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Despite the fact that I got the game again on Xbox One last week, due to gift cards and already having new console, I'm still unhappy with this decision.
Yeah, I'm still disappointed. Still dedicated to not giving them any more money. I understand people don't have to boycott. I don't care if I'm the only one. They got quite a bit of money out of last gen. They could have done the right thing.
I agree... I'd rather not give them my money. I actually shouldn't have to give them more money, seeing that I pre-ordered the game and was fully made to believe that I would get the same amount of content as everyone else. I was given the opportunity to buy all of the other DLC up until they decided to drop support completely.
curious about why this was unstickied, to be honest...and why no one from Bioware has addressed anything on the last few pages.
Go glance at the 360/PS3 thread in Feedback sometime. There's been more posting from Bioware guys in this thread than in the entirety of that one, and it's a hundred and twenty pages and dates from the day after the game launch. Six posts in that time, total, one of which was basically "Shut up, you're making too much noise."
"Abandon ship" has been their policy for old gen gamers the entire time, pretty much.
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bump, bump, bump.
Sticky this thread moderators.
no need. I'm always glancing at that thread so I know just how little the interaction has been in there as well. Think I said something about it in a previous post within this thread. At the time, there were 114 pages.Go glance at the 360/PS3 thread in Feedback sometime. There's been more posting from Bioware guys in this thread than in the entirety of that one, and it's a hundred and twenty pages and dates from the day after the game launch. Six posts in that time, total, one of which was basically "Shut up, you're making too much noise."
"Abandon ship" has been their policy for old gen gamers the entire time, pretty much.
This is a real shame. At the moment, I will say, it seems like Bioware has taken up the "If we don't say anything, no one will complain." standing on this issue. It is happening both in the forums and on their Facebook page. I'm not aware if it's because EA has told them not to respond to these comments or what... Honestly, if that's the case, again, please, point us in the direction that we should be putting our voices because I'd be happy to take it somewhere else. I will start sending messages directly to EA if I have to. But completely ignoring all of your fans complaints, when in the past, you have been considerate of your fans voices, is frankly ridiculous and somewhat childish. You can't plug your ears and hum and expect it all to go away.
Well, what more is there for them to say? Only so many ways they can say "we had to cut you guys lose, sorry you're disappointed".
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Well, what more is there for them to say? Only so many ways they can say "we had to cut you guys lose, sorry you're disappointed".
sorry, not sorry
Just to toss in my two cents, I notice that a lot of the rebuttals to fan complaints is to justify a poor decision by alluding a poor decision another company made. A responsible company would strive to do better than the company they are referring to, while generally from what I see, BW is instead in effect saying "X did something similar too, so why can't we?" It's a little more than sad to see a tactic like this even being considered acceptable. On a side note: I notice that whenever the questions arise about having to buy the game again for next gen consoles, the response always addresses that you don't have to buy it again, it's not required. But for those that want DLC, Patch support, and a finish to their story, it is a requirement. BW doesn't seem to understand why it's wrong to offer a partial story to someone, unknowingly, and then suddenly announce it months after purchases. DLC has been touted constantly as having continuation to the main story, and last-genners don't get that, and are offered nothing more than a "Buy the game again, and then you can transfer your saves." Saying this isn't ideal is a massive understatement, it's outright money-grubbing. We already have to pay for the DLC, and then to access it you expect us to both purchase the game again and a VERY expensive gaming console, but you see nothing wrong with that in some way, because "we don't have to buy it again." Which is utterly false. On the Patch support drop, I can only say I'm not a bit surprised. I mean if you're gonna drop someone and leave them on the ground, you might as well kick them too. Effectively cutting the cord for only a portion of your fan base, and offering ZERO compensation other than "This isn't ideal, and it's unfortunate, but that's they way it is." isn't a good business tactic for maintaining a strong customer base. I know that I'm far more leery now when I see anything that has EA or BioWare on it. And I was already careful when it came to EA, so now I'm downright hesitant to even consider. Customers shouldn't ever have to feel that way, you shouldn't instill a feeling of dread and concern for regret, that is not good business, even if the number$ make it seem like it's fine. My thoughts, take them for what they are.
So I know this not going to make a difference but
Critical dmg for DoT
Not for Lastgen
What was that worth, a copypasta of script of and a few megabytes?
I guess everyone who could have done that work was fired
Just to toss in my two cents, I notice that a lot of the rebuttals to fan complaints is to justify a poor decision by alluding a poor decision another company made. A responsible company would strive to do better than the company they are referring to, while generally from what I see, BW is instead in effect saying "X did something similar too, so why can't we?" It's a little more than sad to see a tactic like this even being considered acceptable. On a side note: I notice that whenever the questions arise about having to buy the game again for next gen consoles, the response always addresses that you don't have to buy it again, it's not required. But for those that want DLC, Patch support, and a finish to their story, it is a requirement. BW doesn't seem to understand why it's wrong to offer a partial story to someone, unknowingly, and then suddenly announce it months after purchases. DLC has been touted constantly as having continuation to the main story, and last-genners don't get that, and are offered nothing more than a "Buy the game again, and then you can transfer your saves." Saying this isn't ideal is a massive understatement, it's outright money-grubbing. We already have to pay for the DLC, and then to access it you expect us to both purchase the game again and a VERY expensive gaming console, but you see nothing wrong with that in some way, because "we don't have to buy it again." Which is utterly false. On the Patch support drop, I can only say I'm not a bit surprised. I mean if you're gonna drop someone and leave them on the ground, you might as well kick them too. Effectively cutting the cord for only a portion of your fan base, and offering ZERO compensation other than "This isn't ideal, and it's unfortunate, but that's they way it is." isn't a good business tactic for maintaining a strong customer base. I know that I'm far more leery now when I see anything that has EA or BioWare on it. And I was already careful when it came to EA, so now I'm downright hesitant to even consider. Customers shouldn't ever have to feel that way, you shouldn't instill a feeling of dread and concern for regret, that is not good business, even if the number$ make it seem like it's fine. My thoughts, take them for what they are.
Thank you, Fiona&CakeFan, that is exactly the point we are trying to make! People seem to not understand or wish to defend this action when it is such a poor business tactic! Months after it's release and I am looking at buying another game and game system just to finish the story that I believed I was getting in it's entirety at purchase. Like I have mentioned, multiple times, I pre-ordered Dragon Age: Inquisition. I paid a little over $70 for the game and now I am being forced to repurchase that game for another $40 as well as a console that I had already planned to buy, but at the time, was not ready to purchase because I was waiting for them to announce backwards compatibility (which they have, but makes no difference on my game, seeing that it is an EMULATOR). Do we need to start totaling my purchase costs?
It will be $438.38 for me to purchase: Xbox One, Dragon Age: Inquisition for Xbox One, and the currently released Descent DLC.
I have already spent about $70 for the game on my Xbox 360. So let's add that. $508. And now I have a game that is useless to me! Let's say I traded it in, so let's just subtract $5 for that, because that's about how much it's worth! Alright: $503!
So we're just going to ignore that I'm handing Bioware a little over $100 for TWO copies of the game? No, I will NOT ignore that. And I WILL NOT stop "whining" about this. I will not "put my big girl panties on". I will NOT accept their measly attempts to sweep this under the rug.
To save pennies on the dollar, Bioware has decided to forego thousands of dollars in future sales. Seems legit...
Yeah, I'll upgrade my console or buy a capable pc soon enough, but I won't be purchasing any Bioware games on either after first the exclusive content fiasco and then the stop of support altogether for PS3 and XBOX 360 before they'd finished patching the game.
I've voiced it many times - they would be doing a good thing by providing people who previously purchased the game a downloadable option of the game on a different system. Would they be out of some costs? Possibly. But they will be ensuring the future sales profits of thousands of their customers by doing this. I haven't even mentioned the fact that I purchased two copies of this game already for myself and my boyfriend so that we could play the Multi-player together and so that he could enjoy the story (as he hadn't previously played any Dragon Age games).
I've introduced a lot of people to the Dragon Age series over the years and also to Biowares games. But this feels like a giant slap in my face that this company wasn't what I thought it was. For years, they have been a leading force of listening to their fans and providing them with content that the fans desire to see. Have we had a few hiccups along the way? Yeah, of course we have. We don't expect these developers or this company to be perfect. But this isn't just a hiccup. This is a monumentally huge rift that they have opened up between themselves and their players.
So we're just going to ignore that I'm handing Bioware a little over $100 for TWO copies of the game? No, I will NOT ignore that. And I WILL NOT stop "whining" about this. I will not "put my big girl panties on". I will NOT accept their measly attempts to sweep this under the rug.
To save pennies on the dollar, Bioware has decided to forego thousands of dollars in future sales. Seems legit...
Yeah, I'll upgrade my console or buy a capable pc soon enough, but I won't be purchasing any Bioware games on either after first the exclusive content fiasco and then the stop of support altogether for PS3 and XBOX 360 before they'd finished patching the game.
See you on ME:A release day.
I've voiced it many times - they would be doing a good thing by providing people who previously purchased the game a downloadable option of the game on a different system. Would they be out of some costs? Possibly. But they will be ensuring the future sales profits of thousands of their customers by doing this. I haven't even mentioned the fact that I purchased two copies of this game already for myself and my boyfriend so that we could play the Multi-player together and so that he could enjoy the story (as he hadn't previously played any Dragon Age games).
I've introduced a lot of people to the Dragon Age series over the years and also to Biowares games. But this feels like a giant slap in my face that this company wasn't what I thought it was. For years, they have been a leading force of listening to their fans and providing them with content that the fans desire to see. Have we had a few hiccups along the way? Yeah, of course we have. We don't expect these developers or this company to be perfect. But this isn't just a hiccup. This is a monumentally huge rift that they have opened up between themselves and their players.
The main issue too is that they keep talking about how there is no incentive for consoles to offer special deals on DAI because it gains the consoles nothing, so it would cost more for BW. And what I'm saying is that it's already cost you plenty so spending a little money on those loyal customers who have paid you large sums of cash over the years is hardly something that could be considered a poor expense, especially considering that this is a breaking point for many customers. If it costs you a small chunk of your fortune to ensure that you maintain a strong, large fan base, then it would easily be a wise investment to keep fans making future purchases again.
The main issue too is that they keep talking about how there is no incentive for consoles to offer special deals on DAI because it gains the consoles nothing, so it would cost more for BW. And what I'm saying is that it's already cost you plenty so spending a little money on those loyal customers who have paid you large sums of cash over the years is hardly something that could be considered a poor expense, especially considering that this is a breaking point for many customers. If it costs you a small chunk of your fortune to ensure that you maintain a strong, large fan base, then it would easily be a wise investment to keep fans making future purchases again.
Anyone on Xbox One can tell you that DA:I has come up for download at prices between $15 and $30, so even if Bioware/EA themselves are not putting it up for sale I've seen it go up on Xbox Live on the One at least three times now with different price point cuts for Xbox Gold members. Its also become part of the EA Vault which means at least on the One, you can pay $30 a year for EA's 'rental service' which currently has 15 games on it (including the aforementioned DA:I that just became part of it) now that's a bit of a grey space though because as with most 'rentals' you don't get to keep the game if you cancel their service.
I'm not certain whether PS4 has been having those same sales for DA:I pop up, but they don't have the EA Vault because Sony shot it down because they figured EA would rescind their current system that allows some titles to be given away by Sony as part of PS+/Playstation Now.
The bonus side for this is that if you did buy JoH or Spoils of Hakkon, you can still download it on the new system as well no charge (one of the team members said that, not just me spouting that). You also get SP and MP migration of progress if you're staying in the same line of consoles (PS3 to PS4 or 360 to One). Also I say that 'bonus side' because that even occurred shortly after I had already paid for JoH on the two different platforms (once for myself and once for someone that was soon to upgrade).
Anyone on Xbox One can tell you that DA:I has come up for download at prices between $15 and $30, so even if Bioware/EA themselves are not putting it up for sale I've seen it go up on Xbox Live on the One at least three times now with different price point cuts for Xbox Gold members. Its also become part of the EA Vault which means at least on the One, you can pay $30 a year for EA's 'rental service' which currently has 15 games on it (including the aforementioned DA:I that just became part of it) now that's a bit of a grey space though because as with most 'rentals' you don't get to keep the game if you cancel their service.
I'm not certain whether PS4 has been having those same sales for DA:I pop up, but they don't have the EA Vault because Sony shot it down because they figured EA would rescind their current system that allows some titles to be given away by Sony as part of PS+/Playstation Now.
The bonus side for this is that if you did buy JoH or Spoils of Hakkon, you can still download it on the new system as well no charge (one of the team members said that, not just me spouting that). You also get SP and MP migration of progress if you're staying in the same line of consoles (PS3 to PS4 or 360 to One). Also I say that 'bonus side' because that even occurred shortly after I had already paid for JoH on the two different platforms (once for myself and once for someone that was soon to upgrade).
And while I appreciate that there are discounts here and there, I already purchased said game and they still want me to do so again. Whether or not it's at a lower price isn't really going to change that I still have to make a double purchase to get DLC and patch support.
"Abandon ship" has been their policy for old gen gamers the entire time, pretty much.
So I know this not going to make a difference but
Critical dmg for DoT
Not for Lastgen
What was that worth, a copypasta of script of and a few megabytes?
I guess everyone who could have done that work was fired
Oh they could do it. They just won't. They only do what they choose to. They said there would be no more support, but fixed the X2 XP on last gen quite a while after this announcement.
They say it, but they don't really mean it. It's just when they feel like it and what they want to do. What a way to treat people. I'll treat them the same way in the future though so all is good.
They said there would be no more support, but fixed the X2 XP on last gen quite a while after this announcement..
The critical dmg for DoT probably requires a patch. I think they fixed the x2 xp on last gen on their side via the xp-cap (that happened during the last server maintenance if i remember correctly), so this is probably part of 'keeping the live service going for all players' (see quote from first post).
In the case of multiplayer, the DAIMP team remains committed to keeping the live service going for all players. This means we will continue to run weekly challenges on both PS3 and Xbox 360 for as long as we run them on PS4, Xbox One, and PC.
And while I appreciate that there are discounts here and there, I already purchased said game and they still want me to do so again. Whether or not it's at a lower price isn't really going to change that I still have to make a double purchase to get DLC and patch support.
I think their biggest issue isn't even doing an upgrade for either a discounted price or free, its the uproar that would come after from the other side of the fence. I've paid for this game three times as it is: One Inquisitor's Edition (Xbox One) and Two 'Deluxe' Editions (Xbox One and 360), the 360 version was because I had a friend who couldn't pay to upgrade and the second One copy was for my dad. I will not say that I'm well off, because I had to pre-order these at three different times and pay them off at different speeds (Inquisitor's Edition had to be paid off as a lump sum).
When I say the other side of the fence at the start of this I'm of course referring to the early adopters of the new gen and the sheer amount of rage a lot of them will have over "They get a second version for free? What do I get then," because you know that's what BW's really afraid of. Its not just the old gen they have to deal with if they give a free upgrade, its the large number of people that were over the fence at launch or hopped over before this announcement was even made as well that they would have to find incentive for. They wouldn't be trying to give something away for a quarter of the player base or half but all of it, and in that they would far too much for it to be cost effective.
I know that a lot of people I know wouldn't have been able to play with me saying this, but it may have been better to have just cut 360 and PS3 out from the jump. The issue with that is the last generation console owners would have felt betrayed there as well because they wouldn't have gotten this installment at all, on the plus side it would have allowed for a far better overall experience like the new gen got with The Descent so when they eventually made the change it would have been better for everyone. Bioware got trapped in a damned if ya do and damned if ya don't situation with this particular title because they either A.) released a safe/mediocre game to the masses and got hit now when they figured out they hit a wall with old technology's limitations or B.) Cut old gen entirely and keep people from playing the original game. I really wonder how much agency BW has even had in the decision to include next gen and the elimination of support this late in the game's life cycle.
In the case of this game as a whole, you either got screwed up front like next gen and the sheer amount of stuff (such as npcs that at least move more than three feet) removed to keep the game at a baseline for the four platforms plus pc that got it or you got screwed later like old gen where it still needs support now because there are a huge number of bugs that still occur (I've played to just after the Mage/Templar decision on the old gen and got lucky with only having three bugs on it) and they're not getting it. For new gen, we're finally getting at least small bits of that back with this latest DLC.
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