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[Magdalena11]

I think the reason that Fiona's appearance is underwhelming is that she already had her turns in the sun.  In The Calling, she's one of the three that foiled the Architect's plans to blight the entire planet.  In Asunder, she's the Grand Enchanter and heads the entire Circle.  Now, she's just concentrating on herding mages.  Sounds like a nice, quiet, retirement isn't bad.  Considering how easy it is to keep the mages from tearing each other apart, she's not going to have one.

 

Her role as Alistair's mother is pretty inconsequential.  I understand that the way Alistair's birth was explained got pretty complicated and conflicted other facts in places, and that's fine.  That's how a whole bunch of fireside tales get mashed together and form into sagas.  Some of the details don't make sense and they may not have started out as one story, but they are now.  

 

The point is, Fiona's appearance is pretty trivial.  She has no more worldly power than Celene or Lord Seeker Lucius or Clarel.

[Sunnie]

This going to turn into another Fiona hate thread?

Don't they always? Warder is here so it's inevitable.

 

@OP

Fiona has been relegated to plot device. She's a tool, nothing more at this point.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Architect and Lambert are better characters anyway, more cunning and pretty sure they are/would be better bosses, damn, Bioware! why you have to kill the cool ones on books and let us only the lame ones for the games!

 

Lambert was truly one of the better characters introduced in the written media.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Bioware's Artistic Writing is to be blamed here. I agree with Mister JB in that even though Fiona could have gone full retard, she was a defiant firebrand. She always has been. In Inquisition, she was an old demented elf.

[Master Warder Z_]

Bioware's Artistic Writing is to be blamed here. I agree with Mister JB in that even though Fiona could have gone full retard, she was a defiant firebrand. She always has been. In Inquisition, she was an old demented elf.

 

Fiona darling you're dementia is showing again.

 

 

Best Line Ever.

[The Baconer]

The Architect and Lambert are better characters anyway, more cunning and pretty sure they are/would be better bosses, damn, Bioware! why you have to kill the cool ones on books and let us only the lame ones for the games!

 

Lambert was probably one of the least cunning or otherwise competent characters to have existed.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lambert was probably one of the least cunning or otherwise competent characters to have existed.

 

I don't know there was Jory, Merril, Gilmore, Lyod, Thrask, Erimond, Cory, just to name a handful.

[The Baconer]

I don't know there was Jory, Merril, Gilmore, Lyod, Thrask, Erimond, Cory, just to name a handful.

 

Outside Cory (who was, all things considered, more successful in his own endeavors than Lambert), nobody on this list even had a fraction of the power and responsibility that Lambert did.

[Andromelek]

Lambert was truly one of the better characters introduced in the written media.

That's what I said, the Architect is the only cool character who made it out of the books, all the others are dead or didn't appear, and the others who made it into the games, well, I think that now I understand why people it's upset when a character from books shows off, those aren't really the best who have born on that media.

Lambert was probably one of the least cunning or otherwise competent characters to have existed.

Say whatever you want about Lambert, it would be actually more interesting seeing him taking over the Chantry and fighting him than having a headache because a dozen of random monks are speaking crap about you all around Thedas, that also would fit on what we were promised, "Save the World from tearing itself apart" not "Save the world from an ancient darkspawn magister who has a new toy and his army of gullible and suicidal dudes screwing everything even themselves"

[Patchwork]

I don't like Fiona that much but I do think that the mages should have been more involved in their own storyline like the templars were involved in theirs instead of it being all about Tevinter and the Venatori. The Redcliffe quest would have worked better if Fiona and Leliana had swapped places. 

 

The mage quests on the whole needed more clarity. We can create all the theories and headcanons we like but the game should have told us what was going on with Fiona being in VR and why people who rebelled for FREEDOM! did nothing but grumble when their leader sold them into slavery. Or that every mage we spoke to bar the yay!Tevinter one never wanted to rebel and wanted to go back to the circle, that was so needlessly lopsided.    

[The Baconer]

Say whatever you want about Lambert, it would be actually more interesting seeing him taking over the Chantry and fighting him than having a headache because a dozen of random monks are speaking crap about you all around Thedas, that also would fit on what we were promised, "Save the World from tearing itself apart" not "Save the world from an ancient darkspawn magister who has a new toy and his army of gullible and suicidal dudes screwing everything even themselves"

 

Well, I can agree that it would have felt better to personally put him six feet under.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lambert was probably one of the least cunning or otherwise competent characters to have existed.

Hardly considering he pretty much got what he wanted and of all characters in the book he finished in best position or at least would if not that cole killed him.

Adrian tried play chessmaster and start rebelion he squashed her and rebelion before it even started throwing her and rebels into jail. 

Divine tried play chessmaster and free mages he used it to pretty much oust her taking most of her military forces and made her helpless.

Avoiding Guy took on Evangeline , Cole and Rhys and won.

 

 

[The Baconer]

Hardly considering he pretty much got what he wanted and of all characters in the book he finished in best position or at least would if not that cole killed him.

 

He got what he wanted? A new Divine for Tevinter? A prolonged rebellion? A schism in the south? For the Imperium, he was like the gift that kept on giving. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

He got what he wanted? A new Divine for Tevinter? A prolonged rebellion? A schism in the south? For the Imperium, he was like the gift that kept on giving. 

Nope , again he ousted divine what was pretty much perfect for his goal to overthrow divine and pretty much mage rebelion had no chance to begin with.

[The Baconer]

Nope , again he ousted divine what was pretty much perfect for his goal to overthrow divine and pretty much mage rebelion had no chance to begin with.

 

Lambert nullified the Nevarran Accords, he didn't oust the Divine. To "oust" someone is to remove or expel them from office, but Justinia still reigned as Divine at the end of Asunder, and still held the position after he ceased existing as Lord Seeker.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lambert nullified the Nevarran Accords, he didn't oust the Divine. To "oust" someone is to remove or expel them from office, but Justinia still reigned as Divine at the end of Asunder, and still held the position after he ceased existing as Lord Seeker.

Lambert took most of her military forces and she couldn't do jack about it even after lambert died.Perhaps i used wrong word what i meant he simple left her pretty much helpless ,when guy had her army on his command.So pretty much Justinia was screwd when Lambert finished in pretty much in very good position (again avoiding that cole killed him).Considering that Justinia wouldn't have forces to protect herself it would be no problem to overthrow her.

[The Baconer]

Lambert took most of her military forces and she couldn't do jack about it even after lambert died.Perhaps i used wrong word what i meant he simple left her pretty much helpless ,when guy had her army on his command.So pretty much Justinia was screwd when Lambert finished in pretty much in very good position (again avoiding that cole killed him).Considering that Justinia wouldn't have forces to protect herself it would be no problem to overthrow her.

 

That ended up panning out really well for the Seekers and their Templars. I'm sure it would have gone even better for Lambert.

[Master Warder Z_]

Oddly enough TKS has a point.

 

Lambert was basically in the position to win the war in one single master stroke and have someone actually worthy of the throne become Divine.

 

Crush the rebellion, restore order to the world and have a dissent free circle and chantry all in one move.

 

Cole was the one variable that was unaccounted for.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That ended up panning out really well for the Seekers and their Templars. I'm sure it would have gone even better for Lambert.

It did ,if you mean red templars pretty much it had more to do that current leader of templars and seekers being member of the cult that wanted world destruction and replaced himself with envy demon.I doubt that Lambert would do that...

[SgtSteel91]

If Cole didn't kill Lambert I'm sure Corypheus would have done him in (or worse) to get the Templars under his control.

 

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I don't like Fiona that much but I do think that the mages should have been more involved in their own storyline like the templars were involved in theirs instead of it being all about Tevinter and the Venatori. The Redcliffe quest would have worked better if Fiona and Leliana had swapped places. 

 

The mage quests on the whole needed more clarity. We can create all the theories and headcanons we like but the game should have told us what was going on with Fiona being in VR and why people who rebelled for FREEDOM! did nothing but grumble when their leader sold them into slavery. Or that every mage we spoke to bar the yay!Tevinter one never wanted to rebel and wanted to go back to the circle, that was so needlessly lopsided.    

 

Also forever bitter at the writers for this too. Like, did they think when they had these stories planned out that it was a balanced representation of both sides in this "grey" conflict such that players would be evenly split on who to side with?

[Andromelek]

If Lambert would have survived, the Qunari would be angry because their Arishok is gone and Corypheus still messing around, DAI would have been a free for all war of those who I love, of course, it had to appear the junkie Compassion spirit (who rather acts like Justice) and ruin everything.

[The Baconer]

Oddly enough TKS has a point.

 

Lambert was basically in the position to win the war in one single master stroke and have someone actually worthy of the throne become Divine.

 

Crush the rebellion, restore order to the world and have a dissent free circle and chantry all in one move.

 

Cole was the one variable that was unaccounted for.

 

He thought he was, anyway. There are an infinite number of ways Andoral's reach could have ended, but he was gambling on the Chantry replacing Justinia while he was gone, (let alone one that give the Seekers even more power than they had before), which was not going to happen. Even in the event that the conclusion would have been remotely what he predicted, it would not have been a clean sweep.

[Serza]

Whoa. This escalated quickly into a "Hate on anyone in sight" thread.

 

Wow. I am in awe.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If Cole didn't kill Lambert I'm sure Corypheus would have done him in (or worse) to get the Templars under his control.

Even if he tried he would have to be successful and we have no evidence he would after all guy had an army of templars and seekers behind his back ,cole only got him because pretty much had perfect powers for assassin.

 

 

He thought he was, anyway. There are an infinite number of ways Andoral's reach could have ended, but he was gambling on the Chantry replacing Justinia while he was gone, (let alone one that give the Seekers even more power than they had before), which was not going to happen. Even in the event that the conclusion would have been remotely what he predicted, it would not have been a clean sweep.

And who said he was gambling on the chantry replacing Justinia?In first place again Justinia had no forces to protect herself , she wouldn't be able stop lambert from kicking her out.Chantry was helpless avoding Justinia had many enemies in chantry in first place. 

[The Baconer]

And who said he was gambling on the chantry replacing Justinia?

 

Uh, Lambert did, within his own internal monologue.

 

 

In first place again Justinia had no forces to protect herself , she wouldn't be able stop lambert from kicking her out.Chantry was helpless avoding Justinia had many enemies in chantry in first place. 

 

Justinia was sitting pretty in the Grand Cathedral, which is in Val Royeaux, among many more friends of importance than Lambert. If they didn't replace Justinia like he predicted, you think he was going to, what, just run a train on the Orlesian capital?