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[TDB1726]

This really bothered me, especially after having read the books and played Heroes of Dragon Age. In the book Fiona is a badass and a hugely important character. She is the lover to Maric and mother to Alistair (right?). She goes from ass kicking Warden to Grand Enchantress. In the HDA she even looks like a badass wih her Mask and sweet outfit. But very disappointingly, in DAI, she is just some plain, underwhelming, wimply middleaged elf woman. She barely even has a role in the whole game. Grand Enchantress former Grey Warden, and mother to (my current King of Ferelden), and she looks like all the other mage NPCs in the game. Just stands there in Skyhold, doing absolutely nothing. I feel she should have played a much bigger role and Bioware should have made her a much more imposing and unique character.

[Akrabra]

Not quite sure, i felt like she was in it just for the cameo. Granted at the time of The Mage's quest she is under the influence of the Venatori or atleast confused about the situation. And yes compared to what she is and have been she looks kind of generic. Same robe as we've seen since the first game and she doesn't really have a unique design.

 

Also there was no interaction between her and Alistair. When he was King they met when he gave them shelter and later at Redcliffe Castle. If he is a Warden he is hanging around Skyhold, and they never talk. I could see her not wanting to compromise his rule of Ferelden by pointing out that he is a half-elf, after all Alistair would do the right thing in that situation. 

[Master Warder Z_]

You get a semi decent boss fight out of the demented hag if you go Templar route so its not all bad

[Boost32]

You get a semi decent boss fight out of the demented hag if you go Templar route so its not all bad

And she dies! Thats the most important part, because she will no longer make Thedas suffer with her stupidity.

[lynroy]

This going to turn into another Fiona hate thread?

[andy6915]

Age. Most people do tend to mellow out a lot with age. Think about Wynne, she used to be a high tempered fire brand with little patience, compare that to what she's like by the time we meet her in DAO.

[Serza]

This going to turn into another Fiona hate thread?

 

Yes. It seems like it.

 

Say, Lyn, how's the Drinkquisition doing these days?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

This going to turn into another Fiona hate thread?

I hate to sound like an arse, but she had it coming.

[lynroy]

Yes. It seems like it.

 

Say, Lyn, how's the Drinkquisition doing these days?

Not bad. Still do a roaring trade. Cheers.

[Serza]

Not bad. Still do a roaring trade. Cheers.

 

Ah, fine news, those! I might drop by and have Cabot swing a few ales my way!

[Andromelek]

And she is the second person that conveniently forgot to tell you about certain tall talking darkspawn that resembled to Corypheus.

[Master Warder Z_]

And she is the second person that conveniently forgot to tell you about certain tall talking darkspawn that resembled to Corypheus.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I hate to sound like an arse, but she had it coming.

*uses your shoulder as an arm rest*

We can be arses together.

Fiona--Ugh. Completely useless the entire game.

[SgtSteel91]

Forever bitter at the writers for so much misuse of a character and wasted potential  

 

(She was a sex slave as a child and thought the Circle was no better than her slavery, why would you have her agree to being an indenture servant to a Magister!)

 

Her role could have been more than confirming, yes, she's Alistair's mom. Anyone who can rub two brain cells together could figure that out after reading the book.

[Andromelek]

*uses your shoulder as an arm rest*
We can be arses together.
Fiona--Ugh. Completely useless the entire game.

Add me on! Now, Fiona being mother of Alistair, that explains a lot, now, if you excuse me, I'm going save Thedas from more stupids breeding...

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

*uses your shoulder as an arm rest*

We can be arses together.

Fiona--Ugh. Completely useless the entire game.

Innkeep! I want the finest dwarven ale you have! Drinks are on me!

 

*Slides over a tankard of ale*

 

Yeeaaahhh! We can be arsessss togathaaarrr!!! *hic* Cheers, mate! 

 

Oh, aye...what a useless sorceresseswes full of sod *hic* Sodding freeloader! *hic*

[Boost32]

This going to turn into another Fiona hate thread?

What is the problem with that? She deserve it.

[Boost32]

Add me on! Now, Fiona being mother of Alistair, that explains a lot, now, if you excuse me, I'm going save Thedas from more stupids breeding...

Thankfully the breed and the breeder are dead in my world state.

[Nerevar-as]

What is the problem with that? She deserve it.

Why? Not agreeing to her people treated like **** and try to do something about it? Being the subject of bad writing at Redcliff?

BTW, back when she met the Architect, he looked like a normal hurlock, but gamewise the devs didn't find that good enough.

[MisterJB]

 

I don't like Fiona at all and relished in the opportunity to kill her.

With that being said, I had expected more from her. In the books, she was petulant but fiery, reckless but determined. She stood up to the Architect, Lord Seeker Lambert and even insulted the Divine and Ferelden's King.

I did not expect her to make good decisions because she never did but I did expect her to be defiant. As we begin the game, she has efectivelly sold her mages into slavery because she was afraid of the Templars. Her further interactions with Ferelden's monarchs and the Inquisition are nothing but her throwing herself at their mercy and accepting whatever they deem is low enough for her.

Nevermind her serving one of the Seven Magisters who brought the Blight to Thedas.

 

It's pathetic.

[Boost32]

Why? Not agreeing to her people treated like **** and try to do something about it? Being the subject of bad writing at Redcliff?
BTW, back when she met the Architect, he looked like a normal hurlock, but gamewise the devs didn't find that good enough.

Good excuse, "bad writing".
She screwed at Redcliff and started a war she couldn't win, so yes its deserved.

[MisterJB]

Why? Not agreeing to her people treated like **** and try to do something about it? Being the subject of bad writing at Redcliff?

BTW, back when she met the Architect, he looked like a normal hurlock, but gamewise the devs didn't find that good enough.

 

Well, the meta reasons is that she was a raging Mary Sue in the books and has no presence whatsoever in the game.

 

As for inworld reasons, she started a world war and has made nothing but poor decisions.

 

1-Let's assume Lambert hadn't interrupted the first meeting and the mages had voted for independence. They are still around a dozen, maybe a few hundreds in the White Spire. Meanwhile, they are surrounded by thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Templars, Chevaliers, Bards and common soldiers and non-mage civillians.

What's next? Hope the Divine and Templars are feeling nice enough to let them go? But she even said "F the Divine" so, she wasn't counting on her help to make her motion stand.

 

2-She started the war with the mages having no valuable resources, no allies, no spies, no money and with just one fortification. By the time DAI rolls around, they are living on Redcliff at the mercy of one non-mage monarch, pledge themselves to a Magisters because they feel they will be slaugthered otherwise and only avoid becoming thralls to a millenia old Tevinter Magister who started the Blights if the Inquisition is feeling charitable enough. Furthermore, for their rebellion to accomplish even a semblance of what they wanted, they require the Inquisition allying with them and placing the "right" Divine on the Sunburst throne.

 

Basically, she started a war with nothing but good thoughts and it goes so badly for her that the "glorious mage rebellion" is entirely dependant upon the goodwill of outside sources for survival, never mind victory.
 

[Andromelek]

BTW, back when she met the Architect, he looked like a normal hurlock, but gamewise the devs didn't find that good enough.

Perhaps he was being seen with Fiona's crossed eyes of tare.

I don't like Fiona at all and relished in the opportunity to kill her.
With that being said, I had expected more from here. In the books, she was petulant but fiery, reckless but determined. She stood up to the Architect, Lord Seeker Lambert and even insulted the Divine and Ferelden's King.
I did not expect her to make good decisions because she never did but I did expect her to be defiant. As we begin the game, she has efectivelly sold her mages into slavery because she was afraid of the Templars. Her further interactions with Ferelden's monarchs and the Inquisition are nothing but her throwing herself at their mercy and accepting whatever they deem is low enough for her.
Nevermind her serving one of the Seven Magisters who brought the Blight to Thedas.
 
It's pathetic.

The Architect and Lambert are better characters anyway, more cunning and pretty sure they are/would be better bosses, damn, Bioware! why you have to kill the cool ones on books and let us only the lame ones for the games!

[Andromelek]

Well, the meta reasons is that she was a raging Mary Sue in the books and has no presence whatsoever in the game.

As for inworld reasons, she started a world war and has made nothing but poor decisions

2-She started the war with the mages having no valuable resources, no allies, no spies, no money and with just one fortification. By the time DAI rolls around, they are living on Redcliff at the mercy of one non-mage monarch, pledge themselves to a Magisters because they feel they will be slaugthered otherwise and only avoid becoming thralls to a millenia old Tevinter Magister who started the Blights if the Inquisition is feeling charitable enough. Furthermore, for their rebellion to accomplish even a semblance of what they wanted, they require the Inquisition allying with them and placing the "right" Divine on the Sunburst throne.

Basically, she started a war with nothing but good thoughts and it goes so badly for her that the "glorious mage rebellion" is entirely dependant upon the goodwill of outside sources for survival, never mind victory.

Yup, being unable to win any fight for themselves and depending of a third top strategist to stand up a fight seem to be shared characteristics on that family.