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I see you also left out how that "Cole" if such a person ever really existed given I personally have doubts on that front killed a man.

Even if he had? The boy was a murderer; hardly a innocent victim.

Would you have preferred he be made tranquil upon arrival?

 

*This was taken from another post about Cole's background from the book Asunder. As Asunder is not written from a first person narrative but in the third person, it's not subjected to the "unreliable narrator" which would perhaps cause you to question it. 

 

  • Cole is from a very poor farming family. Cole's father was abusive and extremely anti-mage. Cole was a mage and it is implied his mother was one too, or carried the "gene" for it. Note that Cole was never trained to use spells.
  • Cole's father had murdered Cole's mother because of being a mage (or carrying the "gene") and he intended on killing Cole as well. While hiding from his father, Cole was desperately trying to keep his younger sister quiet to protect where they were hiding. While covering her mouth to keep her from making any noise, he accidently smothered her to death. Eventually, either his father found Cole, or Cole left the hiding spot to confront his father. Using his
    mother's dagger, he killed his father and made sure his father saw it was Cole that killed him and that he would never hurt anyone again. This traumatic event happened to Cole around the age of 12 and is revealed in the book while Cole is in the Fade.

Of course, if you believe that killing your abusive, murdering father and accidentally smothering your sister as a scared child of 12 years old means that you deserved to starve to death in the dark, then I hope you don't find yourself in a position of power presiding over such matters.

 

I would have preferred for him to be taken in and treated like a human being. It would seem better, given your views, that all mages be killed upon discovery, seeing as though no matter what they do, even the most controlled, kind hearted mage can cause the world to implode on a whim. Why not save all of Thedas from the time and money used to keep circles, train templars and monitor magic than to just kill them outright? Is it because, without some serious backing (thousands dying in blood magic rituals, ancient cryptic artifacts of power held by gods etc.) that mages actually aren't that powerful in and of themselves? Or that, like most people, the large percentage have no wish to become gods and just want as normal a life as possible? Or that most mages, with the proper instruction, can control their magic and resist possession, making them productive members of society? 



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*This was taken from another post about Cole's background from the book Asunder. As Asunder is not written from a first person narrative but in the third person, it's not subjected to the "unreliable narrator" which would perhaps cause you to question it


What I question is taking a possibly frabicated memory from a demon while with the Fade. And note the mage who witnessed this was already influenced by said demon prior.

So ultimately I see little definitive proof regarding that the demon in question was actually doing much more then lying in a realm where what you "see" isn't real to begin with.

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What I question is taking a possibly frabicated memory from a demon while with the Fade. And note the mage who witnessed this was already influenced by said demon prior.

So ultimately I see little definitive proof regarding that the demon in question was actually doing much more then lying in a realm where what you "see" isn't real to begin with.

 

So let me get this straight, what your saying is Cole is a demon, who has crafted an elaborate backstory for sympathy? Even though he says it to the Lord Seeker Lambert, who he has no reason to say anything to as no-one was around and he was going to kill him anyway. Why? Just to hear his own voice? Because he loves elaborate backstories? 



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It's also worth noting that even in DA2, after he's mellowed considerably, Cullen still believes calling for the Right was justified in Ferelden.

 

He believes it was justified because the Circle's predicament was much more dire than in Kirkwall, but that it also ended up being unnecessary.



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So let me get this straight, what your saying is Cole is a demon, who has crafted an elaborate backstory for sympathy?


...There have been odder things in dragon age.
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...There have been odder things in dragon age.

 

Ha! Well I can't argue with that. 



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I know that Solas said that Cole hasn't possessed anyone before, but spirits do not enter just like that, the white spire is definitely a place too guarded to have a leak, however he could have entered via the mage's mind like with Wynne and then changed his behaviour like with Anders.

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the white spire is definitely a place too guarded to have a leak,

 

I really don't think it is.



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The World of Thedas Volume 2 explains what happened to Cole.

He was misfiled as "wanted murderer" rather than "new mage under investigation". Murderers have restricted account hence why people forgot about him and he starved to death.

However, the book remarks that had his papers been properly processed, his case would have been looked over and, most likely, his father's death would have been deemed self defence and he would have been permitted to join the other mages.

 



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He believes it was justified because the Circle's predicament was much more dire than in Kirkwall, but that it also ended up being unnecessary.

 

Only because the Warden who is a demigod, walked in.

And that is hardly an exageration. In one playthrough, he or she can kill Mythal, Urthemiel and Gaxkang.
 


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He believes it was justified because the Circle's predicament was much more dire than in Kirkwall, but that it also ended up being unnecessary.



Yes. And some fans still despise him and think he is a vicious monster because of that. Sort of my point here. Templars are not evil mage hating jerks. Plenty of good reasons to like them. I'm not sure what you're arguing about honestly.

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Yes. And some fans still despise him and think he is a vicious monster because of that. Sort of my point here. Templars are not evil mage hating jerks. Plenty of good reasons to like them. I'm not sure what you're arguing about honestly.

 

Well he's not a fan of Seekers, Templars, The Chantry, the Circle or anything Southern Thedas truthfully.



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Oh, I know that. :P

But he's just nitpicking my word choices here.

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Oh, I know that. :P

But he's just nitpicking my word choices here.

 

He does do that.



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Doesn't Cullen think of mages as weapons and not people? 



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Doesn't Cullen think of mages as weapons and not people? 

 

Aren't they weapons and not people?

 

:o



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Aren't they weapons and not people?

 

:o

 

They have feelings and emotions. They have basic wants and needs. They bleed when they are cut. They feel pain when they are hurt. Kinda like everyone else. And Cullen disregards all that, which tends to incense fans into despising him.



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Doesn't Cullen think of mages as weapons and not people?


Lol, have you played DAI?
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He thinks of them as people with the ability to cause large scale destruction, even when they don't necessarily want to (See: Connor) and thus different from other people who have to work for it.

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Lol, have you played DAI?

 

He turned into such a *****!

 

:(



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Because of lazy writing and Bioware's insistence on demonizing anything with pointy ears.



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Because of lazy writing and Bioware's insistence on demonizing anything with pointy ears.


Maybe they never intended for elves to be a purely innocent race?

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Yes. And some fans still despise him and think he is a vicious monster because of that. Sort of my point here. Templars are not evil mage hating jerks. Plenty of good reasons to like them. I'm not sure what you're arguing about honestly.

 

Uh, I suppose things that imply a dichotomy where I don't it exists.

 

 

Well he's not a fan of Seekers, Templars, The Chantry, the Circle or anything Southern Thedas truthfully.

 

Well, you hit 1.5 out of 5 at least.



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Maybe they never intended for elves to be a purely innocent race?

 

That's a fan position really more then anything.


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Maybe they never intended for elves to be a purely innocent race?

Wait. You mean we weren't supposed to think Elves were paragons of virtue when they opened the Dalish origin with our friend attempting to commit a racially motivated hate crime?

Surely, you must be mistaken. ;)

The Baconer,

I was responding to Jedi who said that he couldn't justify siding with the Templars in previous games. I wasnt suggesting that one had to always kill mages or support them. Only that the Templars are cool, and people generally only focus on the bad despite being given many reasons to agree with their harsher aspects.
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