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[Nethershadow]

I have that problem sometimes, thankfully when i'm in front of people it's easier to clarify. Whether or not people agree though is pretty irrelevant to the discussion if you ask me. 

The relevance is it shapes their response and may cause further miscommunication, so it's important they at least correctly identify that. As yours, I understand better where your coming from after reading multiple posts, it's just the way you identify some definitions that puts me off.

 

By the way, what the heck is your avatar?

 

I wouldn't call what we do speculation, I'd call it "coming up with stuff". And no, I don't suspect that BW will give a whit what we say here on the board (which is probably for the best in most cases anyway). I am not doing it to influence development, I am just doing it for the fun of it.

 

EDIT: I should clarify here: I guess when we still thought the Cerberus News thing was genuine, we might have speculated but for the last 10 pages or so not anymore, at least I would expect any of our stuff here to show up in the game just like that.

Agreed, I do it for fun as well, as it is a way to discuss Mass Effect while we are in Limbo waiting. I find these days that to many don't appreciate a good discussion on something, and instead jump the gun to how pointless it is to talk about it because of reason x, and therefore your stupid, lol. Then they go back to reading their 1 line text messages as that's all their attention span can handle.

[Nethershadow]

Its a pointless trip if its for resources, because they would never get them transported back.. If its purely for exploration the reasoning remains the same, no-one back home would ever know what you found. But what if the ARK was a space station monitoring a black hole.. Maybe sending messages and probes through... And one day receiving a message back. And perhaps the ARK isnt an actual Ark, what if its just an acronym that stands for something else.. Maybe were being too literal. Advanced Research K(Something)?

You know, I actually like the angle your going. The Ark would be much more plausible for me if it was actually designed like a mobile space station to monitor x in a part of the MW that was fairly far away from any relay or civilizations, so they would need to have a full compliment of personnel and resources to monitor, police ext. Then the Reaper event pops up and they already have the vessel, just need to upgrade it with any cutting edge stuff for it's travel.

[LinksOcarina]

The relevance is it shapes their response and may cause further miscommunication, so it's important they at least correctly identify that. As yours, I understand better where your coming from after reading multiple posts, it's just the way you identify some definitions that puts me off.

 

By the way, what the heck is your avatar?

 

 

Sorry about that then.

 

My avatar is my namesake . 

[Wazzanut]

Sort of like a " Deep Space Nine" Space station... I didnt like the show but i like the idea..  Fully self sufficient, a population, police, some military, others criminals. Finding their way into an unknown galaxy. It has potential and a set up for some great character types and interactions.

[LinksOcarina]

I always thought that was going to be our base of operations anyway, a large, citadel-like space station. Hence the concept art of the Citadel we saw.

 

[Wazzanut]

That could be an alien station we visit. Hopefully we have something more like Omega, run down, not as clean and shiny as the Citadel. Without the elite running it.. Purely miltary or a rag tag group formed from its populace, our own version of the council. We would be the underdogs.. Less advanced in tech... 

[Nethershadow]

I always thought that was going to be our base of operations anyway, a large, citadel-like space station. Hence the concept art of the Citadel we saw.

 

The big ship in the preview I am guessing is going to match up with what you just posted, and I think it looks like a cool ship / station.

 

Also, you are far to polite good sir.

[shodiswe]

That could be an alien station we visit. Hopefully we have something more like Omega, run down, not as clean and shiny as the Citadel. Without the elite running it.. Purely miltary or a rag tag group formed from its populace, our own version of the council. We would be the underdogs.. Less advanced in tech...

If we would be both less advanced and less numberous, then it's over. I would expect the colonists to be having similar level of Tech, but possibly with a slight advantage and head start to even begin to balance the over powering numbers any concievable enemy would have.

We go there and enter an armed conflict with an Alien civilisation on their home terf? that would end in a few hours or days. Unless you're still able to hold them off "somehow".

Either you create a stalemate or you hide. If you hide it will be hard to collonise or gather Resources or move around.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If we would be both less advanced and less numberous, then it's over. I would expect the colonists to be having similar level of Tech, but possibly with a slight advantage and head start to even begin to balance the over powering numbers any concievable enemy would have.

We go there and enter an armed conflict with an Alien civilisation on their home terf? that would end in a few hours or days. Unless you're still able to hold them off "somehow".

Either you create a stalemate or you hide. If you hide it will be hard to collonise or gather Resources or move around.

Or we ally with one of our new neighbors.

[Nethershadow]

Or we ally with one of our new neighbors.

Right, and anyone would ally with us because why?
Because we are inferior tech and small in number?
We have lots of resources?
We are good at groveling?

[Iakus]

Right, and anyone would ally with us because why?
Because we are inferior tech and small in number?
We have lots of resources?
We are good at groveling?

 We've got oceans, beautiful women, this emotion called love. According to the old vids, we have everything they want. 

[marcelo caldas]

Looks like this solves all the lore problems, all right. Except for the question of why nobody from the Milky Way -- whichever cycle beat the Reapers -- made it to Andromeda. But that one's simple; the standard handwave is that everyone ascended to a higher plane of existence..

Just the remanants

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Right, and anyone would ally with us because why?
Because we are inferior tech and small in number?
We have lots of resources?
We are good at groveling?

The Council races allied with us when we were inferior and smaller than them. So why wouldn't one of the Andromeda races? It can either be for pragmatic reasons, like us providing an edge against their enemies, or just because they are nice aliens who want to help the newcomers. We don't know the cultures yet so can't say. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Remember the love struck Krogan on Illum?  How about Wrex? Wrex isn't your typical Krogan. The salarian (Fargut?) on Omega when you first dock there, he seems out of it.  Garrus isn't your typical military grunt-of-a-Turian.  Matriarch Aetheyta isn't your typical matriarch (serving drinks).  Liara isn't a pole dancer on Omega..

 

I mean, just because the Lore may have something viewed one way, doesn't mean characters in that universe have to abide by it to be lore..

 

And if you're in ME1 you see Asari Commandos. In ME2 you see Asari mercs and dancers with some whiny Asari. In ME3 it's "less dancin' and more fightin' eh commander?"

 

You see the asari commando who asks you to get some codex so "their people will remember how to fight." You would think an asari commando would know about what is in the next paragraph.

 

All the while if you read the actual codex and wikia about what is going on with the different worlds the Asari are putting up a hell of a fight. They're using nukes against the reapers. But who reads anything? It's like the game Destiny. Most of the story line happens outside of the game. Only the most dedicated people will actually read the stuff. So misconceptions form and you get lore violations in game and they get away with it.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Okay, you nerds have become so caught up in arguments about scientific feasibility that you're missing the greater issue: Will there he a romanceable wormhole in ME:A?

[LinksOcarina]

The big ship in the preview I am guessing is going to match up with what you just posted, and I think it looks like a cool ship / station.

 

Also, you are far to polite good sir.

 

I appreciate the compliment but I am prone to being hotheaded at times. Also fairly aggressive too when it comes to some discussions. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Yeah, be careful with the fan-created CDN entries...

 

Not to say that their entries weren't creative, and some of them might have even made sense going by the lore.  But others?  I could give an example that sticks out in my mind, but this isn't the place for that.  Basically take any of their fan-created entries with a grain of salt.

 

Eezo creating wormholes makes a bit of sense, but I don't think that's in play with Andromeda.  More likely people either had a ship built so generations could survive the journey, or so that one generation of people was in cryogenic stasis until they arrived at their destination.

[SSV TBILISI]

the purgatory was once an ark ship.......just in case.

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Purgatory

[LinksOcarina]

the purgatory was once an ark ship.......just in case.

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Purgatory

 

You know...I just had an idea.

 

The Ark ships are going to be more than just one ship, but a whole fleet of them as roving bases of operations for the entire galaxy.

[Iakus]

You know...I just had an idea.

 

The Ark ships are going to be more than just one ship, but a whole fleet of them as roving bases of operations for the entire galaxy.

Like I said, we all become quarians 

[LinksOcarina]

Like I said, we all become quarians 

 

Tech specialists who scavenge for materials while were on a self-preserving life ship that gives us natural materials to work with?

 

Um...

[Kabooooom]

I always thought that was going to be our base of operations anyway, a large, citadel-like space station. Hence the concept art of the Citadel we saw.

This concept art always struck me as particularly odd. It is obvious that they were intending to evoke a sense of familiarity and nostalgia with it, in that it clearly reminds one of the Presidium. However, it is NOT a Stanford torus, like the Presidium. The "ground" is not perpendicular to, what I assume, would be the axis of rotation (that central beam, as the structure is clearly circular although only part of it is in view). Instead, the ground is at an angle to the presumed axis of rotation.

You know when a structure exactly like that would be required? It is a real engineering design for certain hypothetical spacecraft. A structure exactly like that would be necessary if it was both spinning about the central axis AND accelerating linearly along the axis through space. The vector sum of both forces would create a net vector at an angle to the axis of rotation. Depending on what is a larger force - the force of the acceleration or the spinning - would determine the angle that the "ground" would have to be.

And so my very first thought when I saw that concept art long ago was not "oh, this is some new Presidium". It was "oh, this is some new Presidium...AND it is a starship".

Usually, in the classic real life designs on long term habitability space stations or starships, the Stanford torus part is pretty much exactly like the Presidium. This is because our method of creating thrust right now sucks horrifically. We use initial chemical thrust, and then we use the final momentum to carry the spacecraft to the destination. With no linear acceleration, the astronauts feel no force in that direction, and so the torus design is the only way to create artificial gravity. However, IF you accelerated for the whole journey like you would need to do to reach relativistic speeds, then the design would need to be like what you see in that concept art. Fascinating, no? 500 years from now we may have a ship like that. Too bad we wont be around to see it.

Of course, all of that would only make sense if the structure did not utilize mass effect fields for artificial gravity or for movement through space. It would also only make sense if the artist paid attention to real life physics. But, considering that the art of mass effect took inspiration from actual designs of real conceptual spacecraft/stations (such as the Stanford torus), the latter seems like a logical assumption. Mass Effect has always been particularly good in that regard.

So maybe that thing is the ark, functioning as a base of operations and the means by which you got to the galaxy. It would also make more sense if it was a structure designed by the milky way species and not the Andromedans, since yes it does resemble the Presidium.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So maybe that thing is the ark, functioning as a base of operations and the means by which you got to the galaxy. It would also make more sense if it was a structure designed by the milky way species and not the Andromedans, since yes it does resemble the Presidium.

Or it was built by the Reapers, since they are the ones who built the Presidium, not the Milky Way races. 

Besides, developing something like this, especially since it would only be a part of the vessel, within three years is impossible.

[N7Jamaican]

I always thought that was going to be our base of operations anyway, a large, citadel-like space station. Hence the concept art of the Citadel we saw.

 

 

I have a feeling that is the ARK ship and that it will serve as the main hubworld similar to Omega and the Citadel.

[Kabooooom]

These design concepts are similar to what I was describing. They are Bernal Spheres or variations of that theme, and would be a required design for a ship like that.

You can see the similarity. Bernal Spheres are useful as space stations as well; however, if you are building a relativistic starship and want to create an artificial gravity of 1g but your method of acceleration is less than that, then you have to spin the ship and use a modified Bernal Sphere design.

The main difference between a Bernal Sphere used as a space station and one used as a starship, for those that are interested, is that for a space station the 1g region is exactly at the spheres equator and therefore conceptually similar to a Stanford torus at that region. But for a starship with constant acceleration, it is not at the equator - but 30,40, etc degrees depending on the linear degree of acceleration.

https://upload.wikim...l_Sphere_3.jpeg

http://www.wired.com...09/bernal_2.jpg

Edit**: Sorry, apparently I can't embed images while using my phone. Had to link.