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[Dai Grepher]

That doesn't imply blood magic, there are no bodies or blood, there is no evidence of blood magic.

Some Fiona's defender tried to tell us that in the Hissing Wastes there is a codex that tell the mages have been brainwashed, but no one seemed to remember where this codex is located

 

The castle's staff are confused, which shows that something was done to their minds. The lack of bodies and blood could be because the staff was made to clean up and dispose of the evidence, then forget that they had via blood magic. Also, the blood magic in Origins involved using one's own blood. So the Venatori may not have used others to power their spells. It could have all come from the blood mages themselves. Also, Krem reports that they found a ritual being held if Leliana's suggestion is taken. So what else could that be except blood magic?

 

I think I know the one they're talking about. It's in regards to the occularum. The author of the codex writes that he observed some mages summoning demons (I think with blood magic) and then brutally murdering some tranquil to make the skulls of the occularum. He states that his hopes are that the murderers are brainwashed or controlled by blood magic to do those heinous acts because he's horrified by the thought that any sane person could do that to someone else. This isn't evidence that they were mind controlled, just the author's hope that they were.

 

Also, I think I found this codex in the Western Approach, not the Hissing Wastes.

[Dai Grepher]

I wonder what happened to all the child Mages that were in Redcliffe. You think the Venatori shipped them off to Tevinter or perhaps used them for blood magic. I mean, we see what they did with all the Tranquil. How the frig did that house just sit there in Redcliffe, filled with friggin skulls. WTH? Did no-one wonder what the big cart full of skulls was for when it came in? Or did they kill the Tranquil in that hut? People just saw them go in but never come back out and didn't think it was a bit odd? 

 

I think the children exist off-screen. And as for their storyline explanation, I think they were indeed sent to Tevinter to be slaves. Perhaps the good Tevinters will send them back, seeing as how Alexius was denounced by the Magisterium and the Venatori were not acting in any official capacity. Even so, Tevinter would still need to get the children back from the Venatori somehow. Their best hope is that Calpernia was the one who was put in charge of them. In that case they may have turned out all right. Lennea, the disgruntled mage in the tavern, can later be seen in one of the crystal visions of Calpernia that Leliana investigates. Calpernia treats her well. And if she is in Calpernia's charge, then the children might be as well.

 

The house was locked, wasn't it? I'm sure they covered the skulls up when they shipped them. They didn't kill tranquil in the hut. In order to make an occularum, a demon must be summoned, it must attack the tranquil (which causes the tranquil to regain their emotions), and then at the height of the now ex-tranquil's fright and horror, the ex-tranquil is quickly murdered. What's more is that this must take place in proximity to any shards. Which means, if there are no shards around, then the skull is useless.

 

So, maybe the skulls that were in the hut were useless, and were being kept for some other reason. Or maybe they were functional, but still had to be set up in various locations elsewhere.

[Dai Grepher]

Why was Gaspard the finest military mind in Orlais actually deadlocked with Celene militarily when he so handily outplayed her on the battlefield previously?

 

DAI is filled with odd lines of logic.

 

Because Celene had most of the nobility on her side, as well as the law. And Gaspard may have been great at strategy on the battlefield, but wars aren't won only through battle. Espionage, sabotage, propaganda, misinformation, betrayal, wealth, etc. It's all part of it, and those are the areas in which Celene excelled.
 

[TK514]

The castle's staff are confused, which shows that something was done to their minds. The lack of bodies and blood could be because the staff was made to clean up and dispose of the evidence, then forget that they had via blood magic. Also, the blood magic in Origins involved using one's own blood. So the Venatori may not have used others to power their spells. It could have all come from the blood mages themselves. Also, Krem reports that they found a ritual being held if Leliana's suggestion is taken. So what else could that be except blood magic?

 

I think I know the one they're talking about. It's in regards to the occularum. The author of the codex writes that he observed some mages summoning demons (I think with blood magic) and then brutally murdering some tranquil to make the skulls of the occularum. He states that his hopes are that the murderers are brainwashed or controlled by blood magic to do those heinous acts because he's horrified by the thought that any sane person could do that to someone else. This isn't evidence that they were mind controlled, just the author's hope that they were.

 

Also, I think I found this codex in the Western Approach, not the Hissing Wastes.

 

That's a whole lot of headcanon and zero actual evidence.

[Dai Grepher]

Appealing to Fiona's sense of strategic self-preservation, after she spent most of her political careeer lacking any, is rather ignorring precedent- especially since going along with Alexius's Recliffe Coup was the even bigger strategic suicide than attacking the Inquisition. The Inquisition, at least, is (at the time) a minor power with a reachable central foothold that can (and is) easily overrun. Attacking before a hypothetically hostile Inquistion/Templar alliance can gather its forces to attack the mages actually makes strategic sense.

 

Actually, it makes more strategic sense than any of Fiona's other strategic decisions across her career as Mage leader. Which is why it certainly wasn't her calling the shots.

 

Why would it dispell such a belief?

 

Haven's a much better site to gather forces for an attack on Redcliffe than Theirinfall. It's also a great place to shut the Breach, which is the Inquisition's stated goal. The Templars going to Haven doesn't imply they don't care about Redcliffe one way or the other- for paranoid mages, it could just as well be the Templars upholding their end of a bargain (sealing the Breach) in return for the Inquisition siding with them. Which would justify pre-emptively attacking Haven.

 

I'm not appealing to anything except her own words. In the mages path, she shouts at Alexius that he cannot involve her people in this. She clearly does have a line she will not cross.

 

Fiona was under the impression that Alexius forcing Art Teagan out was only temporary. That the mages would leave and that would be the end of the conflict. Arl Teagan's ride to the capital meant that there would be a deadline for their departure. So Fiona wasn't too broken up by that. Her explanation to Anora (and/or Alistair) was that she never intended for that to happen. But ultimately that was out of her hands. She couldn't refuse Alexius at that point. That was not her strategy. Alexius is the one who forced Teagan out. I doubt Fiona agreed with that.

 

Haven was not easily overrun. Aside from having a frozen tundra separating it from any danger, it was also a well fortified and defended camp. A few trebuchets repelled an entire army, because the terrain favored the defenders. The only reason Corypheus' forces got through is because his red-lyrium dragon took down most of the defenses and laid waste to the inner campsite.

 

If attacking the Inquisition made sense, then they would have done it before the Herald returned to Haven. Heck, while the Herald was at Theirinfall even. But no, they waited until after the Inquisition gathered the templars and returned to their base. There was no sense in the free mages attacking. The only sense it made was for Corypheus.

 

No, because the mages would have left Redcliffe before the Inquisition returned from Theirinfall. Remember, the Ferelden crown forced the mages out of Redcliffe if the Herald takes the templar path. So the mages had already started heading north. If the Inquisition was really going to attack the mages, they would have camped at Redcliffe, brought in forces from Haven, and then followed the mages north. But they didn't do this. Instead they went straight back to Haven and then closed the breach, just as they said they would. So the mages had no reason to think the Inquisition would attack them. Fiona had no reason to think this.

 

Nothing justifies mages trying to attack templars. Mages are weak against templars. Their best strategy at that point would have been to fall back to Tevinter's borders and let the Separati take the templars. And again, this would all take place in Ferelden, which would of course make enemies out of them as well. Bad strategy for the mages, not so much for Corypheus, although he played a foolish hand in his own way. But the point is, Fiona would not have gone along with that willingly. Alexius was ousted, and Fiona could then see the truth. She was never working with Tevinter, just some cult that was commandeering her movement.

[Dai Grepher]

I was disappointed with both Fiona and the mages in general. As rebellions go, theirs was pretty lame, and to run like scared sheep into the arms of Tevinter? Pulleeeeze, give me a break. Rebelling from slavery only to become slaves again - stupid! How did that make sense? Fiona was certainly no Moses leading her flock to the promised land. She led them right back into the trap they'd just escaped. So when Vivienne says that her dementia is showing? I have to agree.

 

Even as a mage, I court the Templars because the mages are just disorganized whiny crybabies who stand around and do nothing after pointing their staffs at the Breach to close it. They are a poor set of allies who do little or nothing for you while the Templars are out there building goodwill and taking down demons, one village at a time.

 

Plus the Templars put up a much harder fight in Haven, the mages are easy to beat in comparison. Finally, Samson's story arc just makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. How does a washed-up Lyrium demented junkie end up commanding the army and doing it well. Everyone else seems to lose brain power as the red stuff eats them up - not Samson. Didn't make sense.

 

Finally, we have no closure with Alistair and his mother. Like Jon never learning who his mother was - what a let-down.

 

And yes, I guess I am ranting - I was very disappointed in the direction the writers took the mages.

 

You're right. But I think Fiona saw it as the mages working toward citizenship in a country that would protect them. She saw it as the only option. She was foolish. She only knew how to lead the mages to freedom. She didn't know how to maintain it or how to survive without the Circles to cater to their needs. Even after the Circles, she needed the aid of Ferelden to survive.

 

Same here. My male human mage reached out to the mages first, but Fiona was too dumb and Alexius was clearly not to be trusted. So with info that Ferelden was heading in to fix their own mess, my mage went for the templars. That's a good point about the templars. They do seem to have more chore table missions where they help out and expand influence.

 

I think Samson may have been controlled through the red lyrium. It's just that it was always kept in check by other magical means. So it empowered him and spoke to him, but it did not take him over physically. I haven't played this path yet in its entirety however, so I can't be sure. It also could have been his specialized armor.

 

I didn't expect anything with Alistair and Fiona, and not just because Alistair's a drunk and Fiona is dead in my world state either. I figured there would be nothing at all in any world state. Alistair is under the impression that his mother was human, and that his half-sister is Goldanna. He is unlikely to ever think otherwise, even if otherwise could be proven somehow. Fiona is also unlikely to try and prove otherwise.

 

The mage arc is terrible in almost every way.

[Dai Grepher]

That's a whole lot of headcanon and zero actual evidence.

 

Which claim do you want evidence for? I cited the chore table mission of "Investigate Redcliffe Castle" for the first one.

 

The second claim is about a codex I remember reading. One that does not confirm that the mages were being controlled with blood magic. So I'm not sure why you have a problem with that one. Do you think the mages were being controlled by blood magic?

 

EDIT: I found this one, are it was from the Hissing Wastes. It's under the codex "A Worn Diary". It doesn't mention anything about the mages possibly being under blood magic, but it does mention that the author was afraid of any who would kill others without thinking anything of it.

 

So either those who were referring to this "mind-control" note misunderstood this codex, or they are referring to a different codex. Personally, I don't remember any such codex.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Firstly, on the Dark Future Fiona likely turned on Alexius because she saw him killing the Inquisitor after showing that he was not just another Tevinter but a cultist that also had something to do with the dude who killed the Divine.

Second, Corypheus being on the assault doesn't mean every world saw him, at most they saw the Dragon

 

Okay, but Fiona would have seen the same thing after Alexius was ousted by Calpernia then.

 

Fiona would have seen the dragon at Haven as well. Why would she willingly attack the Herald at the last trebuchet instead of hang back and then try to ally with him after he killed all the evil Venatori cultists? That was her chance to side with the Inquisition and get back at the Venatori for what they had done to the free mages. But she didn't. Why?

[The Oracle]

Maybe Fiona was given an ultimatum? Either they sent her to kill the Herald, or a few of her younger charges. It's the only real reasoning I can think of, that the lives of the people she was meant to protect were then used against her. I just can't get my head around her doing it full willingly. Nor do I think she was influenced by Blood Magic. TBH, i thought she was a strange one to choose as the boss at all, given that Alexius could have been used just as easily.

[Boost32]

The castle's staff are confused, which shows that something was done to their minds. The lack of bodies and blood could be because the staff was made to clean up and dispose of the evidence, then forget that they had via blood magic. Also, the blood magic in Origins involved using one's own blood. So the Venatori may not have used others to power their spells. It could have all come from the blood mages themselves. Also, Krem reports that they found a ritual being held if Leliana's suggestion is taken. So what else could that be except blood magic?
 
I think I know the one they're talking about. It's in regards to the occularum. The author of the codex writes that he observed some mages summoning demons (I think with blood magic) and then brutally murdering some tranquil to make the skulls of the occularum. He states that his hopes are that the murderers are brainwashed or controlled by blood magic to do those heinous acts because he's horrified by the thought that any sane person could do that to someone else. This isn't evidence that they were mind controlled, just the author's hope that they were.
 
Also, I think I found this codex in the Western Approach, not the Hissing Wastes.

So what? Where is the refutable evidence that it was blood magic?
The magic ritual involved only Venatories, there are no mention of what kind of magic they were using. There is a big leap of logic here, "if they were doing a magic ritual, it was blood magic".

To control someone Erimond had to use a all blood of a Warden, why do you think they would need only the blood of the blood mage to control someone?

Anyway, it has already been discussed to death, no one can prove that Fiona was brainwashed.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm not appealing to anything except her own words. In the mages path, she shouts at Alexius that he cannot involve her people in this. She clearly does have a line she will not cross.

 

Except he can, and she does- just as she's crossed numerous other lines she's drawn in the sand, which by your previous argument she wouldn't have because it would have been stupid to do so. But she made them too.

 

 

 

 

Fiona was under the impression that Alexius forcing Art Teagan out was only temporary. That the mages would leave and that would be the end of the conflict. Arl Teagan's ride to the capital meant that there would be a deadline for their departure. So Fiona wasn't too broken up by that. Her explanation to Anora (and/or Alistair) was that she never intended for that to happen. But ultimately that was out of her hands. She couldn't refuse Alexius at that point. That was not her strategy. Alexius is the one who forced Teagan out. I doubt Fiona agreed with that.

 

 

This is a great argument for why Fiona is a gullible dupe who wasn't in control- but not why she wouldn't go along with an allegedly monumentally stupid course of action when she already wasn't in control. Especially considering you've just spent the paragraph trying to defend her taking a monumentally stupid course of action, and conceding that she wasn't in control.

 

 

Haven was not easily overrun. Aside from having a frozen tundra separating it from any danger, it was also a well fortified and defended camp. A few trebuchets repelled an entire army, because the terrain favored the defenders. The only reason Corypheus' forces got through is because his red-lyrium dragon took down most of the defenses and laid waste to the inner campsite.

 

 

Haven was overrun in something like a single evening, which by the standards of Dragon Age era siege warfare is amazingly quick. Even Adamant had to be put to siege before it could be stormed. A few trebuchets managed to set off an avalanche, which helped... for maybe half an hour, before- as you concede- Corypheus squashed the defenses with something the Inquisition had no ability to resist.

 

That an avalanche caused significant casualties to an uncaring master doesn't really change that Haven got overrun in short order.
 

 

If attacking the Inquisition made sense, then they would have done it before the Herald returned to Haven. Heck, while the Herald was at Theirinfall even. But no, they waited until after the Inquisition gathered the templars and returned to their base. There was no sense in the free mages attacking. The only sense it made was for Corypheus.

 

 

 

If we ignore reasons why the Mages might not be mobilized to attack the Inquisition pre-Templar alliance, such as there not being a Templar alliance to justify pre-empting, what you say might make sense.

 

If we don't do that, your protestations of not having any reason, when reasons have already been provided, falls short.

 

 

No, because the mages would have left Redcliffe before the Inquisition returned from Theirinfall. Remember, the Ferelden crown forced the mages out of Redcliffe if the Herald takes the templar path. So the mages had already started heading north. If the Inquisition was really going to attack the mages, they would have camped at Redcliffe, brought in forces from Haven, and then followed the mages north. But they didn't do this. Instead they went straight back to Haven and then closed the breach, just as they said they would. So the mages had no reason to think the Inquisition would attack them. Fiona had no reason to think this.

 

 

You make assumptions of the timeline not justified on the non-existent timeline of events. Theirinfall is on the far side of Ferelden. Redcliffe is not. It takes considerably longer for the Inquisition to return from Theirinfall than it takes for the mages to muster from Redcliffe. There is no reason to believe the mages begin marching from Redcliffe to Haven before the Inquisition even finished returning from Theirinfall.

 

 

Nor do you provide a convincing argument of 'would' as a substitute for 'needs to' or invalidates other campaign strategies, or provide any answer for why the Templars wouldn't be willing to address the Breach first as part of any anti-Mage Inquisition-Templar alliance. You claim that because the Templars didn't make the Mages the absolute priority in a particular marching order and lay siege to a Ferelden town immediately from across the country rather than stage from Haven- well, somehow this lack of making the Mages priority number one is somehow proof that the Mages couldn't be priority number two in turn- even though letting the Mages be priority two could bolster the Templars by having them gain political support in their campaign after, you know, saving the world first.

 

The fact that Fiona doesn't have control of her own information sources- so much so that she hilariously thought she had to sell her people into slavery to mages in order to save them from a non-existent anti-magic army thanks to a whisper campaign by her master even before he was her master- is also completely ignored.

 

 

Nothing justifies mages trying to attack templars. Mages are weak against templars. Their best strategy at that point would have been to fall back to Tevinter's borders and let the Separati take the templars. And again, this would all take place in Ferelden, which would of course make enemies out of them as well. Bad strategy for the mages, not so much for Corypheus, although he played a foolish hand in his own way. But the point is, Fiona would not have gone along with that willingly. Alexius was ousted, and Fiona could then see the truth. She was never working with Tevinter, just some cult that was commandeering her movement.

 

 

 

Mages aren't attacking Templars for no reason. Mages are attacking the Inquisition, who is in the middle of consolidating an alliance with Templars, and who is in a position to interfere with any hypothetical retreat to Tevinter.

 

The Mages already had abysmal strategy, and had already made enemies of Ferelden-  back when Fiona stood by and allowed the Arl to be ousted. Being ousted by what she thought was a foreign power doesn't make it any smarter, or any wiser, when Tevinter has no means to reach or extract the mages even if they wanted to.

 

Fiona is an incompetent revolutionary, and has been from the start- she's spurned alliances, betrayed willing allies, failed to prepare, and couldn't even keep control of the mage rebellion even before she ousted herself. Under her leadership maleficars were running rampant right outside her gates, and the Mage Collective decided to leave her behind while the Adults talked politics at the Conclave rather than take her along.

[Andromelek]

Okay, but Fiona would have seen the same thing after Alexius was ousted by Calpernia then.
 
Fiona would have seen the dragon at Haven as well. Why would she willingly attack the Herald at the last trebuchet instead of hang back and then try to ally with him after he killed all the evil Venatori cultists? That was her chance to side with the Inquisition and get back at the Venatori for what they had done to the free mages. But she didn't. Why?

1-There is no evidence that Alexius was double crossed on Fiona's face, right? She only would grow suspicious after not finding him once the battle was won.

2-Easy, most of people like to please their bosses to get a promotion, killing a headache for the Venatori before a Dragon could had to worth something.

[Sifr]

Some Fiona's defender tried to tell us that in the Hissing Wastes there is a codex that tell the mages have been brainwashed, but no one seemed to remember where this codex is located

 

You mean the Blood-Spotted Venatori Diary?

 

The record of a Venatori mage who grew envious at the power that the Elder One and what his fellow Venatori were getting through dabbling with blood magic and spirit binding, leading to him getting seduced and taken over by a Pride Demon?

 

Spoiler

The entries in this diary alternate between an elegant, well script and a slanted scrawl;

 

I never expected to find such tranquility here. No nattering crowds, no drifts of refuse. I should have been born in the country. I am only disappointed to learn I am here to verify translations - a drudge's work. But in the evenings, there is time for my own studies without distraction or fear of being branded "apostate" for my reading.

 

It is time to rise to my capabilities.

 

---

 

The Elder One has bound spirits far beyond what I thought a mage could manage. We speak of Him becoming a god, but sure He cannot be considered mortal any longer.

 

What steps must a man take to become such a being?

 

It is an excellent question. To bask in His glory must be enough... and yet, I cannot let the curiosity go.

 

---

 

Does the Elder One take power from demons? I've learned much about their summoning and binding. I was surprised to learn so many I recognised from the Circle among the Venatori, but they talk freely of rites and rituals forbidden in the Imperium.

 

They offer so much power, for so little blood.

 

But I must not rush. Tempting as it is.

 

For have I know grown in skill and measure?

 

I cannot draw attention to myself. We will leave after we unearth these dwarven relics, not stay to practice binding the Fade's denizens to our will.

 

Even though it would be so easy here, in a place where the Veil has grown so thin.

 

---

 

I am tired of this fear. Fear of harm I may do to myself. Fear of letting opportunity slip from me.

 

I must leave it behind me.

 

Binding a demon of higher power is dangerous...

 

Yet my skills have grown.

 

But what else will show the others what I'm capable of, what I can offer! I am a mage of the Imperium and I will claim my birthright. The spirits through the Veil will see my power, and they will kneel - or I will make them!

 

Shocking isn't it, that members of a crazy cult from Tevinter would engage in extreme rituals involving blood magic and use it to perform things that are even forbidden in the Imperium... obviously they'd never use that sort of power to put the whammy on the mages at Redcliffe, why that'd be silly?!

 

[Master Warder Z_]

There is no evidence to support it, just supposition.

[EmissaryofLies]

Maybe they never intended for elves to be a purely innocent race?

 

Maybe you can find where I said that? You're welcome to keep projecting and strawmanning though.

 

There is a massive difference between not being purely innocent and what DA II and DAI did to the elves, but f*ck me for wanting there to be a bit more to their story/character!

 

LAZY. WRITING.

 

You don't like that opinion? 

 

Too god damned bad.

[Master Warder Z_]

That was funny

[Boost32]

You mean the Blood-Spotted Venatori Diary?
 
The record of a Venatori mage who grew envious at the power that the Elder One and what his fellow Venatori were getting through dabbling with blood magic and spirit binding, leading to him getting seduced and taken over by a Pride Demon?
 

Spoiler

The entries in this diary alternate between an elegant, well script and a slanted scrawl;
 
I never expected to find such tranquility here. No nattering crowds, no drifts of refuse. I should have been born in the country. I am only disappointed to learn I am here to verify translations - a drudge's work. But in the evenings, there is time for my own studies without distraction or fear of being branded "apostate" for my reading.
 
It is time to rise to my capabilities.
 
---
 
The Elder One has bound spirits far beyond what I thought a mage could manage. We speak of Him becoming a god, but sure He cannot be considered mortal any longer.
 
What steps must a man take to become such a being?
 
It is an excellent question. To bask in His glory must be enough... and yet, I cannot let the curiosity go.
 
---
 
Does the Elder One take power from demons? I've learned much about their summoning and binding. I was surprised to learn so many I recognised from the Circle among the Venatori, but they talk freely of rites and rituals forbidden in the Imperium.
 
They offer so much power, for so little blood.
 
But I must not rush. Tempting as it is.
 
For have I know grown in skill and measure?
 
I cannot draw attention to myself. We will leave after we unearth these dwarven relics, not stay to practice binding the Fade's denizens to our will.
 
Even though it would be so easy here, in a place where the Veil has grown so thin.
 
---
 
I am tired of this fear. Fear of harm I may do to myself. Fear of letting opportunity slip from me.
 
I must leave it behind me.
 
Binding a demon of higher power is dangerous...
 
Yet my skills have grown.
 
But what else will show the others what I'm capable of, what I can offer! I am a mage of the Imperium and I will claim my birthright. The spirits through the Veil will see my power, and they will kneel - or I will make them!

 
Shocking isn't it, that members of a crazy cult from Tevinter would engage in extreme rituals involving blood magic and use it to perform things that are even forbidden in the Imperium... obviously they'd never use that sort of power to put the whammy on the mages at Redcliffe, why that'd be silly?!
 

Nope.
They said the codex tell that the mages where brainwashed and it could be only found in the templar side.

[Sifr]

There is no evidence to support it, just supposition.

 

True, there is no smoking gun and it's all circumstantial, but it does seem pretty damning when you look at it.

 

That people find it out-of-character for a crazy cult of blood mages to blood magic to control people, when they've used similar tactics to leash the Wardens, Red Templars and Spirits into becoming their willing slaves, strikes me as rather daft.

 

Nope.
They said the codex tell that the mages where brainwashed and it could be only found in the templar side.

 

There is a codex in the Hissing Wastes that changes depending on what side you picked (Draft of Letter to Venatori Magisters), but it's doesn't mention brainwashing anywhere in it. The codex I mentioned previously was the only one that mentions and confirms that blood magic use and a bunch of forbidden rituals are common among the Venatori ranks.

[Boost32]

There is a codex in the Hissing Wastes that changes depending on what side you picked (Draft of Letter to Venatori Magisters), but it's doesn't mention brainwashing anywhere in it. The codex I mentioned previously was the only one that mentions and confirms that blood magic use and a bunch of forbidden rituals are common among the Venatori ranks.

Its why we call it the imaginary codex.

Yes, I already know the Venatori can use blood magic, still there is no evidence of them using it on the mages (and how much blood they would need to enslave thousands of mages? I doubt they could hide the corpses of their victims).

[Master Warder Z_]

True, there is no smoking gun and it's all circumstantial, but it does seem pretty damning when you look at it

Again, not really.

There's literally nothing holding up that opinion.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Maybe you can find where I said that? You're welcome to keep projecting and strawmanning though.

There is a massive difference between not being purely innocent and what DA II and DAI did to the elves, but f*ck me for wanting there to be a bit more to their story/character!

LAZY. WRITING.

You don't like that opinion?


Too god damned bad.

Lol.

Chill out before you give yourself a belly ache.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lol.

Chill out before you give yourself a belly ache.

Always so maternal boom

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Always so maternal boom

You know it!

Oh! I just saw a shooting star!

[Sifr]

Its why we call it the imaginary codex.

Yes, I already know the Venatori can use blood magic, still there is no evidence of them using it on the mages (and how much blood they would need to enslave thousands of mages? I doubt they could hide the corpses of their victims).

 

So... some of those people being mistaken about that particular codex makes the entire argument invalid? That's the same kind of reasoning that would lead someone to believe that just because ancient mathematicians calculated the diameter of the Earth incorrectly, then the theory on the Earth being round should be completely debunked as well, because they got certain facts wrong.

 

Yes, but I doubt that blood mages typically announce that they use blood magic on people to mindscrew them into doing what they want. Furthermore, we don't know how much blood is necessarily required to dominate someone's mind or whether the effects are temporary or permanent?

 

It could be that they used the blood of those enthralled to further dominate others and thus provide an exponential source of blood for their needs, those who refused to join and were deemed expendable were drained to provide the necessary fuel for the ritual, or even the Tranquil were used to fuel some of it, since killing them for just their skulls would be a major waste, when they might as well get their money's worth?

 

That Redcliffe's dungeons are massive and have a lot of space for bodies, as we saw in the Dark Future, could explain where the corpses ended up. Or they disposed of them in the large lake that's right on their doorstep... or even dumped them along the road to-and-fro from Redcliffe, which already has bodies pilling up along it anywhere so no-one would ever notice.

 

Supposition and speculation again, but still plausible an explanation from what little we do have.

 

Again, not really.

There's literally nothing holding up that opinion.

 

Except for all the clues that something clearly was going on in Redcliffe that was out of the ordinary.

 

When you're dealing with a cult that serve a darkspawn magister, have or planned to use various means to take corrupt or control other factions and are prepared to punch a hole in reality and time... is really anything off the table anymore?

[Master Warder Z_]

Speculation, speculation, speculation.

Opinion does not equate evidence nor dev commentary.