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[Ahriman]

"During a news conference at the ongoing Volus Physical Society meeting on Irune, Volus scientist Darik Zol unveiled a new theory of how black holes could be used for interstellar travel. “It’s true,” said the press release, “black hole surroundings are vicious environments, whether it’s the million-solar-mass black hole at the Galactic center, or your regular run-of-the-mill ten-solar-mass black hole in the Galactic disk. But, by surrounding the black hole with a sphere of element zero, we could effectively turn it into a wormhole, opening a gate to a different part of the galaxy—or who knows, maybe even beyond"

 

Nice find. The only question I have is, did the person who wrote this had any idea about Black Holes? Event Horizon for average black hole will be about the size of Earth's orbit. Good luck with surrounding it with eezo.

[CrutchCricket]

Uh, this is the same studio responsible for sentient plants digesting bodies into mental brain filters, curing death with "resources", and Synthesis.   
 
Are you sure about this?

Well... when you put it that way...
 
We can only hope the lack of previous plot constraints and the fact that they have more than a year to work on the core idea of their premise will yield better things than "art". And by "hope" I mean "don't **** this up or I walk". Of course I'm already out the door thanks to Walters still being in charge of more than a paper cup. But in general, I mean.

[samagent]

Anyone else see what I see. Distorted structure with possible wormhole?

[Nethershadow]

You're vastly underestimating the hubris and sheer "Why the hell not!" nature of exploration and discovery. This could even be a "contingency plan" that has nothing to do with the Reapers!  There are tons of possibilities, many that would be a hell of a lot better than progressing the religious allusions with Noah's Space Ark and basing the entire setting on literally running away from the original trilogy. 

What reasons would you think are valid to set off on a one way ticket to another galaxy?

 

I don't think he's underestimating the "why the hell not!" nature of exploration and discovery. I can't think of any modern major project where they have invested a very large soum of resources and just threw them away in essence, because that is what they would be doing here.

 

Who says it isn't unbelievably huge? It would have to be and most of that would have to be storage for supplies, fuel included. Then there's also the convenient omission that if you're going to adapt Reaper drives, why not adapt their cores as well? Finally I never said it had to be sustained flight. I assume 570 years is the calculated estimate to arrive and Andromeda? I don't recall having to keep any appointments for that time. I can easily see the Ark flying on a "burst" schedule to conserve fuel. If it adds a thousand years or so to the journey, who cares? We're distancing ourselves from the trilogy. Time is irrelevant.

 

Modern technology just makes do with discharging near whatever object will take it, because why not? What would the use for detachable storage batteries be in normal operation? It'd be a waste of material to design something like that when you can just skim a planet or asteroid or pay a nominal fee to discharge at a station. This is like claiming we couldn't invent better long-range FTL. We probably could, but with the relays, why bother? That's the whole point of the relay trap to begin with.

 

Yes... and? That's the whole point, and seeing what they come up with to address this is far more interesting that "look a wormhole lololol"

The Ark would not have any Reaper tech as it would leave before they acquired anything Reaper.

[Mcfly616]

Really? People are surprised by this? What other way did people expect them to get there? It's in Andromeda. You didn't expect Bioware to go the realistic route and cryo freeze the crew while their ship drifts for thousands of years towards another galaxy, did you? Wormhole was always the obvious choice. Probably the only plausible one. It's Bioware after all and they craft their entire narratives in a way in which they completely hinge on plot devices.

 

 

Not to mention, I could've sworn the N7 soldier started the E3 trailer by jammin out to a bit of Cash before travelling through a wormhole to his destination.

 

 

 

I'd imagine this could be an initiative taken by the Council before the end of ME3, in an attempt to preserve galactic civilization, should the worst come to pass. 

[Mcfly616]

The Ark would not have any Reaper tech as it would leave before they acquired anything Reaper.

 Really? All of our technology is based off Reaper tech (i.e. mass relays) So, yes, if the Ark leaves during or after the events of the trilogy, it will most certainly have Reaper tech integrated into it.

[CrutchCricket]

The Ark would not have any Reaper tech as it would leave before they acquired anything Reaper.

Sovereign, to a lesser extent the Collector base and possibly the derelict Reaper. Wouldn't be a fan of the first two as they would necessarily involve Cerberus. Again. Oh also the Reaper corpse previously known as the Leviathan of Dis. Batarians took that one.

 

But no real mention is even given on what happened to Sovereign's choice bits (phrasing). Turians got the gun, who got the drive or the core?

[dreamgazer]

What reasons would you think are valid to set off on a one way ticket to another galaxy?

Colonization of another galaxy, period. The search for resources. Hell, running away from something else.
 

I don't think he's underestimating the "why the hell not!" nature of exploration and discovery. I can't think of any modern major project where they have invested a very large soum of resources and just threw them away in essence, because that is what they would be doing here.

This is the same universe where one dude threw billions of credits at a program to resurrect a single soldier.

Going to another galaxy for the lulz seems rational in comparison.

[Mcfly616]

Nice find. The only question I have is, did the person who wrote this had any idea about Black Holes? Event Horizon for average black hole will be about the size of Earth's orbit. Good luck with surrounding it with eezo.

 black holes come in all sizes. From microscopic to so massive that they represent the cores of entire galaxies.  

[Mcfly616]

Colonization of another galaxy, period. The search for resources. Hell, running away from something else.

 We haven't even colonized more than 1% of our galaxy. Plenty of available resources in our own galaxy. 

 

 

Running away from something (such as a galaxy-eating threat) is the only good reason.

[dreamgazer]

We haven't even colonized more than 1% of our galaxy. Plenty of available resources in our own galaxy.

Sure, but that involves opening doors for threats that could spread throughout the Milky Way, and that's in pursuit of stuff we already know about.

[DoomsdayDevice]

It sounded totally ridiculous to begin with.

Why and how exactly would a ring of eezo around a black hole create a wormhole? Why would anyone even try such a thing? Where's the (pseudo-) scientific explanation?

What a load of crap.

[Iakus]

You're vastly underestimating the hubris and sheer "Why the hell not!" nature of exploration and discovery. This could even be a "contingency plan" that has nothing to do with the Reapers!  There are tons of possibilities, many that would be a hell of a lot better than progressing the religious allusions with Noah's Space Ark and basing the entire setting on literally running away from the original trilogy. 

Hell, look at all the shipwrecks beyond the Omega IV Relay.

 

The problem with going to Andromeda is that it's technologically unfeasible.  But if there was a way for people to make a serious attempt, you will find people crazy enough to try.

[Mcfly616]

Sure, but that involves opening doors for threats that could spread throughout the Milky Way, and that's in pursuit of stuff we already know about.

 it's still illogical. You won't open doors in your own neighborhood due to the possibility of a threat, but you're willing to go through the trouble of going to an entirely different galaxy to face a possible threat there...

 

 

Doesn't hold up. You give up the home-field advantage, and expend untold amount of resources.

[Kabooooom]

Nice find. The only question I have is, did the person who wrote this had any idea about Black Holes? Event Horizon for average black hole will be about the size of Earth's orbit. Good luck with surrounding it with eezo.

The Schwartzchild radius for a black hole of only 3 solar masses (the lower end of plausibility) is only 9 kilometers.

So it depends on the size of the black hole. Smaller black holes have a pretty small event horizon.

[Mcfly616]

Why and how exactly would a ring of eezo around a black hole create a wormhole? Why would anyone even try such a thing? Where's the (pseudo-) scientific explanation?

 There isn't one. I'm guessing the devs/writers saw Interstellar and just said "yeah, lets do that."

[Kabooooom]

It sounded totally ridiculous to begin with.

Why and how exactly would a ring of eezo around a black hole create a wormhole? Why would anyone even try such a thing? Where's the (pseudo-) scientific explanation?

What a load of crap.

The way you create a wormhole with general relativity is to stabilize it from the inside using exotic matter with negative mass, a purely theoretical construct. Without it, the wormhole immediately collapses. This is a well known mathematical discovery of theoretical physics.

So, having eezo work similarly seems pseudo-scientifically plausible to me.

[dreamgazer]

it's still illogical. You won't open doors in your own neighborhood due to the possibility of a threat, but you're willing to go through the trouble of going to an entirely different galaxy to face a possible threat there...

Yes, because you're endangering your neighborhood in one scenario, and exploring someone else's in another.

Doesn't hold up. You give up the home-field advantage, and expend untold amount of resources.

That's the nature of exploration. We give up "home-field advantage" every time we leave Earth, and it certainly ain't cheap.

[N7Jamaican]

Anyone else see what I see. Distorted structure with possible wormhole?

Either a ship or the Andromeda version of a "Relay." 

[Iakus]

Either a ship or the Andromeda version of a "Relay." 

Looks like  a Shadow-tech version of an asari deadnought to me

[dreamgazer]

That thing's important, whatever it is.

[N7Jamaican]

It makes sense to go with this.. It's already written, and explained.  All they would have to do is elaborate a little further on it. Whether, this was planned or inadvertent, or has no connection to ME:A at all... I love it!

[Farangbaa]

This is the same universe where one dude threw billions of credits at a program to resurrect a single soldier.

Going to another galaxy for the lulz seems rational in comparison.

I'm dying over here.

[Iakus]

 it's still illogical. You won't open doors in your own neighborhood due to the possibility of a threat, but you're willing to go through the trouble of going to an entirely different galaxy to face a possible threat there...

 

 

Doesn't hold up. You give up the home-field advantage, and expend untold amount of resources.

THis particular example does have a few advantages, though:

 

1) It's a one-way transport.  Nothing can come back through the wormhole, so no risk of another rachni invasion

2) It can be done by a private group, so one could justify colonists willing to do something crazy because "insert reason here"

3) It's goofy space magic, but not entirely inconsistent with the goofy space magic that already exists in the game.

[Kabooooom]

I'm quite convinced that Bioware decided to move the story to Andromeda over a year ago before actually deciding or thinking about HOW to get there within the lore.

And given the existence of the word "ARK" clearly labeled in big white capital letters on the destination screen in the trailer, they are probably going the ark route.

But that still doesn't answer how the ark gets there. And honestly, that will be the most difficult aspect of the story for them to conjure, so they may not have even narrowed it down yet.

So, Bioware, if you haven't gotten the nitty gritty details of the whole thing tidied up yet, then go with this idea. It avoids all of the lore problems that all of the other ideas bring up, and it is easy enough that a private group or any group could accomplish it without really diverting resources away from the
Crucible. And it also prevents a wormhole conveniently showing up. I say, go for it.