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[Barquiel]

So, because you're a genocidal, traitorous lunatic my greatness is in question? "Charging headfirst into the geth fleet" when said fleet is rendered completely harmless by your genius is hardly a cause for concern, no? (provided you aren't betrayed to the enemy by treacherous humans and geth sympathizers).

By that logic, Tevos is a mere footnote in asari history in my playthrough, as the Councilor whose ignorance ensured human usurpation of the Citadel Council after 2000+ years of relatively stable co-leadership. Hardly fair, no?

Is it my fault that Gerral is only willing to listen to the magical blue/red button and stops attacking the Geth? I don't think so. We have Gerrel who doesn't listen, Tali/Raan who are not sharing intel and Xen who obviously doesn't care.

Wanting hard evidence that the Reapers exist instead of out right believing a woman who saw them in a vision and claims that a single dreadnought is proof of a massive invasion force sitting on the edge of the galaxy =/ ignorance. You have 5s of poor quality out-of-context footage that, for all we know, might have been taken from a prothean Independence Day or something.

[dreamgazer]

Anyway, Inquisition is great.

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Clearly impossible, Kaiser.

[Cyonan]

Sure, no problem with that.

 

You see - I am a tolerant person when the discussions stays on the topic. When a person decides to 'protect' the unfinished, unshaped, utterly broken product it's all his right. Just as it's my right to dislike such a person. 

 

And please notice I'm gentle with him, even if hate the attitude.

 

I'm not protecting Inquisition. I'm saying that A. Mass Effect has just as much lore breaking and silly writing and B. Almost all games have cut content(even Mass Effect). If you don't want them to show you cool stuff and then have it not be in the final game, then we wont be getting much info on ME:A until they're 100% certain that what they're showing will be in the game.

 

Keep in mind I said that it was better to hold off showing stuff until you were 100% certain about it being in the game. If you want to call any game that cuts content as being unfinished, then your problem goes way beyond just Dragon Age or Mass Effect and that is an entirely different topic.

 

and if you didn't want us bringing up Inquisition, then you shouldn't have made half your OP about it.

[AlanC9]

Wanting hard evidence that the Reapers exist instead of out right believing a woman who saw them in a vision and claims that a single dreadnought is proof of a massive invasion force sitting on the edge of the galaxy =/ ignorance. You have 5s of poor quality out-of-context footage that, for all we know, might have been taken from a prothean Independence Day or something.

Well, except that the Conduit and the return of the Reapers are both discussed in an audio clip which the Council believes is genuine enough to strip Saren of his Spectre status.

[Quarian Master Race]

Is it my fault that Gerral is only willing to listen to the magical blue/red button and stops attacking the Geth? I don't think so. We have Gerrel who doesn't listen, Tali/Raan who are not sharing intel and Xen who obviously doesn't care.

Wanting hard evidence that the Reapers exist instead of out right believing a woman who saw them in a vision and claims that a single dreadnought is proof of a massive invasion force sitting on the edge of the galaxy =/ ignorance. You have 5s of poor quality out-of-context footage that, for all we know, might have been taken from a prothean Independence Day or something.

You're failing to separate game mechanics and narrative. As an ally of the quarians (which you would be up to that point, it is impossible not to accept their help and help them in return) it would also be your duty to relay such information as that of the Reaper upgrades even when Tali/Raan goes full retard. The only difference between ceasefire and genocide is you bothering to do so (Gerrel listens just fine), so yes any Shepard that allows the Master Race to go down fighting is an intentionally genocidal traitor who is willing to sacrifice potentially the single most useful war asset there is because of personal grievances, or a blithering idiot who simply forgets to relay basic information. Don't blame me, blame the person who designed the persuasion mechanic and that contrived scene, or own your traitorous, foolish decision instead of sugar coating it and shifting blame onto illustrious individuals such as myself or Han'Gerrel (aging warship that he is).

and multiple eyewitness accounts from the crew of the Normandy, many of whom do not work for the Alliance and thus have no political motive to lie. As if that would leave any doubt, she then goes about backtracking into "ah yes, Reapers" doublethink after acknowledging their existence post battle, and will continue to call Sovereign a geth technology even if you bring a geth into the chamber to refute this. Even if you cosider this an attempt at clever, self interested politics than it fails dramatically when Reapers invade and kill billions of her constituents.

[pdusen]

Nope. Anyone who decides to derail a ME:A thread into 'protecting Inquisition' is payrolling.

This thread is a plea to to the ME:A dev team and a following discussion. You like the Inquisition? Fine, I get it. Now please follow the way back here and state again how much you like this nuisance.

 

You can't use a belief (I.E. your intense dislike for Inquisition) as the basis for your argument, and then accuse anyone who disagrees with that premise of "derailing the thread" or "payrolling" (which, by the way, isn't a thing, so stop saying it).

 

You brought it up, so suck it up and defend your position.

[Farangbaa]

So I guess if you're heartbroken, this thread is the equivalent of going on a date with a new partner, but spending the whole night talking about your ex?

This... this is genius.

[Ahglock]

I'm not protecting Inquisition. I'm saying that A. Mass Effect has just as much lore breaking and silly writing and B. Almost all games have cut content(even Mass Effect). If you don't want them to show you cool stuff and then have it not be in the final game, then we wont be getting much info on ME:A until they're 100% certain that what they're showing will be in the game.

Keep in mind I said that it was better to hold off showing stuff until you were 100% certain about it being in the game. If you want to call any game that cuts content as being unfinished, then your problem goes way beyond just Dragon Age or Mass Effect and that is an entirely different topic.

and if you didn't want us bringing up Inquisition, then you shouldn't have made half your OP about it.

hey now. Are you expecting reading comprehension skills on the Internet? It's much easier to miss the very obvious point and be an ass about it.

[N7Jamaican]

Uh oh, things are heating up.

[Quarian Master Race]

Uh oh, things are heating up.

I'll be honest, I'm not paying attention to the actual on topic discussion. Too busy spreading knowledge.

[Suketchi]

 

Debates are always better in 3D.

[Sidney]

Well, except that the Conduit and the return of the Reapers are both discussed in an audio clip which the Council believes is genuine enough to strip Saren of his Spectre status.

Well that is one where it might be true but more likely they just assume Saren has left the Galaxy of Sanity and is clearly operating against the interest of the council. They don't have to believe the the threat to believe he is a threat.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Tevos single-handedly gives you two fleets and the most powerful warship we have on our side. And she's breaking Aria's rule (canon!). She is clearly the superior character.

 

Well, ME3 showed us that Tevos is Aria's pet councilor and in my head canon I expanded that to... more. Is there any actual canon supporting a relationship between the two?

[Livi14]

Well, ME3 showed us that Tevos is Aria's pet councilor and in my head canon I expanded that to... more. Is there any actual canon supporting a relationship between the two?

There are many fanfics centered around these two to be found in the usual places, but I don't think it's hinted at in any canon source.

[Quarian Master Race]

Well, ME3 showed us that Tevos is Aria's pet councilor and in my head canon I expanded that to... more. Is there any actual canon supporting a relationship between the two?

You get the same scene with Irissa (with slightly different dialouge). I don't know how a relationship between Aria and a potentially dead councilor could be canon unless it happened before the events of the 1st game, but I could be mistaken.

[AlanC9]

The only difference between ceasefire and genocide is you bothering to do so (Gerrel listens just fine), so yes any Shepard that allows the Master Race to go down fighting is an intentionally genocidal traitor who is willing to sacrifice potentially the single most useful war asset there is because of personal grievances, or a blithering idiot who simply forgets to relay basic information. Don't blame me, blame the person who designed the persuasion mechanic

Yeah, that's the guy I blame. I guess they were trying to save wordcount -- the current system means that you only have to do successful NPC responses to a persuasion attempt.

[AlanC9]

Well that is one where it might be true but more likely they just assume Saren has left the Galaxy of Sanity and is clearly operating against the interest of the council. They don't have to believe the the threat to believe he is a threat.

So Saren and Benezia are both total nutjobs? Yeah, I guess that makes sense. But if Saren's plan revolves around Reapers that don't exiat, that doesn't exactly make him sound like a threat.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Well, except that the Conduit and the return of the Reapers are both discussed in an audio clip which the Council believes is genuine enough to strip Saren of his Spectre status.

 

So Saren and Benezia are both total nutjobs? Yeah, I guess that makes sense. But if Saren's plan revolves around Reapers that don't exiat, that doesn't exactly make him sound like a threat.

Spectres have a lot of sensible information in a case, kind that does not actually need to go public. It shouldn't be sold either, let's say, to Cerberus or any other terrorist organisation like batarian government. Do not forget that there's still a testimony over there of a dock worker, which surely started some doubts. I believe Mass Effect weapons can be traced just like the conventional guns on Earth now, so - who knows?.. A body of a fellow Spectre with a gun wound from a Saren's hand cannon is worrying to say the least. 

 

Audio track isn't a random track either. I believe it can be linked with the extracted audiochip (from a geth brain), that should be enough to believe it's genuine. 

 

Tevos (I believe it's her or the Salarian Councilor) said that Saren doesn't truly believe into the return of the Reapers, but using it to convince emotionally unstable Shepard and Benezia into operating in the way he desires. Which also makes sense.

 

And here we go about 'reading skills'. Yes.

[Joseph Warrick]

This sort of over the top over attachment is the reason Something Awful laughs at this forum.

 

You sir. You are a blight.

[Cyonan]

So Saren and Benezia are both total nutjobs? Yeah, I guess that makes sense. But if Saren's plan revolves around Reapers that don't exiat, that doesn't exactly make him sound like a threat.

 

Well the council played it off like the Reapers weren't real but rather made up by Saren so he could get the Geth on his side to attack the Citadel. The Geth were the threat rather than the Reapers in their minds.

 

Of course, when space Jesus defeats the giant ship that makes a mockery of your fleets and claims there is whole invasion fleet worth of them that wiped out countless past galactic civilizations, you should do a little investigating into any Prothean data caches you may have.

 

Like a certain beacon hidden in a certain temple that contained a certain VI with information about a certain weapon.

[rapscallioness]

.........well, an underwater city does sound cool as hell. just sayin.

[dreamgazer]

Like a certain beacon hidden in a certain temple that contained a certain VI with information about a certain weapon.

Right, but they didn't have the cipher (or a Prothean) to activate it.

[KaiserShep]

Well, except that the Conduit and the return of the Reapers are both discussed in an audio clip which the Council believes is genuine enough to strip Saren of his Spectre status.

 

Sparatus: This evidence is irrefutable.

 

Valern: Couldn't one conceivably just fake an audio recording? What are the chances of some quarian happening to find the one geth that listened to "Saren" and this "Matriarch's" evil schemes? 

 

Tevos: But that is Benezia. I know it.

 

Valern: Do you? Without a shadow of a doubt? Enough to strip a veteran Spectre of his status without at least some effort to verify that this recording is genuine?

 

Shepard: Can we hurry this up? We're burning through our word budget. 

 

Sparatus: Shepard is right. We can't waste any more of this sequence with a needless lull in due process. I say we let the plot continue. 

 

[Tevos and Valern nod in agreement]

 

Tevos: Shepard, step forward...

[AlanC9]

Spectres have a lot of sensible information in a case, kind that does not actually need to go public. It shouldn't be sold either, let's say, to Cerberus or any other terrorist organisation like batarian government. Do not forget that there's still a testimony over there of a dock worker, which surely started some doubts. I believe Mass Effect weapons can be traced just like the conventional guns on Earth now, so - who knows?.. A body of a fellow Spectre with a gun wound from a Saren's hand cannon is worrying to say the least.

This isn't what the Council actually says in the scene, of course. But feel free to headcanon it if it keeps you liking ME1.

Tevos (I believe it's her or the Salarian Councilor) said that Saren doesn't truly believe into the return of the Reapers, but using it to convince emotionally unstable Shepard and Benezia into operating in the way he desires. Which also makes sense.

You're making up the mention of Benezia. And why would Tevos think that Benezia's emotionally unstable? More secret lore that isn't actually in the game?

[KaiserShep]

Spectres have a lot of sensible information in a case, kind that does not actually need to go public. It shouldn't be sold either, let's say, to Cerberus or any other terrorist organisation like batarian government. Do not forget that there's still a testimony over there of a dock worker, which surely started some doubts. I believe Mass Effect weapons can be traced just like the conventional guns on Earth now, so - who knows?.. A body of a fellow Spectre with a gun wound from a Saren's hand cannon is worrying to say the least. 

 

Audio track isn't a random track either. I believe it can be linked with the extracted audiochip (from a geth brain), that should be enough to believe it's genuine. 

 

Tevos (I believe it's her or the Salarian Councilor) said that Saren doesn't truly believe into the return of the Reapers, but using it to convince emotionally unstable Shepard and Benezia into operating in the way he desires. Which also makes sense.

 

And here we go about 'reading skills'. Yes.

 

Considering that the dock worker's eyewitness testimony was dismissed outright, the matter would have remained closed, had it not been for the recording, which is funny, considering that some random schlub working the docks of a peaceful colony has little reason to know who Saren is. 

 

As for tracing Mass Effect weapons, that sounds absurd. Considering what these weapons fire, there's no good reason why anyone should be able to trace whatever projectile was fired back to any specific weapon beyond its basic type. 

 

That audio chip stuff is made up, but it doesn't matter, because considering the fact that the geth remained in isolation for centuries and few people have ever really seen one until recently, few have any ability to do more than simply take the word of a random quarian.