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#26
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It was a test, she wanted to know if Morrigan truly cared for her son. at 9:10 you will see the result of that.

 

Edit: And at 14:45 Morrigan realizes and admits that it was a test.

 

Exactly. It was a bluff to make Morrigan show her hand (that is, if she cares more about saving herself than protecting the kid), and it got Flemeth exactly the answer she wanted to hear.


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Uhh... Kieran did appear in this game, which clearly is a follow up to the events of DAO.

Flemeth even comes after the boy.

If it didn't matter, the whole thing would never be addressed.

 

Yeah but the result is the same. Kieran is never in danger, the old god soul always ends up with flemeth and then Solas. That's what I meant. So the inquisitor or Morrigan drinking from the well probably won't really affect the result much. It could actually be that the 'will of mythal' won't even be addressed in the future, since the main point of the well was for the inquisitor to get a dragon (or morrigan to turn into a dragon) so they can defeat Corypheus.



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Yeah but the result is the same. Kieran is never in danger, the old god soul always ends up with flemeth and then Solas. That's what I meant. So the inquisitor or Morrigan drinking from the well probably won't really affect the result much. It could actually be that the 'will of mythal' won't even be addressed in the future, since the main point of the well was for the inquisitor to get a dragon (or morrigan to turn into a dragon) so they can defeat Corypheus.


Plus, didn't she freed the one who drank from the well when they met her?

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Plus, didn't she freed the one who drank from the well when they met her?

wut?



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wut?


When my Inquisitor drank from the well and Flemeth used him to stop Morrigan, soon after that she does something and the Inquisitor moves again, I don't remember if the voices are heard after that, but I think they weren't hear anymore.

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If the Inq drinks from the well, the Inq is also "forever" bound to the will of Mythal, Flemeth does not release the Inq from that.



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Yeah but the result is the same. Kieran is never in danger, the old god soul always ends up with flemeth and then Solas. That's what I meant. So the inquisitor or Morrigan drinking from the well probably won't really affect the result much. It could actually be that the 'will of mythal' won't even be addressed in the future, since the main point of the well was for the inquisitor to get a dragon (or morrigan to turn into a dragon) so they can defeat Corypheus.


We can hardly complain about a choice that was never presented.

If we were supposed to decide the fate of the Old God soul and the outcome remained unchanged, I'd agree with you.

The player's role was only ever meant to decide whether Kieran would have the OGS or not, and that much has been given development.

Personally, I can't wait to see what Solas does with that power.

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Personally, I can't wait to see what Solas does with that power.


Die via bifurcation hopefully.

Or maybe grow hair.

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 Reason to worry? Pfft, of course. She would appear to be under the control of SolASS, who is crazy and prone to Epic Fails.

 

 

That said, I doubt this will come to head in a sequel or anything.



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Yes, there is a reason to worry in a case where anyone drinks from the Well.

 

As for Morrigan specifically, I guess it depends on your Hero and what he might do (assuming BioWare allows for a variety of options).

 

For example, my bloodmage Hero would simply bind her to him with blood magic. And if that doesn't work? Kill her. I imagine he'll be none too happy with her for losing Urthemiel's soul to Flemeth anyway.



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Also, this has to be posted.

 

What makes people think Solas is in control of the old god soul, Flemeth, Mythal, or anything other than his own power?

 

All he does is show up, glow his spirit out of his body, and cause Flemeth to fall over and release blue light into the eluvian.

 

That's it. Nothing suggests he stole her powers, or that he will somehow be able to influence the one who is bound.



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Reason to worry? Pfft, of course. She would appear to be under the control of SolASS, who is crazy and prone to Epic Fails.


That said, I doubt this will come to head in a sequel or anything.


Like having an Old God child didn't come to head in a sequel or anything? The mages rebellion? Alistair's crowning?

Sweet Andraste. I will never understand the level of pleasure some take in complaining.

Die via bifurcation hopefully.
Or maybe grow hair.


Definitely grow hair.

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Solas seems to have absorbed the last of Mythal's power- which is not the same as saying he's merged with her OGS.  If the uncovered dev notes are to be believed (and if there was any point in the "test" Flemeth poses in their Fade encounter) then it seems clear her OGS was intended for Morrigan, and was likely passed to her via eluvian- which we seem to see at the beginning of the scene.  

 
Thus, Morrigan drinking from the well seems to be the best option for all.  It makes her whole, from a certain perspective.  Once she merges with Mythal's OGS (rounding out the maiden/mother/crone triad) she's once again subject to no other will than her own. 


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Also, this has to be posted.
 
What makes people think Solas is in control of the old god soul, Flemeth, Mythal, or anything other than his own power?
 
All he does is show up, glow his spirit out of his body, and cause Flemeth to fall over and release blue light into the eluvian.
 
That's it. Nothing suggests he stole her powers, or that he will somehow be able to influence the one who is bound.


Dev's notes hidden on the ending said something like he's taking her power, but she wants Mythal's godhood be passed to Morrigan in exchange, truth has been said, until the developers or the writers say otherwise, I won't take Solas or Witches of the Wilds as evil beings, Solas is planning to do something, no doubt, but that doesn't mean it's an evil plan.
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Like having an Old God child didn't come to head in a sequel or anything? The mages rebellion? Alistair's crowning?

Sweet Andraste. I will never understand the level of pleasure some take in complaining.

 

What? I am not complaining, just a gut feeling that this decision will not carryover much if at all.



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Solas seems to have absorbed the last of Mythal's power- which is not the same as saying he's merged with her OGS.  If the uncovered dev notes are to be believed (and if there was any point in the "test" Flemeth poses in their Fade encounter) then it seems clear her OGS was intended for Morrigan, and was likely passed to her via eluvian- which we seem to see at the beginning of the scene.  

 
Thus, Morrigan drinking from the well seems to be the best option for all.  It makes her whole, from a certain perspective.  Once she merges with Mythal's OGS (rounding out the maiden/mother/crone triad) she's once again subject to no other will than her own. 

 

 

Unless there is no OGS, in which case Flemeth is seen doing the exact same thing. But I want to go back to Solas. What indication is there that he absorbed her powers. It looks to me like all the blue energy is leaving Flemeth's body and is going into the eluvian.

 

On a side note, I think the OGS was intended for Mythal, honestly. Morrigan was also intended for Mythal, probably. Or Flemeth would have used her and carried Mythal with her. And if OGS had been intended for Morrigan, then why didn't Flemeth just wait and have Morrigan perform the extraction? Or why didn't she teach Morrigan how to do the extraction when she taught her the ritual?

 

Um... no, Mythal has control over Morrigan. I think that was firmly established. Mythal controls Flemeth, and Mythal controls the one who drank.



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Dev's notes hidden on the ending said something like he's taking her power, but she wants Mythal's godhood be passed to Morrigan in exchange, truth has been said, until the developers or the writers say otherwise, I won't take Solas or Witches of the Wilds as evil beings, Solas is planning to do something, no doubt, but that doesn't mean it's an evil plan.

 

Well, like I've posted elsewhere, I don't consider Gaider's word to be anything more than his own opinion, but he posted that the dev notes are just general guidelines for the animators and voice artists. It doesn't necessarily mean that's the official story. Now, yes Gaider's opinion of storyline is nothing but his own opinion, but this is a case of game development and production methods. So in this case I'm inclined to believe that Gaider knows what he's talking about. He wasn't talking about storyline, he was giving insight on how a game's scene is produced, and placing some notes for the animators and voice artists is obviously only there so they can get the scene the way the director wants it. This does not mean that the note is an accurate reflection of the canon story.
 



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Unless there is no OGS, in which case Flemeth is seen doing the exact same thing. But I want to go back to Solas. What indication is there that he absorbed her powers. It looks to me like all the blue energy is leaving Flemeth's body and is going into the eluvian.

 

On a side note, I think the OGS was intended for Mythal, honestly. Morrigan was also intended for Mythal, probably. Or Flemeth would have used her and carried Mythal with her. And if OGS had been intended for Morrigan, then why didn't Flemeth just wait and have Morrigan perform the extraction? Or why didn't she teach Morrigan how to do the extraction when she taught her the ritual?

 

Um... no, Mythal has control over Morrigan. I think that was firmly established. Mythal controls Flemeth, and Mythal controls the one who drank.

 

Uh.... either you're confused or I am, because most of this post is word salad to me.

 

When you say "the OGS was intended for Mythal", you do realize I was talking about Mythal's OGS... right?  That's the one that's hypothetically being passed from Flemeth's body to Morrigan.  Kieran's (Ghilan'nain's, most likely) OGS is a separate matter.  Since BW is under a bit of pressure not to let the story diverge too significantly, it's likely that OGS is currently being stored away in the fade, since that's where it would have ended up anyway if your world state didn't include the Dark Ritual.    

 

And yes, although it's ambiguous whether the last bits of Flemythal's essence are passing into the eluvian or Solas at the end of the scene, it's not ambiguous at all that he seems infused with a new and similiarly-shaded power when he lifts his head from her drained body.

 

In summary:  Mythal's OGS can control whoever drank from the Well.  If Morrigan drank, then when Morrigan's spirit merges with Mythal's (assuming she consents, which seems likely) she'll essentially be holding her own leash, nullifying the effect of any geas.

 

...but things get quite a bit trickier if the Inquisitor drank instead.  



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Uhh... Kieran did appear in this game, which clearly is a follow up to the events of DAO.

Flemeth even comes after the boy.

If it didn't matter, the whole thing would never be addressed.

They addressed it because this plot point needed a resolution. And the way they did this was to make the different paths converge. Thus, in the end that decision is largely irrelevant.

 

it's the same with Morrigan after the end of DAI: if she didn't drink from the well, Flemeth has no hold on her, if she does, then Flemeth chooses not to exert any influence she might have, and anyway, she dies a litte later.

 

Bioware made the different paths converge exactly to remove divergence, so that the setup for the next game becomes simpler. I really hate that because it makes some of my decisions irrelevant in the long run. I understand there is a limit to the amount of ballast from earlier games a new game can afford, and anyway a decision does not derive its meaning - for the one who makes it - from the outcome alone, but a multi-game story with meaningful decisions is damaged if *all* divergence from major decisions is ultimately null and void, and only divergence from minor decisions remains.



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Dev's notes hidden on the ending said something like he's taking her power, but she wants Mythal's godhood be passed to Morrigan in exchange, truth has been said, until the developers or the writers say otherwise, I won't take Solas or Witches of the Wilds as evil beings, Solas is planning to do something, no doubt, but that doesn't mean it's an evil plan.

Is not accurate

 

http://forum.bioware...derstood/page-3

 

 

From Gaider

 

 

That last sentence is a good one to remember, particular when it comes to info gleaned from embedded notes which are a) often legacy, and  B) not part of the actual text (they're written as context for the actors, but not necessarily always true). So they may be true or have been true/partially true at some point...just don't rely on them to be canonical (if you are).