Let me tell you about a game called ME3...Where Straight Females had it far worse than straight-guys do in DAI
Ahem.
Straight female buys ME3, chooses to play the scenario where Kaidan is sacrificed..
ME3: Lawl no options for you..
Not to mention none of male shepards Shepards Li cheat on him...
ME3 screws over straight females and introduces strictly gay (not bisexual) characters as romance options with straight males having the best options and benefits.
DAI screws over straight males and expands on having strictly gay (not bisexual) characters as romances with straight females having the best options and benefits. Also, two romance options were race-gated (don't like it at all, but it could have been worst).
Now that the playing field's relatively even, I suppose that the next dragon age game should feature equal offerings and equal high quality/content of romance arcs for all sexual orientations and races?
Otherwise what's the point if a certain gender/orientation/race is going to get screwed over? Won't that make the romance aspect of the game less fun for said gender/orientation/race?
DAI screws over straight males
But straight male PCs get exactly the same number of options they had in previous Dragon Age games. If you think that being given fewer options than straight female PCs automatically constitutes being screwed over, aren't gay male PCs and lesbians equally screwed over? Not to mention the people who played straight female dwarves or qunari ...
It makes me chuckle that as a bi woman, I had 6 options available to my female character. And yet my favourite romance options in DAI are Cassandra and Dorian. I don't mind that, I really enjoyed those PTs. It just amuses me. 
Now that the playing field's relatively even, I suppose that the next dragon age game should feature equal offerings and equal high quality/content of romance arcs for all sexual orientations and races?
Personally, I'm continuing to hope for the 2/2/2 model for ME:A and DA4. That way everyone has at least two options if they're sticking strictly to their irl preferences, but there's the potential to experience 6 excellent romances.
Perfectly legitimate complaint even if OP got some facts wrong.
I haven't particularly enjoyed any of the romance options in either DA2 and DAI (especially if you're like me and prefer chiefly making straight male characters for the purposes of your creating own Dragon Age universe). Thankfully, there is the option to stay out a romantic relationship altogether, otherwise I'd post a thread complaining myself.
To be honest, as long as I'm not forced to romance any character, Bioware could scrape every straight male romance option in the game. If the lore, gameplay, plot and characters remain as they are, I'm still as big a Dragon Age fan as I was beforehand.
It makes me chuckle that as a bi woman, I had 6 options available to my female character. And yet my favourite romance options in DAI are Cassandra and Dorian. I don't mind that, I really enjoyed those PTs. It just amuses me.
Personally, I'm continuing to hope for the 2/2/2 model for ME:A and DA4. That way everyone has at least two options if they're sticking strictly to their irl preferences, but there's the potential to experience 6 excellent romances.
Yeah. There seems to be the assumption here that people can only role-play their own sex and sexuality. I'm a straight man and my canon Shep is a Liaramancing femshep. My canon inquisitor is likely to be a Seramancing elf, although I'm currently playing as a Qunari who's going to romance Dorian and I'm looking forward to that.
I feel sorry for those who can't step outside their own personal comfort zone as they are missing out, but at least this game does have options for everyone. Getting hugely upset over over a couple of bonus romances seems churlish, to me.
Yeah. There seems to be the assumption here that people can only role-play their own sex and sexuality. I'm a straight man and my canon Shep is a Liaramancing femshep. My canon inquisitor is likely to be a Seramancing elf, although I'm currently playing as a Qunari who's going to romance Dorian and I'm looking forward to that.
And isn’t it lovely how the we-must-play-as-us variety project their predisposition onto you? A trend I hadn’t noticed until paying attention to comments sections. And it reaches all the way to preference in people. I mean, the preaching I’ve witnessed concerning Cassandra’s femineity, and how no straight man could find that attractive, would be amusing if it weren’t so disturbing.
I think many would do well to realize that the choice of romances open to you are part of the story, not the gameplay. It is not a sex-sim. And in light of that, deal with it. Not much more can be said.
It is odd how some people seem to expect that everyone else in a sub-group of humanity that numbers in the millions or billions should have the same tastes as them... That said I do support there being a diverse selection of options in a game like this. and there are. If in this case none appeal to you, bad luck. That was actually the case for me in DA2. None of the romances really clicked , but I didn't complain. That's just the way it goes sometimes.
Actually I thought I'd have more problems playing as a Qunari because I just don't identify with the bodybuilder physique, but it seems I'm OK with it. Even had I not been, I wouldn't have complained as I could've played as one of the other races. As it is I've created a character who I'm interested in and who I think will be a good fit for Dorian.
For me, it's less about unable to RP a character who is a different gender/sexuality as me, and more about being so excited about finally being able to RP a character who is the same gender/sexuality as me that I don't want to play any other way. I have played many, many games that have forced my main character into a straight relationship (and that's fine), so when given the option to play in a s/s relationship, I can't pass it up. And Bioware is really the only AAA developer that is giving this option consistently. Perhaps, Bethesda now as well, but that's to be seen.
That being said, all I ask for is the ability to have a choice in my s/s option. It really doesn't bother me if I have less choices than other groups (which is why I'm totally fine with DA2, ME3, and DA: I - the only Bioware games that have actually given me an choice between more than one option), as long as I get a choice. I don't like having zero options when other people have got options (obviously) and I don't let being given one option ("Here's your one choice, hope you like him....") when other people get multiple options.
I'm genuinely fine with any of the following options:
I usually end up RPing a female playthrough at least once as well. My FemShep romanced Liara. My HoFs romanced Alistair and Leliana. My Lady Hawke romanced Isabela. And my Femquisitor romanced Blackwall.
Yeah that's exactly why I said that I support a variety of LIs. I wouldn't want BioWare to stop what they are doing in terms of diversity. If however it turns out that the ones they made in one game don't happen to be to your taste, then that's a shame, but it's just bad luck. Maybe you'll like the ones in the next game more...For me, it's less about unable to RP a character who is a different gender/sexuality as me, and more about being so excited about finally being able to RP a character who is the same gender/sexuality as me that I don't want to play any other way. I have played many, many games that have forced my main character into a straight relationship (and that's fine), so when given the option to play in a s/s relationship, I can't pass it up. And Bioware is really the only AAA developer that is giving this option consistently. Perhaps, Bethesda now as well, but that's to be seen.
That being said, all I ask for is the ability to have a choice in my s/s option. It really doesn't bother me if I have less choices than other groups (which is why I'm totally fine with DA2, ME3, and DA: I - the only Bioware games that have actually given me an choice between more than one option), as long as I get a choice. I don't like having zero options when other people have got options (obviously) and I don't let being given one option ("Here's your one choice, hope you like him....") when other people get multiple options.
I'm genuinely fine with any of the following options:
- Everyone gets no option (i.e., no romance; not my preferred choice, but it's not the end of the world)
- Everyone gets two options (my preferred approach, whether that means the DA2 approach or the ME3/DA: I approach)
- Everyone gets two options but some groups get more than two options (Who cares? As long as I'm getting my two options, it feels petty to be upset that other people get more than two options. Sure, it would be nice to be one of those groups every once in a while, but it's not a big deal)
I usually end up RPing a female playthrough at least once as well. My FemShep romanced Liara. My HoFs romanced Alistair and Leliana. My Lady Hawke romanced Isabela. And my Femquisitor romanced Blackwall.
Yeah that's exactly why I said that I support a variety of LIs. I wouldn't want BioWare to stop what they are doing in terms of diversity. If however it turns out that the ones they made in one game don't happen to be to your taste, then that's a shame, but it's just bad luck. Maybe you'll like the ones in the next game more...
Totally agreed. It's why I have very little sympathy for the people who complain about Cassandra and Josephine. Bioware is under no obligation to create custom-made LI's for every taste. I couldn't stand either Anders or Fenris, but I certainly wouldn't complain that Bioware was short-changing me. They gave me options. I just didn't like the options that they gave me. No harm, no foul. But it would be disingenuous to pretend that the options that they gave me were somehow worse or less than (objectively) just because I didn't like them (subjectively). Not saying that this OP did that, though.
I just wish they'd mix things up a little. Make the sweet, virginal LI straight. Make the tomboy or ice queen straight. Make the knight in shining armor and/or the romance destined for heartbreak/"feels" bisexual. It's getting predictable and I dpn't really like what BW thinks I should, apparently.
Agreed. I'd like to see some tropes subverted a bit. However, I think the ice queen should be lesbian. They've always been straight (Viconia, Bastila, Miranda, Morrigan). The bisexual and lesbian gals aren't ice queens, usually: Juhani, Silk Fox, Liara, Leliana, Isabela, Merrill, Kelly, Samantha, Josephine, Sera. Nary an ice queen to be seen!
Ice queen? The only LI who vaguely approaches that moniker in DA is Morrigan. Straight. In ME? Maybe Miranda. Straight. Tomboy? Who do you count as a Tomboy? Sera? Anyone else? I'm confused...I just wish they'd mix things up a little. Make the sweet, virginal LI straight. Make the tomboy or ice queen straight. Make the knight in shining armor and/or the romance destined for heartbreak/"feels" bisexual. It's getting predictable and I dpn't really like what BW thinks I should, apparently.
I just wish they'd mix things up a little. Make the sweet, virginal LI straight. Make the tomboy or ice queen straight. Make the knight in shining armor and/or the romance destined for heartbreak/"feels" bisexual. It's getting predictable and I dpn't really like what BW thinks I should, apparently.
Alistair was virgin but were you talking about women?
Nota, the game screwed everyone BUT straight males because only we havê Cassandra.
I scarcely believe I must explain something so elementary but there you go.
Cassandra! 
Nota, the game screwed everyone BUT straight males because only we havê Cassandra.
I scarcely believe I must explain something so elementary but there you go.
No, the game screwed everyone BUT straight males because only we havê Cassandra.
I scarcely believe I must explain something so elementary but there you go.
I'm new, so forgive me if I've missed something please. My beef in this addition to the Thedas universe is that if you are female, you must stalk your intended. You have to make the move, you have to do most of the flirting, you have to be the one that hits that heart response on the wheel. In DA1, Alistair gives you a flower, Lelianna complements your hair. I think in DA:I Blackwell does say something complimentary. Anyway, maybe I missed something but would have nice to have more of an advancement in interest by the npc.
I'm new, so forgive me if I've missed something please. My beef in this addition to the Thedas universe is that if you are female, you must stalk your intended. You have to make the move, you have to do most of the flirting, you have to be the one that hits that heart response on the wheel. In DA1, Alistair gives you a flower, Lelianna complements your hair. I think in DA:I Blackwell does say something complimentary. Anyway, maybe I missed something but would have nice to have more of an advancement in interest by the npc.
Well, back when Gaider was head writer, he said that they'd not go this route again because of the backlash that happened when Anders hit on male Hawke. Granted, some people will say that it was more about the fact that it was unclear how to reject him without getting rivalry points. But people also complained vigorously about Kaidan hitting on male Shep and there were no rivalry points involved there, so who knows.....?
I'm new, so forgive me if I've missed something please. My beef in this addition to the Thedas universe is that if you are female, you must stalk your intended. You have to make the move, you have to do most of the flirting, you have to be the one that hits that heart response on the wheel. In DA1, Alistair gives you a flower, Lelianna complements your hair. I think in DA:I Blackwell does say something complimentary. Anyway, maybe I missed something but would have nice to have more of an advancement in interest by the npc.
DAO is deceptive in this regard because there aren't heart icons or the like to indicate that a line is a flirt or shows romantic interest on the part of the PC. But there ARE such lines. People often complained about being "ninjamanced" by Leliana because the dialog options can come across as vague, particularly if you're a female who might want to talk to her in a close, girly way.
But you do have to keep in mind that this is also fitting for some of the LI. Cullen is not going to initiate as that's not his personality. Also, given Dorian's history (yes, I realize you were talking about the female PC, but the LI initiation still applies), I don't think he would be inclined to initiate either and barely even responds to the PC's initial flirts.
But people also complained vigorously about Kaidan hitting on male Shep and there were no rivalry points involved there, so who knows.....?
Well no, we know what at least part of the issue was with some people...
However I will say that even as a fem Hawke I was never crazy about that first path anyway and even on my Anders romance plays I avoid it entirely by just picking the purple option and use the Act 2 flirts to start the romance. The version for a fem Hawke where he states that he will break your heart and so forth after they only just met is, IMO, absurd, made even more so because of the fact that a male Hawke does not get those lines and gets alternate ones about Karl instead. So, he isn't worried about breaking male Hawke's heart?!
DG once responded to a thread where there was a long, drawn-out argument about this issue and basically stated that it was silly to expect Anders to tell a woman he was interested in about his romantic/sexual relationship with another man. (Never mind that some of us think that's hot, but I digress...) But my problem was always with the drastic difference in overall tone between the gender options. Then again, Anders is an extreme person, so it's not too surprising.
^ I honestly think that would be too much of a hassle for the devs to even bother with.
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