Well that's the social and or ethnic minority for you.
What can you do?
Have them toe the line or kill them, not that much different from our own world come to think of it.
But that's obviously terrible and it shouldn't be portrayed positively in the sorts of entertainment that these social and ethnic minorities like to escape into.
But that's obviously terrible and it shouldn't be portrayed positively in the sorts of entertainment that these social and ethnic minorities like to escape into.
You think so? I'd disagree, I think it gives the place more depth.
Not to mention people should get over fictional "intolerance", more then enough real stuff like that to get wrapped up in a knot about. Then again that's my perspective and it's one based around the opinion that matters like that shouldn't be crammed into games to begin with. Political statements and satire are fine, but it shouldn't be treated in any serious light.
It's entertainment, nothing more.
Not to mention it's liberating to see it being treated as such; even fairy tales need a bit of moral ambiguity after all.
You think so? I'd disagree, I think it gives the place more depth.
Not to mention people should get over fictional "intolerance", more then enough real stuff like that to get wrapped up in a knot about. Then again that's my perspective and it's one based around the opinion that matters like that shouldn't be crammed into games to begin with. Political statements and satire are fine, but it shouldn't be treated in any serious light.
It's entertainment, nothing more.
Not to mention it's liberating to see it being treated as such; even fairy tales need a bit of moral ambiguity after all.
Well, fiction falls into a realm known as escapism where people immerse themselves into a non-real setting/story as a temporary escape from reality. This realm can also feature unpleasant aspects of reality only it's shown in a way that's easier to see and understand and therefore relate to similar situations in the real world.
But if your fictional story is so "dark, gritty and hopeless" that it's even worst than real life in certain respects then why should anyone care about what happens in said story?
Origins for example features city elves getting abused, murdered, abducted and raped within a system that strips away their identity and forces them into a role of poverty and powerlessness. Any attempt to fight back is crushed and the City Elf Warden would have been imprisoned and executed for having the audacity to fight back if not for the intervention of Duncan.
What stops this from being so dark that your brain tunes out and you stop being invested? The City Elf has a chance to make a difference and while hardship is present, becoming a bann or appointing a bann is a progressive step to giving alienage elves more of a say in their society. It will be hard, but there is still hope.
Same thing with Briala and Inquisition. Having an elf as a high ranking noble over the Dales is just another step to improve the lot of city elves. Again, there will be hardship and opposition, but there is real hope and that's something worth fighting to keep alive.
And believe it or not, this is also reflective of real-life where groups and individuals made substantial efforts to improve the lot of their oppressed minority/socially ostricized group and look at what's happened in the US alone. There's still problems, but there are still clear signs of progress and hope.
As for whether this should be explored in video games, I say why not? Heavy issues are looked at in just about every other medium, why not video games as well?
Knight Enchanters, Arcane Warriors and the apostates who lived all their lives out of the Circle know melee combat, if your question is if the Circle mages know, that's unlikely, they had to get a Fortress to keep their rebellion forward, and they basically depend of spells, on the Circle they receive anything they need from the Templars, if you side with them and take them as allies you can find a mage complaining at Cassandra, so, they still being pretty useless.
Obviously, Circle Mages are prevented from learning a lot of combat skills that could make them more "equal" to Templars in a fight, including Shapeshifting and other hedge mage spells. Since Fiona is basically the leader of the Circle Mages I was talking about them. Other than Vivienne, I don't see a lot of Knight Enchanters running around the game, and the Arcane Warriors never appeared after Origins, so I think the Warden kept that one to him/her self. Apostates might have martial arts skills, but obviously most circle mages don't have a clue. This was something that should have been addressed by their leader and wasn't. After all, by the time the Conclave takes place, the rebellion's gone on for some time.
Every mage runs out of mana sooner or later and most don't have instant access to lyrium. A dagger or short-sword and the will and skill to use it could literally be a life-saver.
I don't see a lot of Knight Enchanters running around the game
They are supposed to be very rare, and only extremely exceptional individuals are given the Chantry sanction to even learn it. That means that the only circle mages that would be allowed to learn it are mages who are very trusted, trusted enough that it's a mage they don't have any worry will start attacking templars or would go apostate.
Knight Enchanters, Arcane Warriors and the apostates who lived all their lives out of the Circle know melee combat, if your question is if the Circle mages know, that's unlikely, they had to get a Fortress to keep their rebellion forward, and they basically depend of spells, on the Circle they receive anything they need from the Templars, if you side with them and take them as allies you can find a mage complaining at Cassandra, so, they still being pretty useless.
The same scene where Cassandra says "Deal. With It." also happens with the Templars.
Obviously, Circle Mages are prevented from learning a lot of combat skills that could make them more "equal" to Templars in a fight, including Shapeshifting and other hedge mage spells. Since Fiona is basically the leader of the Circle Mages I was talking about them. Other than Vivienne, I don't see a lot of Knight Enchanters running around the game, and the Arcane Warriors never appeared after Origins, so I think the Warden kept that one to him/her self. Apostates might have martial arts skills, but obviously most circle mages don't have a clue. This was something that should have been addressed by their leader and wasn't. After all, by the time the Conclave takes place, the rebellion's gone on for some time.
Every mage runs out of mana sooner or later and most don't have instant access to lyrium. A dagger or short-sword and the will and skill to use it could literally be a life-saver.
How do you know they didn't? You forget that the Mages fought the Templars to a standstill after a year of fighting so apparently they either learned martial skills or made up for it in other areas.
The same scene where Cassandra says "Deal. With It." also happens with the Templars.
Because being forced into working with the party that you were just days before at war with is a bit frustrating naturally.
In the Templar's case it isn't mere whining its justifiable being forced into working alongside apostates.
ou forget that the Mages fought the Templars to a standstill after a year of fighting
Actually the mages got fought into a corner and had to hole up at the charity of Fereldan.
Fiona was very open about how utterly screwed her rebellion was by the time DAI rolled around.
How do you know they didn't? You forget that the Mages fought the Templars to a standstill after a year of fighting so apparently they either learned martial skills or made up for it in other areas.
The game explicitly says both that the war was a stalemate with no end in sight AND that the Mages were on the verge of total defeat. So sadly the game didn't do a good job clarifying how both could be true.
The game explicitly says both that the war was a stalemate with no end in sight AND that the Mages were on the verge of total defeat. So sadly the game didn't do a good job clarifying how both could be true.
The game explicitly says both that the war was a stalemate with no end in sight AND that the Mages were on the verge of total defeat. So sadly the game didn't do a good job clarifying how both could be true.
Well what's his face-Dean did have a plausible scenario.
The Templars had militarily all but won the war until the intervention via Fereldan which placed both sides in stalemate because while the Templars where obviously prepared to fight this war unlike the mages, they didn't have the resources to lay siege to Redcliffe and potentially trigger a war with Fereldan during the middle of their mage purges.
So to me? That seems likely enough given that Fereldan's intervention was perhaps the only thing that saved what was left of the rebellion from being butchered on the field at the hands of their foes.
). On the mage side of things, we are constantly told by mages how hard it is for them to live in a world where most people fear magic and how horribly the templars treat them, but they also constantly act like skittish children, deciding at random that the only solutions to problems are mass murder, blood magic, and alliances with evil slavers (but it's okay because oppression ).
The entire reason the Conclave was called is that supposedly the war dragged on for months with no easy victory for the Templars in sight. Lucius was presumably replaced by the Envy Demon some point between the Conclave being agreed upon and it actually happening, given the change in his behavior noticed by the author of his codex.
And I think even the recent gift of Redcliffe to the mages was a recent development.
The entire reason the Conclave was called is that supposedly the war dragged on for months with no easy victory for the Templars in sight.
Because they were holed in a fortress that's near legendary for being a utter pain in the ass to take.
What was it? Three times in 700 years its fallen?
Its been six months that the mages were given sanctuary.The entire reason the Conclave was called is that supposedly the war dragged on for months with no easy victory for the Templars in sight. Lucius was presumably replaced by the Envy Demon some point between the Conclave being agreed upon and it actually happening, given the change in his behavior noticed by the author of his codex.
And I think even the recent gift of Redcliffe to the mages was a recent development.
Its been six months that the mages were given sanctuary.
Anora's codex confirma it.
Wasn't the war still going on before that?
Wasn't the war still going on before that?
Yup, but not for long.
The war kicked off after the rebellion at the White Spire right? That was in 9:40 Dragon.
By the time DAI rolls around? They've been holed in Redcliffe for six months already.
So to me the course of the war seems like they spent a couple of months getting their ass kicked across Orlais, ran to Fereldan and the Templars chased after until Redcliffe caused a stalemate.
How do you know they didn't? You forget that the Mages fought the Templars to a standstill after a year of fighting so apparently they either learned martial skills or made up for it in other areas.
That's a strange assessment, considering Fiona's assessment of the situation as being so dire that slavery and exile were preferable.
I really disliked Fiona in Asunder. Instead of supporting Wynne and the Devine to slowly to improve the world of the Mages, she lead the Mages into war - a war they could not win. I understand her impatience, but many mages were not ready to make the transition. IMO she should have supported Wynne and bought time to better prepare the Mages for life outside the circle. The vote was far from a resounding majority. But Fiona's arrogance shone through and she did not wait. As a result she caused many, many Mages more heartache and suffering than the Templars.
She claimed she had no choice but to kneel down to Tevinter? I think she indeed had a choice...had she shown some patience she could have approached the left or right hand of the Devine for guidance. She could have joined the Inquisition and brought change - real change and real purpose to her peeps. Once again her arrogance - her "I know best" attitude caused immense suffering. What an ass she turned out to be. She is one of the most pitiful characters in all the DA series so far -I put her right in there with Anders and Logain - misguided narcissists all....
She could have joined the Inquisition and brought change - real change and real purpose to her peeps.
She tried, invited the Inquisitor to Redcliff while in Val Royeaux. Alexius used time magic to get to Redcliff prior to the VR meeting which is why Fiona didn't remember the invite.
She tried, invited the Inquisitor to Redcliff while in Val Royeaux. Alexius used time magic to get to Redcliff prior to the VR meeting which is why Fiona didn't remember the invite.
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