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[Yumi]

This is the longest third stage of grief thread I've seen in quite a while.

[Innarra]

Bryan has made it abundantly clear in several posts that money was a factor, yes, but the older consoles were EXTREMELY limited. It is a nightmare to optimize games for PS3/360 right now, as the primary focus are the newer gens. As someone in this thread mentioned, they probably realized this in the middle of developing Jaws of Hakkon. They couldn't give half the DLC to the PS3/360 and the full DLC where they went all out with what they wanted to do to PC/PS4/XBONE, because they would face a drama of epic proportions with fans who have no idea how technology works. They had to find a middle ground. And this "no child left behind" thing sucks as it limits game devs to no end. If CDPR would have released Witcher 3 on older consoles, the game that came out would have been significantly worse.

 

And if BioWare is working on a bigass DLC right now, it only makes sense, as dropping 360/PS3 DLC support means that their limitation has been lifted by a LOT.

 

shackleshotgun, If you've read any of my posts, you'd know I said I understood why they dropped future DLC releases for old gen. That's not the issue I'm trying to raise. Dropping PATCH support for all the current content we have, and then not being up front about that in the beginning is what all PS3/Xbox360 users are in an uproar over.

 

The game we bought never worked very well. Did they fix a few things? Sure. Did the Dragonslayer dlc (free) work very well? Not so much, and they NEVER fixed those issues. And now they won't.

[Bryan Johnson]

shackleshotgun, If you've read any of my posts, you'd know I said I understood why they dropped future DLC releases for old gen. That's not the issue I'm trying to raise. Dropping PATCH support for all the current content we have, and then not being up front about that in the beginning is what all PS3/Xbox360 users are in an uproar over.
 
The game we bought never worked very well. Did they fix a few things? Sure. Did the Dragonslayer dlc (free) work very well? Not so much, and they NEVER fixed those issues. And now they won't.

I did touch on patches for technical reasons, look a few pages back about patching on Xbox 360 and the space available.

Also for the dragon slayer issue you brought up, I asked a question of would you rather the content was never released or released with the issue you brought up?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Did people tell central European users to essentially "deal with it" when they didn't get LotSB?

[Innarra]

I did touch on patches for technical reasons, look a few pages back about patching on Xbox 360 and the space available.

Also for the dragon slayer issue you brought up, I asked a question of would you rather the content was never released or released with the issue you brought up?

 

I would've rather you spent time fixing the content you released. Neither of the options you raise are good for business, or good for your fanbase.

 

The way you pose this sounds like this: "would you rather we pulled the support earlier, or left it as it currently is now, with tons of bugs". 

 

Who would want you to be worse than you were? We're already not happy with how you've handled the pull out.

[Pork]

I did touch on patches for technical reasons, look a few pages back about patching on Xbox 360 and the space available.

Also for the dragon slayer issue you brought up, I asked a question of would you rather the content was never released or released with the issue you brought up?

 

Id like to just add that I think every single user on this forum would have prefered Destruction to be delayed until the key bug was fixed.

[Bryan Johnson]

I would've rather you spent time fixing the content you released. Neither of the options you raise are good for business, or good for your fanbase.

 

The way you pose this sounds like this: "would you rather we pulled the support earlier, or left it as it currently is now, with tons of bugs". 

 

Who would want you to be worse than you were? We're already not happy with how you've handled the pull out.

The intent of the question was, if it was not technically possible would you rather have broken or not at all.

[Cirvante]

Yet these AAA games would look like PS2 games on PC, stuck in early access if it wasn't for the console dollar. 

 

Can't have it both way I'm afraid. 

 

Dragon Age Origins and Witcher 2 say hi.

 

It just doesn't make them as many shekels, which is why even the slavs have started optimizing for consoles and then porting to PC.

[Innarra]

The intent of the question was, if it was not technically possible would you rather have broken or not at all.

 

And here you raise the question, why was this technically not possible for BW, to make sure your content released worked properly?

 

What do you hope to gain from asking such a question? "would you rather we didn't give you anything, or something broken that we did give you?"... Why even come on this forum and pose hypotheticals anyway? You're just adding fuel to your already torched fanbase. This kind of statement is inflammatory and makes it seem like BW is happy with the broken way they left the PS3/X360 community, not caring about us at all.

[ParthianShotX]

And here you raise the question, why was this technically not possible for BW, to make sure your content released worked properly?

 

What do you hope to gain from asking such a question? "would you rather we didn't give you anything, or something broken that we did give you?"... Why even come on this forum and pose hypotheticals anyway? You're just adding fuel to your already torched fanbase. This kind of statement is inflammatory and makes it seem like BW is happy with the broken way they left the PS3/X360 community, not caring about us at all.

 

When was the last time  you bought perfect software of any type?

[mfr001]

When was the last time  you bought perfect software of any type?

I would even go a bit further and ask when the first time was that anyone bought a significant piece of software that was perfect. I assume no one has ever paid money for

 

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Dragon Age Origins and Witcher 2 say hi.

 

It just doesn't make them as many shekels, which is why even the slavs have started optimizing for consoles and then porting to PC.

 

 

Dragon Age Origins is multiplatform. 

 

And CD Projekt Red says hi: 

 

If the consoles are not involved there is no Witcher 3 as it is, we can lay it out that simply. We just cannot afford it, because consoles allow us to go higher in terms of the possible or achievable sales; have a higher budget for the game, and invest it all into developing this huge, gigantic world.

 

 

Not to mention that most of these AAA game franchises wouldn't even be in existence if it wasn't for the console dollar.

[sonofbarak]

When was the last time  you bought perfect software of any type?

 

I brought MAG for PS3 not problems at all
 

[GreatBlueHeron]

And here you raise the question, why was this technically not possible for BW, to make sure your content released worked properly?
 
What do you hope to gain from asking such a question? "would you rather we didn't give you anything, or something broken that we did give you?"... Why even come on this forum and pose hypotheticals anyway? You're just adding fuel to your already torched fanbase. This kind of statement is inflammatory and makes it seem like BW is happy with the broken way they left the PS3/X360 community, not caring about us at all.

I'd like your post if I could, but I ran out.

I've learned quite a lot about Bioware this past month. Dang, sucks to have my opinion go from "high praise" to "flushed down the toilet with no hope of retrieval" in such a short amount of time.

[Cirvante]

Dragon Age Origins is multiplatform. 

 

And CD Projekt Red says hi: 

 

 

Not to mention that most of these AAA game franchises wouldn't even be in existence if it wasn't for the console dollar.

 

Have you played both the PC version and the console version of Dragon Age Origins? They play like completely different games.

 

And Witcher and Witcher 2 were both made for PC before W2 was even ported to consoles. Sure, they are not  huge open-world RPGs like W3, but that's just CDPR trying to pander to the Skyrim audience. Bioware tried the same with DA:I. CDPR made W3 for both PC and consoles because it makes them more money. The fact that it allows for a bigger budget doesn't mean that they couldn't have made a really good game only for PC instead. Personally, I'd prefer a smaller scale and a smaller world that isn't optimized for and limited by consoles. Alas, I don't make the business decisions at CDPR.

 

They used to be based slavs, until they lied about the downgrade and then later acted like it wasn't important. Had they been honest with their customers and given that explanation earlier, then I might have pre-ordered W3. This way I might buy it when the price goes down enough.

[Pork]

I would even go a bit further and ask when the first time was that anyone bought a significant piece of software that was perfect. I assume no one has ever paid money for

As far as games go, I could name a few where I have never encountered game breaking bugs. 

[Geth Supremacy]

I would even go a bit further and ask when the first time was that anyone bought a significant piece of software that was perfect. I assume no one has ever paid money for

 

10 PRINT "Hello"

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Before the PS3/DLC era most games you bought were actually complete.  It was only when devs started being able to half ass games and have people pay $60 to beta test their games for them as they patched it on the fly that all this started.

 

I can name many games I played the heck out of and encountered no problems.

 

This is going away from how shady and full of crap Bioware is though.  What has just happened is complete garbage and what is important here.  I can't believe I used to be a huge fan of this company.

[ParthianShotX]

I own a PS3 and a 360. My perspective is to expect eventual obsolescence when I buy tech. At least this time, I got a decent run in terms of years. Not like the time I bought the FirstGen IPad for $800-something only to see IOS support die just a little over a year later.

[Innarra]

Hey now, the issue isn't that DAI was/n't perfect, or that any game is expected to be that way. The issue is BW dropped their patch support, leaving the game and it's free dlc ridden with bugs, glitches and game breaking exploits. It's obvious the support that they did give it for a few short months was subpar, and not worth their esteemed effort to keep it alive.

[Innarra]

How? Post a splash page in game is the only way I can even think of. Should they have approached every news outlet and leave a PR story? How exactly could they have reached out to "everyone"?

 

Change the post on their website. What they have on their site currently is misleading.

[Domiel Angelus]

This is the longest third stage of grief thread I've seen in quite a while.

 

It's going to remain for a long time, Yumi.

 

Some people don't quite understand that if its not on the game box, its not guaranteed to you and that ~$60 (US) only applied to the base game. Patching isn't even guaranteed (plenty of games get released and never get one even if they need it) and that destructoid posting people keep referring to is kept vague for Bioware and EA's protection, as it doesn't give the quoted individual's name and only covers that MP will be supported longer than ME3's (It also doesn't say what systems they'll be supporting either, so levels upon levels of grey). 

 

If anyone should be raising Hell about this game, it isn't even the old gen. The people that adopted the new gen consoles got just as screwed if not more so that the old generation players, the new gen just got their foot in the bum up front with the static npcs, sparse enemy placement, lower resolution skins, lazy tactical system and many things that had to be removed to keep the games at roughly the same level. I'm fairly certain we would have gotten a drastically better game if they hadn't kept the old generation systems on the play card.

[SharpWalkers]

We arent making things up when we say working on 10 year old hardware is not easy.

 

(Bioware Employee)

 

I think a nice way to illustrate how old the Xbox 360 is, and the challange of developing on a 10 year old system & the new systems at the same time is: It would be like developing for N64 (release 1996) and the Xbox 360 (Release 2005 - 9 years later) at the same time.

 

Perhaps a little hyperbolic, but I'd say it's a solid reference.

[Geth Supremacy]

It's going to remain for a long time, Yumi.

 

Some people don't quite understand that if its not on the game box, its not guaranteed to you and that ~$60 (US) only applied to the base game. Patching isn't even guaranteed (plenty of games get released and never get one even if they need it) and that destructoid posting people keep referring to is kept vague for Bioware and EA's protection, as it doesn't give the quoted individual's name and only covers that MP will be supported longer than ME3's (It also doesn't say what systems they'll be supporting either, so levels upon levels of grey). 

 

If anyone should be raising Hell about this game, it isn't even the old gen. The people that adopted the new gen consoles got just as screwed if not more so that the old generation players, the new gen just got their foot in the bum up front with the static npcs, sparse enemy placement, lower resolution skins, lazy tactical system and many things that had to be removed to keep the games at roughly the same level. I'm fairly certain we would have gotten a drastically better game if they hadn't kept the old generation systems on the play card.

 

I guess I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

 

Lets try this.  I don't care what you "guarantee" to me.  How about this. If I'm buying a AAA game...especially one from the likes of EA and Bioware there are some quality expectations there.  Giving me a MP game with 3 freaking maps is not that.  I could understand that from an indy game, but not them.  I could go on and on about content and loot systems and characters, but I'm not.  As for these "games that need patches, but never get them" I don't know of any.  Perhaps my standards are high enough that I have blacklisted these devs.  I refuse to buy Ubisoft and DICE games.  I will never buy another one and it is directly because of the garbage quality they give and the broken state their games are always in.  BF3 was the last DICE game I will ever buy as is AC3 from Ubisoft.  I had an absolute blast when Watchdogs released going to N4G and reading all of the rage of people who pre ordered that game.  Hilarious!  And the next Ubisoft game that comes out they will do the same thing and I will go and laugh at them again because they never learn.

 

I don't care about some "i got cha!" clause in some ToS bs.  If that's the route they want to take then that's fine.  I won't buy their games anymore either (and I'm not)  At the end of the day I expect when you CHOOSE to release a game on a system then you just committed to it and have some balls and see it through.  I bet the vast majority of people here didn't even expect the game to be released on old gen.  BUT IT WAS.

 

As far as the so called next gen issues you stated.  If that was the case then I wouldn't have bought it for that system.  At least you had some idea of what to expect since Bioware CHOSE to put the game on old gen though.  That's better than having the rug pulled out from under you after being purposely mislead and left out of the loop.

 

I think you should hop down off of EA's lap, look at the situation for what it is, and see that it is wrong.  You shouldn't treat people like crap.  Especially the ones that support you and are the reason you are where you are.  If you want to defend them and try to justify what they do then fine, but its a bad look. It also doesn't matter what you're "fairly certain" of.  You sound just like the PC players always needing to blame someone or something for every injustice in the world except the actual people making the game and the decisions they make.  A year or so from now YOU will be the reason games suck and PC players will tell you that with every other breath until PS4 is dropped and then they will find the next thing to blame and cry over and on and on and on.

[GreatBlueHeron]

It's going to remain for a long time, Yumi.
 
Some people don't quite understand that if its not on the game box, its not guaranteed to you and that ~$60 (US) only applied to the base game. Patching isn't even guaranteed (plenty of games get released and never get one even if they need it) and that destructoid posting people keep referring to is kept vague for Bioware and EA's protection, as it doesn't give the quoted individual's name and only covers that MP will be supported longer than ME3's (It also doesn't say what systems they'll be supporting either, so levels upon levels of grey). 
 
If anyone should be raising Hell about this game, it isn't even the old gen. The people that adopted the new gen consoles got just as screwed if not more so that the old generation players, the new gen just got their foot in the bum up front with the static npcs, sparse enemy placement, lower resolution skins, lazy tactical system and many things that had to be removed to keep the games at roughly the same level. I'm fairly certain we would have gotten a drastically better game if they hadn't kept the old generation systems on the play card.

It's not a matter of comprehension, it's a matter of paying the same price and getting less. It is different treatment, and while not serious discrimination, it is discriminatory. I DGAF about the TOS--that's Bioware's attitude for dropping loyal customers and tells me all I need to know about their integrity. I'll simply take my money elsewhere and I hope others who are just as upset at being lied to by omission do the same. It's the only way companies like Bioware will learn. Fool me once and all that. Never again with Bioware/EA.

And you didn't get worse treatment. You're getting and have already received more content than I have. As NextArishok308 pointed out, the PC players will be blaming YOU for subpar products instead of rightfully directing their frustrations to the company who made and sold the product. In fact, PC players are blaming PS4 and XBOX One already for subpar quality for other games.

[Cirvante]

A year or so from now YOU will be the reason games suck and PC players will tell you that with every other breath until PS4 is dropped and then they will find the next thing to blame and cry over and on and on and on.

 

Nope, they already are.

 

I get that you're angry, but you should read Brojo's posts about the limitations of the old hardware. The fossil you are playing on simply doesn't allow for the data volume of the coming patches. Sucks to be you, I guess.