This web article suggests next-gen DAI be offered to last-gen customers for half price.
http://www.bidnesset...les-an-ethical/
"We, at Bidness Etc feel the move is unethical, because owners of last gen consoles who paid for the game were also naturally looking forward to the DLCs. Given this decision, it would have been more proper that half the price of the game had been charged, or users made aware that all future DLCs would be available for next gen consoles only."
I mean, it should probably at the very least be free for them, considering the expense of buying a whole new console on top of the actual game.
Of course, this could all be easily avoided if people just came to the light, joined the PC master race, and stopped holding gaming back.
get it, but DAI is already half price, which is 29 (although with amazon prime only its 39 without).
Actually the "prime" only indicates that prime is available, so the game is available on Amazon for $30 plus shipping for nex gen (new). Amazon lists used next gen for $20 plus shipping.
I suggest that if the current price is $30, Microsoft and Sony should offer a next-gen download for $15 (half price) to confirmed last gen owners.
And then have the lovely next gen console owners of DA I already start complaining about the unfairness of it all? Not likely.
As an aside I bought DA I twice already, at full price on both console generations...totally worth it.
When did you buy both versions and what was the price?
I do not "foresee" a "logical" issue with lovely next gen console owners, given that the vast majority of next gen console owners (you being an exception) only bought the game once, while last gen owners already bought DAI once on last gen, and will be paying an additional amount ($15??) for the next gen download.
Perhaps this hypothetical offer can be limited to those who have downloaded and paid for "Jaws" DLC
By the way, I own DAI on PC and do not own a console.
I feel strongly about this as a quality assurance engineer, and believe that excellent companies should be ethical and offer good "value" for new AND exisitng customers.
get it, but DAI is already half price, which is 29 (although with amazon prime only its 39 without).
That's enterily dependant on where you live. Even if you can get game that cheap on Amazon US they will ad 20 dollars taxes and shipping if you try to buy game to Europe from there. If you aren't into internet shopping the game is still 65 euros where I live which is over 70 dollars, the price hasn't really dropped at all here.
People are acting like this shift is something new. I'm entirely sympathetic to those that were affected, but the entitlement is ridiculous.
A lot of software packages receive upgrades that only allow them to work on newer OS iterations, while dropping support for older ones.
This essentially forces users to upgrade their computer systems in order to use the software.
Of course for most software, the shift is more gradual thus giving more time to consumers. The difference here is that consoles are essentially limited computers, which means their lifetime is much smaller. Video games should not get their own set of rules.
As a PC user, I can run games while barely meeting the minumum settings, but sometimes DLC exceeds those minimum requirements and while I can play the game, it's often incredibly unstable.
Futhermore, there is no ethical issue here, because the false expectation of potential value does not translate to value itself.
BioWare doesn't owe any DLC to anyone. Expecting DLC is logical, but the game itself is a full entity that was paid for. Any additions are at the discretion of the producer. There is no discrimination here when there is a very valid reason, being that old-gen software cannot run the DLC with the minimum necessary stability required from game developers for consoles.
Enough of this farce.
Upgrade your 10-year old systems and get with the times to avoid dealing with this unfortunate circumstance.
I had to invest about 500 Euro in upgrades for my PC to be able to play DA:I (and Witcher 3).
I don´t understand all this bickering and the demand for refunds or a cheaper game.
Everyone with a newer system had to pay for it! Why should those who didn´t get any kind of special treatment?
@Lebanese Dude: Enough of this farce, indeed. 
And then have the lovely next gen console owners of DA I already start complaining about the unfairness of it all? Not likely.
As an aside I bought DA I twice already, at full price on both console generations...totally worth it.
I'm on Next Gen and I think it was a dick move and super anti-consumer along with their choice to have DLC timed exclusivity.
The only reason last gen users would be upset about this is because they want to play future PAID for DLC.... So why not let them upgrade at an extremely reduced rate/free?
I had to invest about 500 Euro in upgrades for my PC to be able to play DA:I (and Witcher 3).
I don´t understand all this bickering and the demand for refunds or a cheaper game.
Everyone with a newer system had to pay for it! Why should those who didn´t get any kind of special treatment?
@Lebanese Dude: Enough of this farce, indeed.
Did you have to buy two copies of the same game? Pre and Post upgrade... don't think so.
Infact I'm pretty sure you could transfer your entire Origin account to a new PC and still use that original game.
@scene: Fricking 30 Euro for a second game compared to 500 Euro worth of upgrades?
I´m in tears about this unfairness.
Sarcasm aside, no, I didn´t have to buy a second game. But I often do (in the hope my sister will play them).
@scene: Fricking 30 Euro for a second game compared to 500 Euro worth of upgrades?
I´m in tears about this unfairness.
Sarcasm aside, no, I didn´t have to buy a second game. But I often do (in the hope my sister will play them).
How much Euro is a new next gen console? So they need to buy a completely new system and a second copy of the game
You see the problem here.
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Situation with consoles is not comparable with PC. PC can have endless combinations of software and hardware and you can often upgrade within same machine. However console can't be upgraded, you can't change parts of PS3 to make PS4. You need to buy entirely new console. Also when you buy console game that says PS3 it's 100% sure (expect DAI) that it will work on you system. There is no requirements like in PC, it's PS3 game and it will work on PS3 unless it's broken.
Upgrading is not possible (maybe you can increase ROM or replace broken part, but not make it more powerful really) and it's quite never heard of that the game version doesn't have DLC's on some consoles it's released, this is slap in the face from Bioware that no old gen owner could have expected. This is not PC we are talking about and shouldn't be treated like one.
How much Euro is a new next gen console? So they need to buy a completely new system and a second copy of the game
You see the problem here.
How is that a problem?
When the major shift from physical to digital music happened, nobody QQ'd about having to buy songs they owned on tapes and CDs on iTunes.
How is this any different? Yeah you could play the music on either system, but somewhere down the line you're cut off.
People seem to think they're entitled to software.
Here's another analogy.
You have two sets of scuba gear. One of them is somewhat deprecated while the other has a camera attachment functionality.
Sure you can use both sets to explore the Red Sea (play DAI), but if you wanna take pictures as an addon to your experience (buy DLC), then you're out of luck if you bought the deprecated set.
Are you suddenly entitled to a free exchange after having USED the bad suit and discovering that you could attach a camera AFTER having already used the suit and done your entire trip (finished DAI, the base complete game).
Hell to the ****** no.
The idea of software being a transferable entity is a misconception. It's not.
How is that a problem?
When the major shift from physical to digital music happened, nobody QQ'd about having to buy songs they owned on tapes and CDs on iTunes.
How is this any different? Yeah you could play the music on either system, but somewhere down the line you're cut off.
Big difference being you weren't left with only a partial album on CD with the rest of it being itunes exclusive. DA:I isn't over, yet, but a portion of the game isn't going to be available to Inquisitors from older gen consoles now.
I'm glad they're moving on to the newer hardware, but dropping support mid-game cycle so that older gen players have to spend hundreds of dollars just to finish off their Inquisitor's story with the DLC that will be released... I can see why people are upset. lol
Big difference being you weren't left with only a partial album on CD with the rest of it being itunes exclusive. DA:I isn't over, yet, but a portion of the game isn't going to be available to Inquisitors from older gen consoles now.
No.
You bought the entire CD. There is nothing partial about it. DAI was a complete game upon release. Patches and DLC are released at the discretion of the developers in order to appease customers/make money.
The analogy here is that the DLC is a re-release of the original CD with new bonus tracks but now is only digital.
If you want the new music, that's awesome, but you gotta buy the entire set.
I'm glad they're moving on to the newer hardware, but dropping support mid-game cycle so that older gen players have to spend hundreds of dollars just to finish off their Inquisitor's story with the DLC that will be released... I can see why people are upset. lol
I'm not a fan of what they did either. If it were up to me, I'd give everyone who bought the game on old-gen an upgrade. I just don't like how it's being called unethical. It's not. It's just unfair, but so are a lot of things in life.
Hell, it's not even BioWare's decision so blaming them is pointless. The ones who manage their distribution is EA, and ultimately it's their decision.
This entire debacle is just a good shot in the arm for the realities of software deprecation. People need to upgrade their systems every four years, even if they're consoles, if they want to remain with the times and avoid frustration such as this.
No.
You bought the entire CD. There is nothing partial about it. DAI was a complete game upon release. Patches and DLC are released at the discretion of the developers in order to appease customers/make money.
Is it really a complete game, though? I mean I suppose it depends on the actual story content in the DLC. Like, would I say Origins is complete without needing to play Awakening? Yes. But would I say ME2 is complete without Lair or Arrival? No. ME3 without Citadel? Hell no.
This is going to be especially true if, story-wise, they're going to assume your Inquisitor participated in the events of said DLC for the next game. Like how they assume Hawke did Legacy, even though I personally havn't gone thru that DLC with a Hawke yet. Which is fine and a personal choice at the moment, etc. But this situation is different b/c you CAN'T continue your Inquisitor's story, unless you spend a few hundred dollars on a new console or have a PC that can run DA:I.
Its an untenable situation. I don't want the content of DLC to suffer cus of the old gen holding it back. But old gen users *are* being cheated, in my opinion. The only reasonable solution would have been to deny old gen from the beginning, but that's crying over spilt milk, obviously.
Is it really a complete game, though? I mean I suppose it depends on the actual story content in the DLC. Like, would I say Origins is complete without needing to play Awakening? Yes. But would I say ME2 is complete without Lair or Arrival? No. ME3 without Citadel? Hell no.
I agree with the notion that DLC enhance the base game, sometimes in critical ways such as story. I have bought every single story DLC ever released by BioWare. I can't play without them.
That doesn't change the fact that they only complement the experience. You can still play the game without them. Their worth is entirely subjective to the player. Those that don't give a damn about story but play MP don't care about the SP DLC.
This is going to be especially true if, story-wise, they're going to assume your Inquisitor participated in the events of said DLC for the next game. Like how they assume Hawke did Legacy, even though I personally havn't gone thru that DLC with a Hawke yet. Which is fine and a personal choice at the moment, etc. But this situation is different b/c you CAN'T continue your Inquisitor's story, unless you spend a few hundred dollars on a new console or have a PC that can run DA:I.
That's what the Keep is for though.
It's not a perfect solution by any means, but at least it's something.
People are going to have to upgrade their systems if they want to play the next Dragon Age or MEA for that matter.
Is it really a complete game, though? I mean I suppose it depends on the actual story content in the DLC. Like, would I say Origins is complete without needing to play Awakening? Yes. But would I say ME2 is complete without Lair or Arrival? No. ME3 without Citadel? Hell no.
This is going to be especially true if, story-wise, they're going to assume your Inquisitor participated in the events of said DLC for the next game. Like how they assume Hawke did Legacy, even though I personally havn't gone thru that DLC with a Hawke yet. Which is fine and a personal choice at the moment, etc. But this situation is different b/c you CAN'T continue your Inquisitor's story, unless you spend a few hundred dollars on a new console or have a PC that can run DA:I.
Its an untenable situation. I don't want the content of DLC to suffer cus of the old gen holding it back. But old gen users *are* being cheated, in my opinion. The only reasonable solution would have been to deny old gen from the beginning, but that's crying over spilt milk, obviously.
It is a complete game. It is absolutely debatable of whether you, say, like the ending or not, no doubt, but it is nevertheless the ending of the main story the game tells. Can't speak for ME3 yet, but for ME2 it is the same: the story of the main game is complete and works with or without the DLC - which is not to say that Lair and Arrival aren't awesome and enriching the experience and all. I wouldn't miss them for anything the world, but by no means would I claim that they delivered an incomplete game without them.
The reason why some people argue the game is not complete seems to be a certain bit that happens after the credits (which in itself should be a clue), but that is a teaser at best. What if, say, this thing wouldn't even be mentioned/resolved in any of the upcoming DLC, but in the next game? Are we then all entitled to get DA4 to be released on all platforms because that "loose end" made DAI incomplete?
Don't get me wrong: I completely sympathize with the people who are now left out by this decision. I can understand their anger - and personally, I'd also find it a fair move to give out the game at a reduced price for players who bought it on the old gen. It's unfair, yes. But claiming a concluded narrative is not a "complete game" in order to justify some entitlement for DLC-support? Nope, don't see that at all.
I think Bioware needs to make a remake of DA:I exclusivly on the next-gen, so us poor XB1/PS4 users can get a version of the game unencumbered by the last gen.
*sips lemon-cactus soft drink*
How is that a problem?
When the major shift from physical to digital music happened, nobody QQ'd about having to buy songs they owned on tapes and CDs on iTunes.
How is this any different? Yeah you could play the music on either system, but somewhere down the line you're cut off.
People seem to think they're entitled to software.
Here's another analogy.
You have two sets of scuba gear. One of them is somewhat deprecated while the other has a camera attachment functionality.
Sure you can use both sets to explore the Red Sea (play DAI), but if you wanna take pictures as an addon to your experience (buy DLC), then you're out of luck if you bought the deprecated set.
Are you suddenly entitled to a free exchange after having USED the bad suit and discovering that you could attach a camera AFTER having already used the suit and done your entire trip (finished DAI, the base complete game).
Hell to the ****** no.
The idea of software being a transferable entity is a misconception. It's not.
Both of your arguments are flawed.
1. If you bought a CD you can convert it to digital and play it in itunes in whatever format you want... You can even choose lossless compression.
Or not play it at all in iTunes because it's the biggest piece of bloatware ever....
2. The scuba gear would have to be exactly the same base package to begin with. At no point did the Scuba company say "Oh btw if you buy this one you wont get his addon 8 months later"
Did you have to buy two copies of the same game? Pre and Post upgrade... don't think so.
Infact I'm pretty sure you could transfer your entire Origin account to a new PC and still use that original game.
I can tell you for a fact you can do that.
I did.
Everyone with a newer system had to pay for it! Why should those who didn´t get any kind of special treatment?
@Lebanese Dude: Enough of this farce, indeed.
Because they had this really silly thought in their head that if they buy a game on a particular platform it will be supported on that platform for the entire cycle of the game.
Customers are funny that way.
Both of your arguments are flawed.
1. If you bought a CD you can convert it to digital and play it in itunes in whatever format you want... You can even choose lossless compression.
Or not play it at all in iTunes because it's the biggest piece of bloatware ever....
It's not a perfect analogy. If you want to get anal about it, then pretend I'm talking about tapes. Hell if you want to talk about old-gen, then a gramophone record is more applicable ... The point still stands.
2. The scuba gear would have to be exactly the same base package to begin with. At no point did the Scuba company say "Oh btw if you buy this one you wont get his addon 8 months later"
Someone call the analogy police.
It's impossible for them to be the same base package, because different systems are constructed in inherently different ways. The game may be the same, but it's still adapted for different systems. To put it simply, if a PS3 and a PS4 DAI are built and function in the exact same way, then what's the point of upgrading?
If you want to get anal about it yet again, then suppose that the two types of scuba gear look and feel the same, but suit A is made of advanced materials that support a camera while suit B doesn't. At the time, the consumer wasn't aware of that fact because it was irrelevant to the scuba diving experience. In the future, the creators of the scuba gear decide to construct a camera that can only work on suit A. If you bought suit B, then tough luck.
There. Happy?
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