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[Master Warder Z_]

Wouldn't matter now, He's no longer associated with the product.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Wouldn't matter now, He's no longer associated with the product.

Funny how that works. In that case, the blood magic is confirmed by Weekes

[Master Warder Z_]

Hardly.

[MisterJB]

She ignored mage supremacists because the rebel mages were not mage supremacists, nor did she have the means to fight them, nor would she want to.

Yes, she would side with the losers and die a loser if it meant dying morally.

 

Do you honestly fail to see how these two statements, within the very same post, contradict each other?
 

The mages weren't winning. Most of them just got crushed in an avalanche. And the Herald was still on the field. Victory was far from assured.

 

Well, I don't know why Cassandra bothered to hire Cullen to lead the Inquisition's forces. Clearly, she should have contacted you.

He believes the battle is lost but you? You would have lead us to victory.

[Master Warder Z_]

How this thread continues I am honestly astounded.

[Boost32]

Do you honestly fail to see how these two statements, within the very same post, contradict each other?
 

 
Well, I don't know why Cassandra bothered to hire Cullen to lead the Inquisition's forces. Clearly, she should have contacted you.
He believes the battle is lost but you? You would have lead us to victory.

I know I would do a better job than Cullen, he is useless as a general and he failed as Knight-Commander in Kirkwall.

[TK514]

Well it's more likely than the theory that the Venatori in the lower chambers of Redcliffe castle put Fiona through brain surgery after being sent highly advanced medical technology from a futuristic race of sentient baboons who discovered Alexius' time amulet sealed within a bunch of living bananas that were preserved throughout the ages by...

 

Spoiler

blood magic.

 

Occam's Razor demands I cut right to the chase.

 

Occam's Razor would demand that you accept the simplest and most obvious answer, which is that she was stupid and incompetent.

 

Or, to put it another way, Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

[TK514]

Imagine if Gaider finally did confirm the blood magic

 

Find that codex entry yet?

[Sunnie]

Here you go Warder, you can use this....

 

This thread expired 3 days ago.

[Boost32]

Its fun to beat a dead horse, specially if you replace the horse with Fiona.

[Master Warder Z_]

Here you go Warder, you can use this....

This thread expired 3 days ago.

I'm not Dai Grepher...

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Blood magic..... It's everywhere!

In your homes, your schools; it's in the streets!

[Master Warder Z_]

Blood magic..... It's everywhere!

In your homes, your schools; it's in the streets!

Seems like some people think so

[Andromelek]

Its fun to beat a dead horse, specially if you replace the horse with Fiona.

Too bad we can't turn her into Red Lyrium, I would like have sent her to the primeval Thaig on that state, Rock Wraiths also need to eat.

[Dai Grepher]

So I found some proof. After Champions of the Just, Sera says, "Templars filling up the place. Best of the polished helms come to save us."

 

Sera confirms both that Haven is being filled with templars, and that the elites have come to seal the breach.

 

Also is a templar chore table mission that is available after Champions of the Just (I allied with templars, don't know if that makes a difference) called "The Order's Obligations". Cullen's card states that they can spare a few mages, and if those in the order wish to live up to their ideals, then let them. So Cullen allows those of the main order to go far to the north west near Serault. Why, if they need more forces in Haven? This indicates that Haven did have the main order of templars from Therinfal as well.

 

@Deztyn Or you could post proof to back up your claim.

 

No, that would be redundant. Fiona would only think they came to kill the mages if they came to kill the mages first? No, my claim was this: If Fiona thought the Inquisition was going to help the templars kill the rebel mages, it would only be under the condition that the templars help the Inquisition seal the breach first. She would think she has until after the attempt was made before the two groups came for the rebel mages. Your side made the claim that she would think they would come for her before sealing the breach.

 

Upon going back and checking this, it was Dean_the_Young who first posted that theory. My reply was to him, which is why you didn't understand the point I was making there. My point in all this, if Fiona thought the Inquisition was going to kill the rebel mages first, then the fact they didn't even bother moving in the direction of the mages proves that they weren't interested in killing the mages first. In which case Fiona had all the time in the world to tell Alexius to move them north toward Tevinter so they wouldn't have to fight.

 

1. Oh well the children aren't being made to fight in a battle. That makes the Venatori just a bunch of great guys, doesn't it? Forget the fact that the rebel mages either fled or were KILLED by them. Fiona doesn't care about them. She just cares about the ones who already support the Venatori's evil actions and are in no danger of being killed by them if she decides to leave. No, Fiona would not think the Inquisition and templars were coming to kill them, and no she would not want to go back south and fight them on unknown terrain. Why would she choose to fight when they could have all just left for Tevinter and been "safe" from the Inquisition and their templars?

 

Fiona was a Grey Warden. She also met the Architect. She would know better than to ally with another crazy darkspawn who talks about changing the world.

 

2. Potential allies are not relevant to the situation. Alexius wronged her and her people, she would make him pay for it. Besides, the Inquisition was still a potential ally to her and the mages. Anything Alexius spoke to her about the Inquisition would at that point be considered as empty as his promises. The world is ending? Where? The Inquisition sealed the breach by then.

 

3. It only needs to be proof that the Venatori knew how to use blood magic. That is what makes it possible for them to have used it on Fiona. Also, Redcliffe can be investigated right after Champions of the Just is complete, which means it can be done before Heart Burn.

 

4.

 

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"Dialogue or Cutscenes would detract from the story."

 

 

Funny. Every other person here thinks DA:I's story could have benefited from more dialogue and cutscenes. Oh, question. Did the cutscene and dialogue with Grand Duchess Florianne in the courtyard detract from the storyline of Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts, in your opinion?

 

Even if you don't want that, she could have shouted things like, "I won't let you templar dogs harm my people", or "Back to the abyss with you wretched darkspawn". And you'd be like, "What?!". Or if you still think she was a willing participant in leading her people to slaughter, she could have said, "You'll never break out alliance with mighty Tevinter, Herald", or "After this we'll all be welcomed into the Imperium as full citizens. For the mages!" Ya know, something to indicate whether she was in her full wits or not.

 

I'm not saying Fiona should have necessarily appealed to the Herald during the attack on Haven from a gameplay perspective. I'm asking why she didn't do it storyline-wise. If she were herself, if there was nothing controlling her, then why didn't she do anything to make friends of the Inquisition?

 

5. So she's a tired and broken down old woman who gets punked by everyone, except when it comes to launching a full-scale attack on an organization full of soldiers and templars in a fort in the middle of a frozen wasteland? Why couldn't she lay down and be a punk against the Herald? Come on. She had enough in her to throw on some Archon Robes and blast with the best of them in Haven, right? No, she did what she could the whole time, up to the point where she knew everything she was doing was for nothing because there was never any deal. Yes, she made mostly bad choices, but when it came to her people being mistreated, she knew enough to do right. I think you're mischaracterizing her, and I hate Fiona.

 

Yeah but Fiona was at least someone players learned about in Val Royeaux. And those who read the books would know of her. And those who went to Redcliffe to hear the mages out would also know. Denam, I think, is the one who punched the Chantry mother in the back of the head, but he isn't identified if it is him. And if you didn't go to Therinfal you'd have no idea who Denam is.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Blood magic..... It's everywhere!

In your homes, your schools; it's in the streets!

"Well, obviously we have a BLOOD MAGE in Redcliffe. He's climbin' in your windows, he's snatchin' your mage up, tryin' to mind control' em. So y'all need to hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husband cause they're mind controllin' everybody out here."

 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

"Well, obviously we have a BLOOD MAGE in Redcliffe. He's climbin' in your windows, he's snatchin' your mage up, tryin' to mind control' em. So y'all need to hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husband cause they're mind controllin' everybody out here."

Oh my ****** God!

*jumps on your back*

"You don't have to come and confess; were looking for, we going find you, we going find you! So you can run and tell that, run and tell that, run and tell that, blood boy, blood, blood, blood boy!"

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Oh my ****** God!

*jumps on your back*

"You don't have to come and confess; were looking for, we going find you, we going find you! So you can run and tell that, run and tell that, run and tell that, blood boy, blood, blood, blood boy!"

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

"We got your robe, you done left fingerprints and all. You are so dumb, you are really dumb--for real."

 

 

Now, In Hushed Whispers is hilarious, and I'll never be able to look at Alexius in the same way again. You give me a chance to crack this open. 

 

Perfect. 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Now, In Hushed Whispers is hilarious, and I'll never be able to look at Alexius in the same way again. You give me a chance to crack this open.

Perfect.

This has made my day! Thank you!

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

This has made my day! Thank you!

This also made my day as well! You're most welcome, and thank you for giving me a perfect chance! 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

This also made my day as well! You're most welcome, and thank you for giving me a perfect chance!

It's so catchy! And just made the game 10x better!

Now I'm off to listen to the original!

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

It's so catchy! And just made the game 10x better!

Now I'm off to listen to the original!

Haha! It's all possible because of you, but seriously though I thought not many things could top putting Christopher Lloyd's face on Alexius and Michael J. Fox's face on Dorian while playing Back to the Future tune when you're doing In Hushed Whispers. 

 

I was reading your comment while listen to Bed Intruder and *ding*

[Dai Grepher]

Do you honestly fail to see how these two statements, within the very same post, contradict each other?

 

Well, I don't know why Cassandra bothered to hire Cullen to lead the Inquisition's forces. Clearly, she should have contacted you.

He believes the battle is lost but you? You would have lead us to victory.

 

I do not see how those two statements contradict each other. She would not side with supremacists because she doesn't support them, and she doesn't have the means to fight them, nor is it in her best interest to. Those bad mages fight, kill, and die against bad templars.

 

Next, considering her situation in Haven, in which she realizes Alexius has betrayed her by killing her people, chasing them into wilderness, and pitting them against the good people in deadly combat, her option is to either go along with this madman's scheme or turn on him and do the right thing. She did the right thing in the mages path. Why couldn't she in the templars path?

 

And I did. I crushed the enemy while my people escaped, and I survived.

 

Also, Cullen admits he wasn't prepared. He vows to not let the same thing happen to Skyhold.

[Dai Grepher]

Occam's Razor would demand that you accept the simplest and most obvious answer, which is that she was stupid and incompetent.

 

Or, to put it another way, Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

 

Stupidity and incompetence do not explain her actions though. She would have to willingly go along with evil, which she has been shown to reject in a different storyline path. So while simple and obvious, it conflicts with established facts.

 

Saying Fiona agreed to lead her people into a bloody battle after striving so hard to keep them out of one, and obeying the order of a betrayer who has lied to her the whole time, and following a darkspawn magister after everything she had been through as a Grey Warden, all because she was stupid? That is far from the simplest answer. There is too much you have to explain.

 

The simplest answer is that she rebelled just like she did in the mages path, and then was quickly taken control of by the Venatori who are known to use blood magic.

[Boost32]

No, thats the fabricated answer.
The simples answer is that she is incompetent, stupid and got herself in that position.