I've only just recently learnt that damage resistance doesn't work, for physical styles (slash etc).
My project consists of a combat triangle.
Melee > Mage > Range > Melee
Currently what I have;
Metal armour - slash/bludge/pierce resistance.
Leather - Magical resistance.
Cloth (robes) - Slash/Bludge resistance.
Now that I have to scrap that, what alternative could I take to keep the combat triangle balanced for reducing damage on armour?
You might have trouble with the magical resistance (AKA spell resistance) on leather armour:
http://forum.bioware...rking-solution/
Unless it's resistance to actual magic damage (of the sort done by magic missiles), in which case the item property approach would work. Item property resistances *do* work when it comes to resisting energy damage (fire, cold, magic, etc).
as kevl said, there's a difference between damage resistance and damage reduction. damage resistance negates a flat amount of the specified damage and can't be overcome. it's defined in the item's properties of the blueprint. damage reduction negates a flat amount of all incoming damage and can be overcome with a specified damage type. damage reduction is defined in the blueprint's properties.
in your case damage resistance would be best to emulate different armor types. sadly it won't work with physical damage, at all (afaik). you could try to implement a lite version through damage reduction, but this way your armor blocks all incoming damage. say you could define "5/slash" and all damage will be reduced by 5 and only a slashing weapon will overcome this reduction. dunno what happens if you're attacking with magical damage, but i guess it will be reduced too. you could also define a logical combination like "5/slash and piercing". now slashing and piercing weapons will overcome the reduction.
afaik you can't define more than one damage reduction property, only the first entry will work. that's why it will never work the same way as damage resistance of different armor types. perhaps it's possible to script hook the incoming damage and script a working damage resistance solution, but this for sure will be a hell of a work.
It's not that Damage Reduction doesn't work - it has to be implemented properly.
- things changed since NwN, but the old stuff was left in and it gets confusing ...
When you open an item-blueprint in the TS, under Properties|Behavior, there is "Damage Reductions". Creatures have "Damage Reductions" under Properties|Character Sheet. That's the correct way to put DR on an item. Conversely, under "Item Properties" it's possible to put on Damage Resistance w/ some physical type. That's not right.
Basically stay away from Resistances, Immunities, and Vulnerabilities when dealing with physical damage types. They might work or they might not
see:
http://nwn2.wikia.co...mage_Resistance
http://nwn2.wikia.co...amage_reduction
other than that i'm not sure what you're trying to do ...
Woops sorry, I meant resistance xD I play too many games with the word reduction lol
Eghh, I'll try and make it simple;
There's 4 classes in my module.
Fighter, Ranger, Wizard, Rogue.
Fighter is: Strong against Ranger & Rogue / Weak against Wizard
Ranger & Rogue's are: Strong against Wizard / Weak against Fighter
Wizard is: Strong against Fighter / Weak against Ranger & Rogue.
So let's say I'm a fighter with full metal armour (Plate, helmet, shield).
Against a Wizard, I'll be taking more damage.
Against a Fighter, I'll be taking average damage.
Against a Ranger or a Rogue, I'll be taking less damage.
I originally had say, my Iron plate to have;
+5hp
5/ Slash dmg resistance
5/ Pierce dmg resistance
5/ Bludge dmg resistance
I can't exactly use element damage resistance because in my project, it's rarely used.
Does melee damage style work with reduction?
For your plate armour example (DR 5 verses all physical damage), you can add a non-specific damage reduction entry to the item, just like adamantine armour has (although adamantine full plate only has DR 3 in the existing blueprint). For the +5 HP you would add an item property.
I don't see how you'll achieve different damage reduction values verses different classes though. Even if you assume rogues and rangers will be doing piercing damage (which is a big assumption), as Semper suggested it's doubtful that you can have multiple damage reduction entries.
You can create a single amount of damage reduction that can be overcome by multiple physical damage types though, by combining them with an OR operator. If you wanted a certain type of armour to protect only from slashing damage, for instance, you could create a damage reduction entry that can be overcome by piercing OR bludgeoning. Anything other than slashing damage would then get through.
If you wanted to protect from both slashing and piercing, then you would set up the damage reduction to only be overcome by one damage type (bludgeoning).
Since most offensive wizard spells will be doing some sort of elemental damage, no amount of damage REDUCTION will protect from them (which is what you appear to want). Only damage RESISTANCE, or spell resistance (which is bugged), would provide elemental protection. The exceptions will be spells that do physical damage, like blade barrier or earthquake.
For your plate armour example (DR 5 verses all physical damage), you can add a non-specific damage reduction entry to the item, just like adamantine armour has (although adamantine full plate only has DR 3 in the existing blueprint). For the +5 HP you would add an item property.
I don't see how you'll achieve different damage reduction values verses different classes though. Even if you assume rogues and rangers will be doing piercing damage (which is a big assumption), as Semper suggested it's doubtful that you can have multiple damage reduction entries.
You can create a single amount of damage reduction that can be overcome by multiple physical damage types though, by combining them with an OR operator. If you wanted a certain type of armour to protect only from slashing damage, for instance, you could create a damage reduction entry that can be overcome by piercing OR bludgeoning. Anything other than slashing damage would then get through.
If you wanted to protect from both slashing and piercing, then you would set up the damage reduction to only be overcome by one damage type (bludgeoning).
Since most offensive wizard spells will be doing some sort of elemental damage, no amount of damage REDUCTION will protect from them (which is what you appear to want). Only damage RESISTANCE, or spell resistance (which is bugged), would provide elemental protection. The exceptions will be spells that do physical damage, like blade barrier or earthquake.
My project is restricted, weapon and spell wise. A rogue would be smart to use daggers for example, but by all means, they can use swords/scimitars/maces etc but a rogues a rogue and would be no match to 1v1 a fighter.
Then I get confused to hell on the wiki of Dmg Reduction..
Why would the creature receive the full damage if the weapon is silver? If you're 10/silver, shouldn't that take 10 damage off every time you get hit with a silver weapon? Why is it completely the opposite lol
With that being said, if my plate armour had 10/slash, why would slash be strongest against it?
caus yer reading it backwards
The type behind the slash/ is what bypasses reduction
I realized that, I just felt that it was backwards. Imo, it should indicate what damage it does reduct, not what it doesn't.
But thanks for clearing that up.
As for the rest of the reduction type, is that all ok? It takes me a good number of hours editing over 300 items with prices and stats and then the shops, so I'd like to get it perfect.
Does damage reduction magical work for example?
to me, that's a contradiction in terms -- "magical" is a non-physical damage type and should only be used as a ResistanceDoes damage reduction magical work for example?
Ok, so say if I were to;
Plate armour; 15/magical ==== Reduces 15 damage in bludgeoning/pierce/slash (Damage Reduction)
Leather armour; Damage resistance 15/magical ==== Reduces 15 damage on spells
Robes; 15/pierce ==== Reduces 15 damage in slash & Bludgeoning (Damage Reduction)
Then take a look at the combat triangle i demonstrated above (excluding the "assumptions").
Is that do able and will it work. Every corner I turn I seem to find a new broken bug or something.
'Damage reduction verses magical' means that weapons with a magical enhancement (+1, +2, etc) would bypass the damage reduction. You can specify what level of magical weapon is require to negate the damage reduction. For instance, adult dragons have damage reduction verses +2 weapons, so you need at least a +2 magical weapon to negate their damage reduction (a +1 weapon wouldn't do the trick).
Damage reduction will never protect you from spells - expect perhaps for spells that do physical damage (like blade barrier). Even then, it's possible for the spell script to apply damage that ignores reductions or resistances completely.
EffectDamageResistance problem
good luck,
kevL,
Again, thank you so much for addressing the situation, but (now that I'm working on re-working my armours), would it still work in reverse?
So initially I'd want armour weak to spells, So like leather armour which is a 15/ per element, would -15 make spells hit 15 more damage?
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