceV3gan's proposed punishment? If the negative gold/xp bubble was big enough, I imagine the players affected by it would simply stop playing DAMP altogether. It might make some people happy, but I do not think it would be for the better. With how prevalent the XP exploit seems to be at this point, it could very well be like nuking DAMP from orbit.

How bad would it be if people who have abused the glitch heavily decided to quit the game simply because they would have to compensate for excesses of experience points previously earned illegitimately (and usually for a matter of Leaderboards climbing)?

If anything, it is probably better than being banned or to be publicly labelled as a cheater

[Denrok1]

SpaceV3gan,
Yours is the best suggestion I have heard so far though I don't know how easy that would be to implement. It might just be easier said to reset everybody's scorecard to before the glitch. I could live with that, but I think it would make many upset for time spent since, as they should be. The out and out ban at ME3 made the non glitching community quite happy.

I would be satisfied with resetting everybody's scorecard who has gained at least 25 promotions through the bugged lobbies to the day before the glitch occurred. Alternatively, bioware could reset the top 75 percent offenders or so. Just a suggestion.

[Medallian]

The most community-friendly solution that I can think of is to award Negative XP/Gold after the glitch gets fixed. Everyone who has played in glitched lobbies will repay according to how much they have benefited from the glitch - those who ended up playing in glitched lobbies by accident will repay less, those who have been abusing the glitch for weeks will need to play for a long period of time with no reward to compensate for their exploitation, but at the end, it will be an equally fair solution to everyone.

I am not entirely convinced whether people should get banned or not (at least at this point) since it is not a hack per se but rather the action of taking advantage from a bug; however, some sort of decisive solution ought to happen.

Also, as I have mentioned before here on the forums, Double XP is an understatement. The actual XP awarded is quadruplicated; Gold and Challenge Completions are doubled.

ok programming is all about logic.... please due tell how you would put this in a logical statement as in if (X) = y then do this...... ecause this sounds like alot of work to implement if it can be implemented at all.

 

 

I would do this as a quick patch to the EXP bug:

 

If LOBBY exp is < Average XP gain then  divide lobby exp/gold by 2 from that point on... so that means you can only play in one  bugged lobby accident or not, and its an easy statement to inject I would think into the code... so there's my suedo code contribution 

[Felis Menari]

How bad would it be if people who have abused the glitch heavily decided to quit the game simply because they would have to compensate for excesses of experience points previously earned illegitimately (and usually for a matter of Leaderboards climbing)?

If anything, it is probably better than being banned or to be publicly labelled as a cheater

Better than a ban, yes. But such a punishment could result in the affected players bailing on the DAMP, potentially having the same effect as a ban. And players affected by this most certainly would not spend any money on the game, at least not until the bubble has been killed off. So that would definitely cut off potential revenue for Bioware. I don't see that as a good solution. I don't know if there is a good one to be had. Either way, part of the DAMP community is going to be disappointed with the outcome, whatever it may be.

[Medallian]

I would be satisfied with resetting everybody's scorecard who has gained at least 25 promotions through the bugged lobbies to the day before the glitch occurred. Alternatively, bioware could reset the top 75 percent offenders or so. Just a suggestion.

 yeah or maybe half there exp so your only taking out the bugged EXP... but doing all seems harsh.. secondly how would you identify the cheaters... on a massive scale... or would you rely on the snitch method ?.

[Thadrial]

The most community-friendly solution that I can think of is to award Negative XP/Gold after the glitch gets fixed. Everyone who has played in glitched lobbies will repay according to how much they have benefited from the glitch - those who ended up playing in glitched lobbies by accident will repay less, those who have been abusing the glitch for weeks will need to play for a long period of time with no reward to compensate for their exploitation, but at the end, it will be an equally fair solution to everyone.

I am not entirely convinced whether people should get banned or not (at least at this point) since it is not a hack per se but rather the action of taking advantage from a bug; however, some sort of decisive solution ought to happen.

Also, as I have mentioned before here on the forums, Double XP is an understatement. The actual XP awarded is quadruplicated; Gold and Challenge Completions are doubled.

None of that is true. The lobby is doubled but gold and challenges reset after the match completes even if you are tracking it. I'm going to need some numbers or proof of this because it doesn't work like that on xbox 360.