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[Qun00]

Because everyone else probably wouldn't care about this.

But more to the point, do you think there is reason to worry about Morrigan in the scenario where she drinks from the Well?

Getting leashed to Flemeth for the rest of your life is a pretty shitty fate. She says "You were never in danger from me", but what was found in the real grimoire wasn't exactly a lie.

Then one might think " maybe I could have the Inquisitor drink from the Well and thus protect Morrigan", but that seems unwise. As Morrigan puts it, this is like putting the entire Inquisition at Flemeth's disposal.

Then again, the torch is passed to Solas who is a very well intentioned guy. Still a questionable decision, though.

[Sunnie]

She's not leashed to Flemeth...

Spoiler

she is bound to the "will of Mythal".

Flemeth, Solas, who ever takes her from him? Who can say.

[Qun00]

Isn't it all the same? Flemeth still can use that connection for any purpose she sees fit.

And Morrigan can no longer hide from her.

[SgtSteel91]

It seems kind of poetic. The both of them are leashed in one way or another, the Warden to the Taint, Morrigan to Mythral, and Kieran perviously holding the Old God Soul. It could be that Morrigan would try to find a way to be free of Mythral just as the Warden is trying to find a way to prevent the Calling. Try to free themselves from that shackles of fate or something like that.

[Andromelek]

Flemeth is not the original Mythal, she was the woman of the stories but she got what was left of the goddess instead of the demon that the stories said, and no, Flemeth wasn't trying to possess her, just to pass to Morrigan her godhood, as Yavana, Kieran and Flemeth stated, so rather than be in danger, Morrigan will earn a lot of power and knowledge.

[Master Warder Z_]

*snorts*

Your right: I don't care about this but its irrelevant to Morrigan, I've had PC's that did romance her but I have no real affection for the character.

So ultimately her being bound to one abomination or another is a matter I take little interest in.

That said the easiest way to shatter such constraints if people felt that strongly about it are merely to kill the controllers.

It's hard to direct someone's will and life when your ash in the void.

[Sunnie]

Isn't it all the same? Flemeth still can use that connection for any purpose she sees fit.

And Morrigan can no longer hide from her.

Morrigan was never in any danger from her mother.

 

I think theres been a bit of a misinterpretation on the part of players. So no, it isn't all the same, she will be bound to Mythal's will, not the person carrying her, unless Mythal is finally destroyed or consumed.

[Master Warder Z_]

Morrigan was never in any danger from her mother.

That's certainly a intreptation.

[Sunnie]

That's certainly a intreptation.

What's to interpret? Flemeth says exactly that, leaves little room for interpretation.

[Master Warder Z_]

What's to interpret? Flemeth says exactly that, leaves little room for interpretation.

The beast is hardly trust worthy; its famous for lying and riddles.

So what's to interpret? A great deal.

[Andromelek]

The beast is hardly trust worthy; its famous for lying and riddles.
So what's to interpret? A great deal.

Developers and voice actors said the same, Morrigan it's safe, and they are not liars who use riddles, so, I think that the Witches of the Wilds are not so bad after all.

[katerinafm]

It probably won't matter much since the inquisitor can drink from the well as well. That makes me think that, just like the OGB, ends up not making such a huge difference.

[Qun00]

It probably won't matter much since the inquisitor can drink from the well as well. That makes me think that, just like the OGB, ends up not making such a huge difference.

Uhh... Kieran did appear in this game, which clearly is a follow up to the events of DAO.

Flemeth even comes after the boy.

If it didn't matter, the whole thing would never be addressed.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think that the Witches of the Wilds are not so bad after all.

Again that's one intreptation.

[riverbanks]

Morrigan was never in any danger from her mother.

 

I think theres been a bit of a misinterpretation on the part of players. So no, it isn't all the same, she will be bound to Mythal's will, not the person carrying her, unless Mythal is finally destroyed or consumed.

 

Mostly because there was a lot of misinterpretation from Morrigan's part, and players will eat up anything she says. But it was Morrigan who took a bunch of loosely related myths and stories about Flemeth, conflated them with memories of her own childhood, got hold of a grimoire she couldn't entirely comprehend, only read odd parts here and there from, and cooked up this whole theory that Flemeth was grooming her to take over her body. We haven't seen Flemeth "hunting" her down at all in canon, though - on the contrary, she's content to shrug Morrigan off in Inquisition. If there was ever an opportunity to "catch" Morrigan it would have been there, but she just shrugs her off and says, You were never in any danger from me.

 

Yavanna already pointed out a while ago that Morrigan was wrong, that she doesn't actually know or understand Flemeth at all. That's what Flemeth is saying in DAI - whatever conspiracy theories Morrigan got into her own head about Flemeth hunting her down to do evil bad things to her, she was never actually in danger. Flemeth's game is much bigger than Morrigan's paranoia.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yavanna thankfully did the world a favor in that she ate a yard of steel crawled into a bush and died.

Alistair doing the competent thing actually surprised me.

[Qun00]

Mostly because there was a lot of misinterpretation from Morrigan's part, and players will eat up anything she says. But it was Morrigan who took a bunch of loosely related myths and stories about Flemeth, conflated them with memories of her own childhood, got hold of a grimoire she couldn't entirely comprehend, only read odd parts here and there from, and cooked up this whole theory that Flemeth was grooming her to take over her body. We haven't seen Flemeth "hunting" her down at all in canon, though - on the contrary, she's content to shrug Morrigan off in Inquisition. If there was ever an opportunity to "catch" Morrigan it would have been there, but she just shrugs her off and says, You were never in any danger from me.

Yavanna already pointed out a while ago that Morrigan was wrong, that she doesn't actually know or understand Flemeth at all. That's what Flemeth is saying in DAI - whatever conspiracy theories Morrigan got into her own head about Flemeth hunting her down to do evil bad things to her, she was never actually in danger. Flemeth's game is much bigger than Morrigan's paranoia.

That's possible.

So would you say that Flemeth's line at 8:02 wasn't a threat?

https://youtu.be/O9EBcOUhgbA

[Andromelek]

Yavanna thankfully did the world a favor in that she ate a yard of steel crawled into a bush and died.
Alistair doing the competent thing actually surprised me.

Meh, too bad that the Dragon didn't smashed him after that, that's why I prefer kill him in Origins. I prefer let Yavana live and broke the key to awaken the Dragons

[Master Warder Z_]

Meh, too bad that the Dragon didn't smashed him after that

It was a skeleton

[Sunnie]

That's possible.

So would you say that Flemeth's line at 8:02 wasn't a threat?

It was a test, she wanted to know if Morrigan truly cared for her son. at 9:10 you will see the result of that.

 

Edit: And at 14:45 Morrigan realizes and admits that it was a test.

[Andromelek]

It was a skeleton

Who?

[Master Warder Z_]

Who?

The Dragon hence why it did nothing.

It continued towards fossilization

[Andromelek]

The Dragon hence why it did nothing.
It continued towards fossilization

They weren't bones, they were sealed on a strange crystals that looked like eggs, and that Dragon would be alive and awake no matter what, because Maric awoke her.

[Master Warder Z_]

They weren't bones, they were sealed on a strange crystals that looked like eggs, and that Dragon would be alive and awake no matter what, because Maric awoke her.

*snorts*

Those "eggs" or stasis chambers or whatever are inert without therin blood. Hence my quip about them rotting there for a few dozen more ages if not forever.

That's the whole point; and that dragon being awakened doesn't necessarily change much.

As for why? You should know.

It's his blood.

[MadMadCarl]

Warder hates virtually every mage to be mentioned in this forums, and seemingly Flemeth and related over all, I don't know why you guys still answer him when begins to speak crap about them...