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[Fionna&CakeFan]

I think their biggest issue isn't even doing an upgrade for either a discounted price or free, its the uproar that would come after from the other side of the fence. I've paid for this game three times as it is: One Inquisitor's Edition (Xbox One) and Two 'Deluxe' Editions (Xbox One and 360), the 360 version was because I had a friend who couldn't pay to upgrade and the second One copy was for my dad. I will not say that I'm well off, because I had to pre-order these at three different times and pay them off at different speeds (Inquisitor's Edition had to be paid off as a lump sum).

 

When I say the other side of the fence at the start of this I'm of course referring to the early adopters of the new gen and the sheer amount of rage a lot of them will have over "They get a second version for free? What do I get then," because you know that's what BW's really afraid of. Its not just the old gen they have to deal with if they give a free upgrade, its the large number of people that were over the fence at launch or hopped over before this announcement was even made as well that they would have to find incentive for. They wouldn't be trying to give something away for a quarter of the player base or half but all of it, and in that they would far too much for it to be cost effective. 

 

I know that a lot of people I know wouldn't have been able to play with me saying this, but it may have been better to have just cut 360 and PS3 out from the jump. The issue with that is the last generation console owners would have felt betrayed there as well because they wouldn't have gotten this installment at all, on the plus side it would have allowed for a far better overall experience like the new gen got with The Descent so when they eventually made the change it would have been better for everyone. Bioware got trapped in a damned if ya do and damned if ya don't situation with this particular title because they either A.) released a safe/mediocre game to the masses and got hit now when they figured out they hit a wall with old technology's limitations or B.) Cut old gen entirely and keep people from playing the original game. I really wonder how much agency BW has even had in the decision to include next gen and the elimination of support this late in the game's life cycle. 

 

In the case of this game as a whole, you either got screwed up front like next gen and the sheer amount of stuff (such as npcs that at least move more than three feet) removed to keep the game at a baseline for the four platforms plus pc that got it or you got screwed later like old gen where it still needs support now because there are a huge number of bugs that still occur (I've played to just after the Mage/Templar decision on the old gen and got lucky with only having three bugs on it) and they're not getting it. For new gen, we're finally getting at least small bits of that back with this latest DLC.

I heavily disagree that anyone on new-gen should feel like they were left out if the last-gen players are offered a free upgrade to next gen. What the next-genners need to remember is that we paid the same amount as them, possibly more, and that we are simply asking that we get the same experience that the next-genners are getting. We aren't asking to be catered to, we are demanding equal treatment, and if that is seen as a slap to next-genners, imagine how we feel being tossed aside with no warning.

[CitizenThom]

No I won't be picking up ME:A on release day unless I get it for free. I won't bother on picking it up used either, it'll get released before it's been finished, and support will stop before the patches are finished. Why bother? 

[Shadow Hearth]

Nope, this has equally made my excitement for ME:A to drop to 0%. I won't be purchasing it unless I am:

A.) Offered support and DLC content for my Xbox 360/PS3 versions of DA:I.
B.) Offered a free upgraded version for Xbox One or PS4 of DA:I at no cost to me.

 

[Shadow Hearth]

If you read my earlier discussions, I have already said that I wouldn't have been hurt if DA:I had only come out for the "next" or "current" gen systems. While there may have very well been some backlash at the time of some people being left out, they wouldn't be having this uproar now for dropping support not even a year into DA:I's life span.

All gamers are fully aware that at some point, we must face the music and upgrade our console's and PC's to be able to properly get the experience of better and more advanced technology. However, Bioware/EA chose to make a decision and release DA:I for last generation consoles. When they did so, they should have been factoring in the costs and issues that would arise when creating new content and patches for the game on multiple systems, including last gen. Instead, they decided it wasn't worth their time and effort halfway through.

What does this mean? ... They got greedy. 

And now it's coming back to bite them in the butt with last gen and a few select current gen/PC gamers are taking up the hatchet to fight for something that is a colossal "F* YOU!" to their players.

[CitizenThom]

Bump until sticky'd

[Pork]

Bump until sticky'd

[Shadow Hearth]

Bump from me. Still holding out hope that they will fix this.

[Bryan Johnson]

Guys if you continue to bump this without adding anything, this thread will undoubtedly be locked.

 

Note: I have said, what I am going to say on this matter, so no sense 'jumping' on me (as this will ensure that I will never come back in here to participate). I also would very unlikely be the one to lock/warn people since I very rarely moderate. 

[Fionna&CakeFan]

Guys if you continue to bump this without adding anything, this thread will undoubtedly be locked.

 

Note: I have said, what I am going to say on this matter, so no sense 'jumping' on me (as this will ensure that I will never come back in here to participate). I also would very unlikely be the one to lock/warn people since I very rarely moderate. 

The main issue is that there is an ongoing outrage and issue, and the fact that no one is addressing it is what keeps making it worse. It's pointless to complain to a wall, but we're trying to believe that someone cares enough about our collective problem to make it right in some way. "Bumping" is keeping it relevant in a sense, and the only posts ever read are the ones that are deemed "relevant." So there's little choice but to try to keep this thread in the spotlight so that someone may eventually notice it and choose to offer something.

[Texasmotiv]

I feel for you all, I really do. But they have already said no to free games or discounts. What sort of response are you expecting?

In other words, what sort of resolution would you find acceptable?

[Bryan Johnson]

The main issue is that there is an ongoing outrage and issue, and the fact that no one is addressing it is what keeps making it worse. It's pointless to complain to a wall, but we're trying to believe that someone cares enough about our collective problem to make it right in some way. "Bumping" is keeping it relevant in a sense, and the only posts ever read are the ones that are deemed "relevant." So there's little choice but to try to keep this thread in the spotlight so that someone may eventually notice it and choose to offer something.

I believe everyone who is going to comment (at least from BioWare side) has done so. The majority of this thread (and the others like it) have been making largely the same points with variation. There is nearly 3 pages of BioWare posts (most were from myself). 

 

The point of my post was to say, if you are going to simply reply with the word "bump" (or some variation within) those that are still reading this thread (ie myself) will never even bother to click on it because the assumption is that the only reply is bump (ie definitely not contributing anything new), and the time is better served on reading other threads. 

 

Furthermore bumping is considered spam and against site rules, my post was to give a warning that warnings may be given to people who are constituting this type of spam. Since in this thread we have been accused of censorship, I feel as though giving this warning was relevant to post.

[GhostXl]

This is some serious ****. PS3 and xbox 360 owners got fucked badly. I preordered this game for  xbox 360. It cost me 69 euros that's insane.

They should definetly give last gen owners free new gen copies.

 

No more Bioware games for me. (So angry)

[Domiel Angelus]

This is some serious ****. PS3 and xbox 360 owners got fucked badly. I preordered this game for  xbox 360. It cost me 69 euros that's insane.

They should definetly give last gen owners free new gen copies.

 

No more Bioware games for me. (So angry)

 

You and so many others think you're the only one that got screwed. Many others that are on last gen have already agreed they would have been fine if it had never hit last gen at all. I have a feeling we would have seen a far better game if they had never catered to the last generation of consoles at all. 

 

The new generation may be getting the new content but the game as a whole aside from the characters (excluding the Inquisitor) and some story portions is sub-par. We got the same static NPCs, sparse enemies, fetch quests (some quests have substance, but about 65% are strictly fetch), bad character AI, random horrible bugs such as falling through the world on loading, ugly and sometimes broken character models, lack of tactics and a 'new' tactical camera that feels like they're just putting a pause and fast forward button on your combat. Note: those things are just the items that come to the forefront in my mind. 

 

If they hadn't involved the old generation at all we may have gotten something far better, they also could have bug tested three versions (PC, One and PS4) and probably found those horrendous bugs instead of stretching themselves thin over four platforms plus PC and having the game go out the door as it is. 

 

As for people asking about discounts even though Bioware isn't giving them out (and I've pointed this out before) I've seen it as low as $15 US on Xbox One when it comes up on sale, uncertain on the PS4 front. What Bioware has done for people changing from old to new: SP and MP progression transfer if you're going in line progression (360 to One, PS3 to PS4), you don't re-buy Hakkon DLCs if you bought them already (Which could save some people between $15 and $25 US). I have strong reasons to believe even getting those two items from the 'Overlords' at EA was akin to pulling teeth from a Gator's Maw. 

 

The way to fix this would actually be to find a way to get it on the Backwards Compatible list, but it probably wont for a few reasons 1.) There's already an Xbox One version 2.) Xbox Live Gold is putting it up on sale quite often 3.) Its been put into the EA Vault which lets you play DA:I and currently 14 to 16 other titles for $30 US a year as a rental service. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

So why isn't this information somewhere where more people can notice it like gen discussion and why was it unsticked? Are they trying to hide this information so new last gen buyers don't realize it until it's too late?

[BansheeOwnage]

I believe everyone who is going to comment (at least from BioWare side) has done so. The majority of this thread (and the others like it) have been making largely the same points with variation. There is nearly 3 pages of BioWare posts (most were from myself). 

 

The point of my post was to say, if you are going to simply reply with the word "bump" (or some variation within) those that are still reading this thread (ie myself) will never even bother to click on it because the assumption is that the only reply is bump (ie definitely not contributing anything new), and the time is better served on reading other threads. 

 

Furthermore bumping is considered spam and against site rules, my post was to give a warning that warnings may be given to people who are constituting this type of spam. Since in this thread we have been accused of censorship, I feel as though giving this warning was relevant to post.

Just sticky the thread then. Problem solved. Well, not the real problem. But a problem. Honestly, it's bizarre a news post like this wouldn't be stickied to begin with.

[Bryan Johnson]

So why isn't this information somewhere where more people can notice it like gen discussion and why was it unsticked? Are they trying to hide this information so new last gen buyers don't realize it until it's too late?

Because there already is a thread about it in there (not created by BioWare mind you but I did link to this one), there was also one in spoilers I believe (but that one got pushed down by the community fairly quickly), and there was more than 1 in feedback (which also got pushed down by the community).

 

I believe it was unstickied because there was 5 stickies already up there, and generally speaking if you have more than 3 stickies people are far more likely to ignore them completely. I believe one of them was regarding double XP which more people were interested in than this topic.

 

What do you believe the chances of someone who has never bought the game yet, even coming onto the forums before buying it? Especially as their "deciding" factor in terms of buying the game. 

 

Just sticky the thread then. Problem solved. Well, not the real problem. But a problem. Honestly, it's bizarre a news post like this wouldn't be stickied to begin with.

 

The topic was stickied for 2 weeks.

 

What does sticky a thread actually solve, in your opinion? In my opinion it is either to a) curb the amount of potential duplicate threads or inform people who are not aware. 

 

For a) Given this thread has been off sticky for nearly 2 weeks and I have not seen any duplicate topics on this forum (there may be some, but not in droves like other topics have been). 

 

As for I am of the mind that those that are most affected by this (in this particular subforum) are multiplayer players who are likely to play on a regular basis and are forum users. There is very little of that intersect of groups that are not currently aware of this fact. 

[BansheeOwnage]

 

The topic was stickied for 2 weeks.

 

What does sticky a thread actually solve, in your opinion? In my opinion it is either to a) curb the amount of potential duplicate threads or inform people who are not aware. 

 

For a) Given this thread has been off sticky for nearly 2 weeks and I have not seen any duplicate topics on this forum (there may be some, but not in droves like other topics have been). 

 

As for I am of the mind that those that are most affected by this (in this particular subforum) are multiplayer players who are likely to play on a regular basis and are forum users. There is very little of that intersect of groups that are not currently aware of this fact. 

What's the point of not stickying it? It's important information. You can't just say "Oh, I think everyone who cares will have read it already." That's just unrealistic.

[Pork]

Hmmm, what should we sticky, the thread where we discontinue support for thousands of users without warning, or the short lived bug that made a couple of leaderboard die hards cry?

[BansheeOwnage]

Hmmm, what should we sticky, the thread where we discontinue support for thousands of users without warning, or the short lived bug that made a couple of leaderboard die hards cry?

My point exactly. They need to sort out their priorities. Unless they want to pretend the announcement was all a dream... I'm sure they'd like to.

[Pork]

My point exactly. They need to sort out their priorities. Unless they want to pretend the announcement was all a dream... I'm sure they'd like to.

Hmmm, what should we sticky, the thread where we discontinue support for thousands of users without warning, or a poorly made video which could have been made by anyone in a few hours?

 

[CitizenThom]

Bryan Johnson, the only reason this thread has to be bumped is that it isn't stickied. People who paid for the PS3 and Xbox360 version should see this thread every time they sign on.

 

I find the decision to stop supporting consoles by Bioware to be foolish, but clearly Bioware thinks it was the right move to make. So sticky the thread and own the decision. Then all 'bump' posts will go away. You understand that, yes?

 

What is your preference Johnson, bump posts or duplicate threads? The former is less obnoxious, and not even necessary if you sticky the thread.

[Domiel Angelus]

Bryan Johnson, the only reason this thread has to be bumped is that it isn't stickied. People who paid for the PS3 and Xbox360 version should see this thread every time they sign on.

 

I find the decision to stop supporting consoles by Bioware to be foolish, but clearly Bioware thinks it was the right move to make. So sticky the thread and own the decision. Then all 'bump' posts will go away. You understand that, yes?

 

What is your preference Johnson, bump posts or duplicate threads? The former is less obnoxious, and not even necessary if you sticky the thread.

 

That sort of sideways threat is more likely to make the thread be locked rather than stickied.

[GreatBlueHeron]

That sort of sideways threat is more likely to make the thread be locked rather than stickied.

It'll happen eventually. Surprised it hasn't happened yet.

This thread should be permanently stickied at the top of every single Inquisition sub forum. Transparency about this change should have been there from the beginning, especially on the inquisition website. Why wasn't it? Bioware, why did you initially make a quiet announcement packaged as a good thing (ability to move account) with precious little detail? Can you understand why we're so upset?

[CitizenThom]

I didn't understand that I was making a sideways threat. My intended point was that bumping this thread, to keep it on the front page until Bioware does the responsible thing and stickies it, is probably the least disruptive way that people could have used to keep this information on the front page.

 

We didn't populate the front page with multiple threads titled 'sticky the thread already Bioware', we didn't say their mothers smelled of elderberry, we didn't even ask them to get us a shrub. This was about as civilized as any message board disagreement could ever be... and yet we have Bioware folk here playing victim.

 

Seriously, what harm does it do Bioware to simply sticky the thread and stand by their decision? Sticky and lock the thread even.

 

But instead we'll get Bioware on one hand defending the decision, but on the other hand trying to sweep it under the rug. The latter is why the locked thread will happen, it has very little to do with imagined 'sideways threats'.

[Fionna&CakeFan]

The fact that BioWare employees are no longer paying attention to this thread simply proves my point further about sweeping the issue under the rug and trying act like they didn't do anything wrong. A splinter is a small issue, let it stay and fester and it becomes a serious problem. Eventually you have to take action or you will suffer the consequences of your inaction(s).