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[TheKomandorShepard]

Uh, Lambert did, within his own internal monologue.

 

 

 

Justinia was sitting pretty in the Grand Cathedral, which is in Val Royeaux, among many more friends of importance than Lambert. If they didn't replace Justinia like he predicted, you think he was going to, what, just run a train on the Orlesian capital?

I don't recall that part but pretty much sure cole said he wanted overthrow divine.

 

Yes im pretty sure they would help her against templars oh wait she couldn't do anything about it.

Justinia isn't Orlais so kicking out justinia isn't Attacking orlais ,as pretty much templars publicly headbutting revered mother shows they couldn't do anything against them nor orlais cared. 

[The Baconer]

Justinia isn't Orlais so kicking out justinia isn't Attacking orlais same thing as pretty much templars publicly headbutting revered mother shows they couldn't do anything against them nor orlais cared. 

 

The Templars forcing their way into Val Royeaux so they could march on the Grand Cathedral would be construed as an attack on Orlais, yes, especially during the chaos of the Civil War. Neither Gaspard or Celene is going to let that slide.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Templars forcing their way into Val Royeaux so they could march on the Grand Cathedral would be construed as an attack on Orlais, yes, especially during the chaos of the Civil War. Neither Gaspard or Celene is going to let that slide.

forcing

 

is key part, there is no need of forcing or even bringing an entire army in first place.Nor celene nor gaspard cared about templars going rouge against chantry nor they cared when templars publicly displied violent act against chantry ,so good luck with that.   

[The Baconer]

is key part, there is no need of forcing or even bringing an entire army in first place, nor celene nor gaspard cared about templars going rouge against chantry

 

Yes they did. Gaspard himself cites it as a reason for trying to take the throne: because someone needed to beat both the Templars and the mages back into line, and Celene's hands-off approach was not working.

[Master Warder Z_]

If Lambert would have survived, the Qunari would be angry because their Arishok is gone and Corypheus still messing around, DAI would have been a free for all war of those who I love, of course, it had to appear the junkie Compassion spirit (who rather acts like Justice) and ruin everything.

 

Bioware never knows what it has until its gone.

 

Its a old mistake of theirs 

[Master Warder Z_]

Yes they did. Gaspard himself cites it as a reason for trying to take the throne: because someone needed to beat both the Templars and the mages back into line, and Celene's hands-off approach was not working.

 

Which is why i personally think Gaspard would have let it happen given he himself was dismissive of the Divine due to her policies leading to this **** to begin with. While Celene would likely oppose it on principle given her much closer ties to the upper echelons of the Chantry. That said i am not saying Gaspard would condone a invasion, nothing close to it, but he would want to support a faction of stability.

 

Not an assassination or invasion mind you but; Lambert basically forcing the Chantry to concede.

 

Huh that would have been a interesting side point and interaction between the two conflicts intermingling ah well spilt milk and all that.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes they did. Gaspard himself cites it as a reason for trying to take the throne: because someone needed to beat both the Templars and the mages back into line, and Celene's hands-off approach was not working.

You mean In ME that was before templars and mages started war and part of the plot concerned of stoping tensions before war starts?Pretty much neither Gaspard nor Celene did anything about it afterwards so well... 

[The Baconer]

Which is why i personally think Gaspard would have let it happen given he himself was dismissive of the Divine due to her policies leading to this **** to begin with. While Celene would likely oppose it on principle given her much closer ties to the upper echelons of the Chantry. That said i am not saying Gaspard would condone a invasion, nothing close to it, but he would want to support a faction of stability.

 

Not an assassination or invasion mind you but; Lambert basically forcing the Chantry to concede.

 

Huh that would have been a interesting side point and interaction between the two conflicts intermingling ah well spilt milk and all that.

 

Gaspard would be able to see the point behind replacing Justinia, but would not abide a Lord Seeker who doesn't know his place. In this event I would predict both offices being wiped clean.

 

 

You mean In ME that was before templars and mages started war and part of the plot concerned of stoping tensions before war starts?

 

... I think that was almost English.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

 

... I think that was almost English.

It was English, but i see your only way to defend your argument is change of the subject.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaspard would be able to see the point behind replacing Justinia, but would not abide a Lord Seeker who doesn't know his place. In this event I would predict both offices being wiped clean.

 

Considering in this circumstance i'd doubt it personally.

 

Lambert would have been the Lord Seeker who declared the accord void and split from the incompetent chantry only to fix their rebellion, the Templar and Seekers would have the political leverage of being the victors of the conflict and custodians of the surviving circles as leverage, they could basically hold all of white thedas's magic hostage if they weren't appeased.

 

In this circumstance i'd say Gaspard would go with the obvious solution of working with the victors of the skirmish rather then the faction that has lost all of it's martial authority and is a rapidly sinking political influence.

 

In fact? I'd argue Gaspard would leap at the chance, it would be something he could flaunt at the council of heralds to influence their loyalty, he fixed the issue Celene let fester.

[The Baconer]

It was English, but i see your only way to defend your argument is change of the subject.

 

But can you see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

 

 

Considering in this circumstance i'd doubt it personally.

 

Lambert would have been the Lord Seeker who declared the accord void and split from the incompetent chantry only to fix their rebellion, the Templar and Seekers would have the political leverage of being the victors of the conflict and custodians of the surviving circles as leverage, they could basically hold all of white thedas's magic hostage if they weren't appeased.

 

So, pretty much the exact reason why he would happily bring them back into the fold, even enact the changes they were demanding, before vigorously leashing them to ensure they do not lash out in further stupidity. Lambert's efforts (were he actually successful) would definitely be appreciated, but Gaspard has little to gain in keeping around such a powerful and volatile individual.

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

But can you see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

Nope ,i have to admit i can't.

[Dai Grepher]

Killed her in Haven by freezing her to death and shattering her.

[Andromelek]

Killed her in Haven by freezing her to death and shattering her.

You know what would be great? That instead make the fans furious at them by allowing Xbox One and PC have the DLC first, they should have made a Xbox's exclusives themed DLC, then I could shoot her with Promethean's stuff and leave no ash behind.

[Boost32]

Killed her in Haven by freezing her to death and shattering her.

The best thing is just to kill her and leave her body buried under tons of snow, forgotten like the unimportant maggot that she is.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hm speaking of DLC about killing people ,i wouldn't mind if they did something similar to darkspawn chronicles just with little more story where inquistor died at the conclave , corypheus attack or just another point in the game and we play as calpernia or/and samson. 

[Cz-99]

I didn't know she was a hated character 'till I got here and saw le hate. Now I find it amusing.

 

I myself am no big fan of hers, I find her mundane (like the title says) despite all her past exploits. But I don't have any reason to hate her. She didn't impact the story enough for me to feel for her one way or the other.

[Vit246]

I didn't know she was a hated character 'till I got here and saw le hate. Now I find it amusing.

 

I myself am no big fan of hers, I find her mundane (like the title says) despite all her past exploits. But I don't have any reason to hate her. She didn't impact the story enough for me to feel for her one way or the other.

 

I get that players may dislike Fiona for legit reasons, but the amount of vitriol and sadism is insane.

[Master Warder Z_]

I get that players may dislike Fiona for legit reasons, but the amount of vitriol and sadism is insane.

 

Hardly; It's simply a response to the situation as it sits.

 

It's no more "insane" then calling Krem a dry as a moldy three day old biscuit personality.

 

Opinions and such; nothing more, nothing less. 

[Nerevar-as]

I´d really like to know why so many people think leaders whose main policy consists in making enemies with as many others as possible are the best. Often with messiah complex to top it all. Saying one is the most appropiate to win a war somehow missing with another leader there wouldn´t have been a war to begin with. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Character assassination. 

[Deztyn]

Also forever bitter at the writers for this too. Like, did they think when they had these stories planned out that it was a balanced representation of both sides in this "grey" conflict such that players would be evenly split on who to side with?

The problem with the Mage/Templar conflict has always been that so many players default to "Yay! Freedom!" that they need to be hit over the head with all the reasons why it's not that simple. And generally that still doesn't work. Cuz freedom.

[SgtSteel91]

The problem with the Mage/Templar conflict has always been that so many players default to "Yay! Freedom!" that they need to be hit over the head with all the reasons why it's not that simple. And generally that still doesn't work. Cuz freedom.

 

But, imo, they're getting too ham-handed with this approach and it ends up creating clear oppression dynamics but favoring the oppressors (and not just the Mages too, Elves got shat on too by this game, again imo).

[Deztyn]

I agree to a point.

The mages definitely needed more agency in their storyline.

But we do have several references to Templar abuses to clue in new players. And showing older players that the Circles weren't all Kirkwall and that many mages disapproved of the Rebellion, or became disenchanted by the reality of life outside the Circle was something that was desperately needed.

Overall, I think Inquisition did a better job showing the conflict than DA2. Nothing but extremes at both ends in that one.

The elves really did need to be portrayed better. I like Solas and Sera as characters. I also liked the games various revelations about Elven history. But if you weren't playing a Lavellan, nearly everything you see and hear about the Elves is negative.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

With the templars, this was actually first game in the trilogy that I felt it was finally equally justifiable to side with either the mages or templars. Which was something I appreciated, given that I thought "the mage choice" was much too easy a choice to make in the previous ones.

 

With the elves, I can't help but feel that at times it seems like Bioware regrets the amount of people that saw the elves as innocent victims, and was specifically trying to undo that perception in DAI. But ended up going so far in that direction that it came across sort of like they implying the persecuted minority deserved it.