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[Killroy]

I honestly think Jacob's romance was handled so poorly in ME3 because the devs forgot he was a romance in ME2. They had to scramble to do something and didn't think anyone would mind Jacob suddenly becoming as massive a-hole since he was already a punchline.
Solas' romance, on the other hand, I found to be one of the better romances in Inquisition.

[KaiserShep]

Jacob's romance was done the way it was done because of one incredibly simple reason: He was incredibly unpopular. I can guarentee that BioWare wouldn't have done the same thing with a romance that players actually cared about.

 

Pretty much Jacob's romance in a nutshell. I'm pretty sure they kind of forgot Thane as well. 

 

It was absolutely due to the characters' popularity, the reason why the Jacobmance was handled as it was in 3 due was to it being an unpopular option, same with Morinth.

 

Otherwise, I like the idea of a waifu/manfu possibly dumping the PC for someone else.

 

If the game allows, I can already see a high number of players opting to eliminate either the former LI, their new squeeze, or both. Jacob and Brynne were lucky that Shepard wasn't able to abandon the scientists once the mission was committed. 

 

In any case, there's really no comparison between the two characters, obviously because Solas is clearly more popular, but also because Solas straight up leaves in that same story, whereas Jacob ducks out and just does whatever he's gonna do lightyears away, 'cause the prize was clearly on hold for too long.

[BabyPuncher]

There should definitely be more arcs that have a bitersweet tone.

What there absolutely should not be is more arcs that are pointless. Pointlessness is at the heart of all of BioWare's biggest failings.

Pointlessness and 'bitterness' unfortunately go hand in the hand the majority of the time.

[Han Shot First]

What there absolutely should not be is more arcs that are pointless. Pointlessness is at the heart of all of BioWare's biggest failings.

Pointlessness and 'bitterness' unfortunately go hand in the hand the majority of the time.

 

I agree with the first sentence but not the second.

 

The conclusion of Solas arc I wouldn't consider pointless. It made perfect sense for his character, considering the later reveal, and was a better end for his arc than a cliched happily-ever-after. 

[BabyPuncher]

I would reserve judgement on that until you see how well Solas' apparent godhood is handled in the next game. Frankly, I don't have high expectations.

In any event, that's just one example. I can name a good number of tragic conclusions in stories done very well myself. But for the most part, and particularly in video games, they're clumsy and immature.

[KaiserShep]

I thought the ending of TWD Season 1 was done pretty well. I dare say I got a little verklempt in the throat. 

[Seboist]

There should definitely be more arcs that have a bitersweet tone. 

I'd also dig a dysfunctional love/hate relationship ala Aeon Flux/Trevor Goodchild. That was why I was fond of the idea of TIMxfemshep back in the ME2 days....

[The Heretic of Time]

I honestly think Jacob's romance was handled so poorly in ME3 because the devs forgot he was a romance in ME2. They had to scramble to do something and didn't think anyone would mind Jacob suddenly becoming as massive a-hole since he was already a punchline.
Solas' romance, on the other hand, I found to be one of the better romances in Inquisition.

 

I doubt BioWare forgot about Jacob's romance in ME2...

But like so many things in ME3, Jacob's story-arc got pigeon-holed into one specific direction not taking into account what you did in the previous games. It's not just Jacob that got this treatment, but many other plots and aspects as well, like Udina becoming councilor regardless of your choice in ME1, Mordin wanting to cure the genophage regardless of how you handled things with him in ME2, Cerberus becoming the ISIS of the galaxy with a ton of indoctrinated soldiers under their command regardless of whether you destroyed the collector base or not,the rachni returning in ME3 regardless of whether you killed the queen in ME1, etc.

I'd still say BioWare does imports better than any other company, but it's far from great, especially in ME3.

[malloc]

How do you feel about Happily-Never-After where the LI leaves you without your input? There were a big contrast between Jacob and Solas' fan reaction to being dumped. Jacob cheated on you and then leaves you after knocking up another woman while Solas leaves you after deceiving you. Solas, however, was very positively being received while Jacob was being dreaded. Was it due to the characters' popularity or how the story being presented, so it wouldn't matter if you get dumped if you are being dumped the "right" way? 

Jacob was black, had daddy issues and cheated on Shepard bruh. Martin Luther King didn't die for this smh

[O'Voutie O'Rooney]

 

 I just think they should offer better closure.

So the Jacob romance was foreshadowing the ending(s).

[TheTurtle]

Jacob was black, had daddy issues and cheated on Shepard bruh. Martin Luther King didn't die for this smh

This right here is the biggest problem with Jacob's arc. I mean he was a walking stereotype before ME3 the cheating and knocking up that doctor just drove it over the edge.

[Broganisity]

Jacob was black, had daddy issues and cheated on Shepard bruh. Martin Luther King didn't die for this smh

Its the look on your avie's face that complete's this message for me.

That look of contempt.

mmph.

[Larry-3]

Well, that's not exactly it. If Jacob had actually let you know he was leaving you and then got together with someone else, there wouldn't be a problem. It's the cheating part that pisses people off, not the moving on part.

Jacob could not visit you while you were being held in the Alliance. Miranda mentioned how she could not visit you either. Shepard did not have visitation rights, she was cut off from the rest of the world, and they had her under 24 hour surveillance. In fact, when she is finally released from her room, she has no idea what is going. Anyway, even if Jacob was starting to move on, he had no way of mentioning it to Shepard.

[Suketchi]

Jacob could not visit you while you were being held in the Alliance. Miranda mentioned how she could not visit you either. Shepard did not have visitation rights, she was cut off from the rest of the world, and they had her under 24 hour surveillance. In fact, when she is finally released from her room, she has no idea what is going. Anyway, even if Jacob was starting to move on, he had no way of mentioning it to Shepard.

 

A better man would have waited before getting together with Brynne until he'd made it clear that you were no longer together. Jacob isn't a better man. He's a d**k.

 

I doubt BioWare forgot about Jacob's romance in ME2...

But like so many things in ME3, Jacob's story-arc got pigeon-holed into one specific direction not taking into account what you did in the previous games. It's not just Jacob that got this treatment, but many other plots and aspects as well, like Udina becoming councilor regardless of your choice in ME1, Mordin wanting to cure the genophage regardless of how you handled things with him in ME2, Cerberus becoming the ISIS of the galaxy with a ton of indoctrinated soldiers under their command regardless of whether you destroyed the collector base or not,the rachni returning in ME3 regardless of whether you killed the queen in ME1, etc.

I'd still say BioWare does imports better than any other company, but it's far from great, especially in ME3.

 

I actually like that they do that in ME... at least when it comes to the characters. Story stuff like the Rachni and Cerberus just seems like plain old, 'we don't want to put in the extra programming, and this is how we want the story to go down, so here's how we'll explain away why player choice was irrelevant'. Mordin and Anderson though, I like having limited control over how they evolve throughout the series. Having their own ambitions gives them depth, and that they don't easily falter makes them stronger characters. Yes, it still invalidates player choice...but I don't mind so much, because at least it offers a degree of realism.

[Larry-3]

A better man would have waited before getting together with Brynne until he'd made it clear that you were no longer together. Jacob isn't a better man. He's a d**k.

Jacob is a guy. I am a guy, and I am using that excuse because it is true.

BioWare should have made Jacob in Mass Effect 3 say, "oh yeah, your that chick I new like half a year ago. Couldn't they sent someone better?"

I feel like renegade for stating that, but oh well.

[Broganisity]

Cerberus becoming the ISIS of the galaxy with a ton of indoctrinated soldiers under their command regardless of whether you destroyed the collector base or not.

Illusive Man was undergoing indoctrination due to the rising use of Reaper Tech amongst Cerberus research and his overarching goal of controlling the Reapers to enhance humanity. He wanted to bring you to his side with a false facade of familiar faces feigning- I ran out of F words, ****.

The Collector Base though. . .that was just silly regardless of outcome.

[kathic]

Shepard can break up with anyone at the drop of a dime. It is like the previous relationship never happened. Sorry Liara but I'm trading you in for a new LI. Hope you don't flay me alive.

[Suketchi]

Jacob is a guy. I am a guy, and I am using that excuse because it is true.

BioWare should have made Jacob in Mass Effect 3 say, "oh yeah, your that chick I new like half a year ago. Couldn't they sent someone better?"

I feel like renegade for stating that, but oh well.

 

That, good sir, is sexist. Men are just as capable of remaining faithful partners as women, and women are just as capable of being unfaithful cheaters as men. Some people are just scumbags. Gender is irrelevant.

 

Men just use 'I'm a guy' to justify despicable behaviors so they don't have to feel guilty for it.

[Broganisity]

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[Larry-3]

That, good sir, is sexist. Men are just as capable of remaining faithful partners as women, and women are just as capable of being unfaithful cheaters as men. Some people are just scumbags. Gender is irrelevant.

Men just use 'I'm a guy' to justify despicable behaviors so they don't have to feel guilty for it.

Yeah, that is true, Suketchi. Well if helps, I apologie for the sexiest comment.

[Battlebloodmage]

That, good sir, is sexist. Men are just as capable of remaining faithful partners as women, and women are just as capable of being unfaithful cheaters as men. Some people are just scumbags. Gender is irrelevant.

 

Men just use 'I'm a guy' to justify despicable behaviors so they don't have to feel guilty for it.

A group of my friends, guys and girls, were talking about it, and the general direction seems to be that girls are generally get more offers and often used to it and can be more selective while for guys, it's harder to get laid, so they have to work hard, and they are more likely to give in to the temptation since the chance of hook up is rarer for them. Plus, there is also the social pressure where the more girls you sleep with, the more of an alpha male you are while the more men you sleep with, the more of a **** you are for females. I'm not saying that it's my opinion or that it's true or anything. It's just a conversation I and my friends had the other day.

[The Heretic of Time]

That, good sir, is sexist. Men are just as capable of remaining faithful partners as women, and women are just as capable of being unfaithful cheaters as men. Some people are just scumbags. Gender is irrelevant.

 

Men just use 'I'm a guy' to justify despicable behaviors so they don't have to feel guilty for it.

 

First time I actually agree with a "that's sexist!" comment. 

 

As for men excusing their cheating behavior; I've heard much worse from women to be honest. I had an ex who cheater on me and she tried to spin it in such a way to make it sound like it was all my fault, that I made her cheat. Un-be-f*cking-lievable...

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I think they're both awful and are near the bottom of the list for companions in both games for me, but I still don't think it's a totally fair comparison.

 

The Jacob break up essentially happens off screen, on his end anyway, and when you meet him he's already incredibly serious with someone else despite that his whole romance with FemShep was always about keeping it casual. It makes FemShep look like a complete idiot for letting a guy who apparently had zero genuine interest in her get "the priiiiiiiize" only for him to immediately find someone he actually thinks is worth his time.

 

And then that's compounded by how they wrote the dialogue with a romanced Jacob during that Cerberus Scientist mission. If you've never actually played that scene, let me tell you, it is freaking cruel. If you don't take the options where FemShep is basically like "oh it's cool or whatever that you cheated on me and got another girl pregnant and you want to settle down with her even though you would never give me the time of day that's awesome i'm so happy for you" they make her sound like an absolute crazy woman in the vein of Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. I had zero emotional investment in that romance and only played it out of curiosity and I still felt humilated by the writers. I didn't get into ME until after ME3 came out, but my heart goes out to any FemShep players who genuinely loved Jacob and considered that romance to be their canon and imported their ME2 save only to end up being mocked by the writers for being foolish enough to care.

 

Also Solas isn't human and any Bioware character who isn't human can get away with almost anything (unless their name is Sera) while human characters get threatened with death for minor annoyances, so that probably warps the reception of Solas too, even if his break up with the Inquisitor isn't nearly as dirty.

[BraveVesperia]

Solas' break-up is built into the romance. There's compelling reasons behind it, to do with his character's history, lore etc. You also get to roleplay effectively during that scene (are you angry, distraught, resigned??). I prefer happy romances, personally, but it was very well done.

 

Jacob's break-up only occured because he was unpopular, nothing in his ME2 romance indicates it would go that way. He doesn't seem remotely bothered by it (unlike Solas, who is clearly sad to break up with you). In fact, he's already moved on and knocked up another woman. His justification? "Well, you were on Earth for ages so whatever." And Shep's ability to respond is really hampered. Especially when he talks about naming the baby 'Shepard' and you get the same cutesy/funny conversation you get on the non-romance path.

 

If they want to include a break-up or something in ME:A, it should be part of that romance's development and story. Not shoehorned into the sequel because the writers don't think it's worth continuing that romance arc.

[Zehealingman]

Meh, Solas is a god, there's that hole stuff with Mythal, Quizzy could have drinked from the well, Cory, future DLC, etc ...

Jacob couldn't keep it in his pants.