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[Kabooooom]

Or it was built by the Reapers, since they are the ones who built the Presidium, not the Milky Way races.
Besides, developing something like this, especially since it would only be a part of the vessel, within three years is impossible.

I considered that, but it has two flaws: One, it doesn't invalidate my point that the structure is extremely reminiscent of a real life starship design utilizing the Bernal Sphere method (and mass effect has taken direct inspiration from such designs before), and two - it would require the Reapers to have visited Andromeda...which I honestly hope is not the case.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I considered that, but it has two flaws: One, it doesn't invalidate my point that the structure is extremely reminiscent of a real life starship design utilizing the Bernal Sphere method (and mass effect has taken direct inspiration from such designs before), and two - it would require the Reapers to have visited Andromeda...which I honestly hope is not the case.

I was never trying to invalidate your point about it representing a type of space colony installation/ship. Like you said, Bioware has been inspired by similar concepts which they have used in Mass Effect. 

[Kabooooom]

I was never trying to invalidate your point about it representing a type of space colony installation/ship. Like you said, Bioware has been inspired by similar concepts which they have used in Mass Effect.

Oh, sorry, I guess I phrased that wrong. What I meant to say was, IF it is a Bernal Sphere type space ship, then that seems like something that the Reapers would have very little motive to build. Why would they build such a thing? Especially if it can take the species of the MW to Andromeda? To me, the two concepts seem mutually exclusive. The Reapers could have built it, or it could be a starship, but not both.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh, sorry, I guess I phrased that wrong. What I meant to say was, IF it is a Bernal Sphere type space ship, then that seems like something that the Reapers would have very little motive to build. Why would they build such a thing? Especially if it can take the species of the MW to Andromeda? To me, the two concepts seem mutually exclusive. The Reapers could have built it, or it could be a starship, but not both.

Not true, actually. The Citadel was built by the Reapers, but can be considered a spaceship as well as a space station because it can move. 

But now we're going to get to the parts where we disagree. You think it originates from the Milky Way, I think it originates from Andromeda.

[Kabooooom]

Not true, actually. The Citadel was built by the Reapers, but can be considered a spaceship as well as a space station because it can move.
But now we're going to get to the parts where we disagree. You think it originates from the Milky Way, I think it originates from Andromeda.

We don't know how the Citadel actually moved to Earth. The Reapers themselves could have physically moved it for all we know. For a billion years, the only thing that the Citadel ever did was sit right smack in the middle of the Serpent Nebula.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We don't know how the Citadel actually moved to Earth. The Reapers themselves could have physically moved it for all we know. For a billion years, the only thing that the Citadel ever did was sit right smack in the middle of the Serpent Nebula.

We know the Citadel has engines. Barla Von mentions them in Mass Effect 1.

[Navasha]

Would be a nice tie-in if they use that whole 'dying' star you rescue Tali from in ME2 as maybe the wormhole source.   Seeing as it would take the power of a star to teleport any sizeable amount of matter to another galaxy. 

[Kabooooom]

We know the Citadel has engines. Barla Von mentions them in Mass Effect 1.

Yes, you are correct. But for some reason I always interpreted that to mean that the Citadel requires periodic adjustments to rotation, as it exists within a nebula and therefore would lose momentum over time, abolishing the artificial gravity. I didn't take that to mean literal engines used for space travel, but maybe they are.

[Iakus]

Yes, you are correct. But for some reason I always interpreted that to mean that the Citadel requires periodic adjustments to rotation, as it exists within a nebula and therefore would lose momentum over time, abolishing the artificial gravity. I didn't take that to mean literal engines used for space travel, but maybe they are.

 

The Serpent Nebula is a serious navigational hazard, though.  

[Kabooooom]

The Serpent Nebula is a serious navigational hazard, though.

That's a good point too (although Bekenstein semi-retconned that, I headcanon it as there are several safe paths through the nebula). Maybe the Citadel needs to move periodically to avoid hazards.

[Dantriges]

The buildings aren´t. Could be a problem if something gets between the arms.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's a good point too (although Bekenstein semi-retconned that, I headcanon it as there are several safe paths through the nebula). Maybe the Citadel needs to move periodically to avoid hazards.

Why? The Citadel is nigh-indestructible. The only time it gets damaged is when the Citadel-Crucible fires. 

 

The buildings aren´t. Could be a problem if something gets between the arms.

True, but when have the Reapers cared about people getting hurt that they would install safety measures for them? 

[Dantriges]

Because they want the cattle to use it for several thousand years instead of discarding it as a safety hazard. Imagine the big disappointment when the Reapers arrive yelling Surprise and no one is there. Makes big reapers cry like little girls.

[Nethershadow]

The Council races allied with us when we were inferior and smaller than them. So why wouldn't one of the Andromeda races? It can either be for pragmatic reasons, like us providing an edge against their enemies, or just because they are nice aliens who want to help the newcomers. We don't know the cultures yet so can't say. 

There's a difference in when you have an empire with planets, stations, population, industry, economy and resources, and it is completely another thing to just be a starship full of people with next to none of those things.

 

And then if we are entering into a conflict, we are more likely to be used as cannon fodder or just ignored as insignificant in comparison. Not to say we can't make a difference as I'm sure my N7 will give em hell, but in the grand scheme we have nothing to offer. 

 

True we might get lucky with some benevolent empire but going into this would be a bad situation all around and hoping that one of them will take pity on the little puppy starship is a big risk. I mean if they go we jumped through a wormhole blindly and survived, why not push our luck and jump into a conflict right after.... because nothing could go wrong there

[Ahriman]

There's a difference in when you have an empire with planets, stations, population, industry, economy and resources, and it is completely another thing to just be a starship full of people with next to none of those things.

 

And then if we are entering into a conflict, we are more likely to be used as cannon fodder or just ignored as insignificant in comparison. Not to say we can't make a difference as I'm sure my N7 will give em hell, but in the grand scheme we have nothing to offer. 

 

True we might get lucky with some benevolent empire but going into this would be a bad situation all around and hoping that one of them will take pity on the little puppy starship is a big risk. I mean if they go we jumped through a wormhole blindly and survived, why not push our luck and jump into a conflict right after.... because nothing could go wrong there

We still don't know anything about these aliens and their technology level. This could be like entering the conflict of some african tribes. If colonists don't have the edge on technologies than they have nothing to offer Andromedians, even being cannon fodder is pointless, because they'd have much more of it anyway.

Or maybe the leak is wrong.

[LinksOcarina]

We still don't know anything about these aliens and their technology level. This could be like entering the conflict of some african tribes. If colonists don't have the edge on technologies than they have nothing to offer Andromedians, even being cannon fodder is pointless, because they'd have much more of it anyway.

Or maybe the leak is wrong.

 

I doubt it at this point. Although some parameters of the leak might change, I have a feeling most of what we read already is set in stone.

 

I also think the leak holds a lot more clues as to the timeframe for the game, at least in terms of how it is worded and presented.

[Linkenski]

Inb4 "Eezo turned black holes into plot holes!" when the game is out and everyone starts picking it apart.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There's a difference in when you have an empire with planets, stations, population, industry, economy and resources, and it is completely another thing to just be a starship full of people with next to none of those things.

 

And then if we are entering into a conflict, we are more likely to be used as cannon fodder or just ignored as insignificant in comparison. Not to say we can't make a difference as I'm sure my N7 will give em hell, but in the grand scheme we have nothing to offer. 

 

True we might get lucky with some benevolent empire but going into this would be a bad situation all around and hoping that one of them will take pity on the little puppy starship is a big risk. I mean if they go we jumped through a wormhole blindly and survived, why not push our luck and jump into a conflict right after.... because nothing could go wrong there

True, but the Council did this with the Virtual Aliens as well, and all they were was a bunch of uploaded consciousnesses in a single ship.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Virtual_Alien

 

Didn't Bioware say somewhere than one of the new aliens from Andromeda are our allies?  

[Nethershadow]

We still don't know anything about these aliens and their technology level. This could be like entering the conflict of some african tribes. If colonists don't have the edge on technologies than they have nothing to offer Andromedians, even being cannon fodder is pointless, because they'd have much more of it anyway.

Or maybe the leak is wrong.

Right, but I was responding to Hanako's post that IF we were inferior in most ways, there would be no real good reason why anyone would want to ally with us in that circumstance. Sure if they were benevolent but hoping that was going to be the case is asking to be ruined.

[Kabooooom]

Why? The Citadel is nigh-indestructible. The only time it gets damaged is when the Citadel-Crucible fires.

True, but when have the Reapers cared about people getting hurt that they would install safety measures for them?

The Citadel is nigh indestructible ***when closed***.

While open, people literally walk around in the open air, as the centripetal force keeps an atmosphere intact 20 meters off the ground in the ward arms.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Citadel is nigh indestructible ***when closed***.

While open, people literally walk around in the open air, as the centripetal force keeps an atmosphere intact 20 meters off the ground in the ward arms.

No, the Citadel itself is nigh-indestructible. Now the cities built on the Crucible are another story, but I was talking about solely the Citadel's superstructure. 

[Kabooooom]

No, the Citadel itself is nigh-indestructible. Now the cities built on the Crucible are another story, but I was talking about solely the Citadel's superstructure.

Sorry, to clarify, I meant that since we were discussing the Citadel engines functioning to evade circumstances in the reportedly extremely dangerous Serpent Nebula, that the Citadel structure is indestructible - but that is useless if your citizens fry in an electrical storm. So the Citadel either would have to move or close the arms every time a threat came by. Moving is probably less disruptive to civilian life.

Then again, after the arms close you can still see taxis moving in the distance like it is business as usual.

[link2twenty]

Sorry, it's not lore just stuff made up by fans

http://www.cerberusd..._old.php/?p=561

[Fredward]

Sorry, it's not lore just stuff made up by fans

http://www.cerberusd..._old.php/?p=561

 

Yeah, the OP mentions that.

[Sartoz]

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Actually, the Arkcon crew arrived in the Andromeda galaxy via an experimental QSD (Quantum Slipstream Dive). The ME:A teaser cinematic clearly shows us how it works. Forget worm holes or the limited warp drive or the old Reaper tech (which required two end points).

 

QSD is the new tech and ME:A has it.