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[Father_Jerusalem]

Except she didn't

 

"Someone should just make these people their very own complaints thread. Smh. "

http://forum.bioware...3#entry19543177

 

 

Except that pretty well reeks of "If you didn't like the DLC, you aren't allowed to discuss it here."

[Father_Jerusalem]

So...no, then. 

 

Someday, I really hope you get over this problem you have with being unable to read. All my thoughts and prayers are with you during this trying time. You can do it, Timmy. I BELIEVE IN YOU.

[AresKeith]

"Someone should just make these people their very own complaints thread. Smh. "

http://forum.bioware...3#entry19543177

 

 

Except that pretty well reeks of "If you didn't like the DLC, you aren't allowed to discuss it here."

 

Or it's directed at people who constantly finds something to complain about and yes that does get annoying

[AresKeith]

Conversely those who are constantly bashing last-gen owners and telling to simply "get over it" gets annoying, in fact it's beyond annoying and has gotten stale. 

 

Personally I said say the entire thing got annoying and stale since it's just turning into people throwing insults at each other acting childish

[Madrict]

No, they delivered a finished product.

 

I am glad they dropped last gen, hopefully better DLCs will be the result

[Father_Jerusalem]

Or it's directed at people who constantly finds something to complain about and yes that does get annoying

 

Oh, opinions are no longer allowed here, unless they're verbal blowjobs. Got it. Sure wish they would have just put that in the ToS, it's so easy to overlook otherwise.

[Father_Jerusalem]

No, they delivered a finished product.

 

I am glad they dropped last gen, hopefully better DLCs will be the result

 

Spoiler alert: They won't be, going by the "quality" of The Descent.

[AresKeith]

Oh, opinions are no longer allowed here, unless they're verbal blowjobs. Got it. Sure wish they would have just put that in the ToS, it's so easy to overlook otherwise.

 

If you wanna twist words and take it out of context go ahead....

[Morroian]

No, they delivered a finished product.

 

I am glad they dropped last gen, hopefully better DLCs will be the result

 

Yet we got Descent.

[Panda]

What I'm trying to get across to you is that neither of us is a victim. 

 

Nope. What you are trying to get across is that you think you deserve more than I do. In your mind you would even deserve more than you got and I should be grateful for getting lot less than you do even if I paid same price. That makes no sense.

[correctamundo]

Yet we got Descent.

 

And thank the maker for that =).

[Father_Jerusalem]

And thank the maker for that =).

 

Ew.

[Panda]

Personally I said say the entire thing got annoying and stale since it's just turning into people throwing insults at each other acting childish

 

Well old gen gamers myself included have been annoyed since release of the game and this annoyment only growing with each time Bioware decides to slap us in the face.. Can't we even once get good news? I have waited for ages for Bioware patch old gen version of DAI so it doesn't hard freeze in Hinderlands (it crashes elsewhere as well, but mostly there). I have waited for texture fix so Cullen's eyebrowns don't go off/on, off/on, off/on.. every cutscene (it's distracting). I have waited for proper text fix so I could actually read texts in the game without straining my eyes, but BW only patched subtitles (not dialogue wheel, war table, quest info, codexes etc.). I have waited them to do something about sound clitches so very weird and creepy screecthing noise that is no way related to game doesn't come up once a while when I play. I have waited when Bioware will finally patch and fix my game.. and instead of getting information that finally they will patch it they gave us information that they won't be patching anything for us anymore.

 

And that we won't be getting any DLC's.. and all this information hidden, BW are too cowardice to even gave it straight up to people in News and Announcements ,they have to hide it behind "good news" of save importer and then behind multiplayer- combat strategy subforum.

[Avejajed]

Aww, I think your brain just leaked out of your ears. You might want to have that looked at.

I'm not poor? The place I live I am only allowed to rent because I was pathetic enough that the property manager felt sympathy for me and let me get a lower rent than usual, and it's a little 1 bedroom apartment. Before that I lived in a quasi-hotel room that only had a bathroom attached to a bedroom, no kitchen or anything (I had less living space than most people's garage's have). I need foodstampts to survive, I would literally starve without it. I only got my first hdtv ever this year, and it took tax returns to do it (and even then it was just a 400 dollar plasma that only goes to 720p native). I need to get a Wii U in 4 months for Xenoblade X, and I've been wanting to save for months but haven't been able to because money has been so tight. I haven't even gotten anywhere on the saving, I'm no closer to affording a Wii U now than I was several months ago. My 360 died 3 months back (a 2006 model that somehow survived the red ring of death for 9 years), so I've been stuck with only my PS3 and my Wii, both of which weren't my main console and I have less games for them than my 360. I can't afford to get a new 360 or repair it, so I won't be able to play any of my 360 games again until at least after I get a Wii U in the next age. And I want a PS4 someday, but that this rate I'll only be able to afford that a year into the PS5's release. My 360 I only got because my sister's husband didn't want his anymore and sold it to me for a mere 100 bucks. My PS3 (the first slim model) was a Christmas present from my mother, and I don't even know how she afforded it... Despite me already being an adult by then which means it should be my responsibility to use my own financial means to get stuff, yet she still shelled out for the best Christmas present ever simply because she knew I was stressed out about not being able to get one on my own. I can't even afford a new Nintendo DS Lite after my last one broke.

So, here I am as a gamer. Broke as a Chantry Mouse. Don't talk about what you don't understand. You basically just said that poor people shouldn't be allowed to have a hobby, and if you have one then you're not poor. Apparently you think poor people live in homes with grass roofs and dirt floors and their only entertaining is mindless tv or book reading.

No, you're right. I apologize. It's not up to me to define poor. It's just hard for me to imagine someone who has four consoles, internet, and subscription services, as truly poor.

But as you pointed out, it was wrong of me and I apologize.

[Iakus]

Everyone had the same lack of information.

 

That all of them guessed, and some of them were wrong, doesn't make that guess somehow legitimate.

The point is no on should have had to guess.

 

We shouldn't have to play a shell game and play "where's the support?" when buying a game.

[pdusen]

This is all off-topic. I couldn't possibly care less who can afford what. It has nothing to do with whether the last-gen drop is ethical.

 

As far as patches go, despite whatever bugs remain, the game is clearly playable on old platforms, because people can play through it on those platforms and have done so (and, evidently, have enjoyed it enough to want to buy DLC). So, I won't be addressing patches any further here.

 

The way I see it, as other have said, is that this complaint has nothing to do with old platforms being dropped and everything to do with other platforms *not* being dropped. New platforms are now getting the option of buying new content that old platforms are not. Is it unfair? Sure, you can make that point. I'm sure many in Bioware are less than thrilled about having to make this choice for precisely that reason.

 

But the fact of the matter is, old-gen players, like new-gen ones, have been sold a game. They received the game that was advertised. It has bugs, but it works, and works well enough that there is at least *some* demand for more (as this thread demonstrates). They were not sold a promise of future DLC, but some were released anyway (in the form of JOH and whatever multiplayer DLC went out before now).

 

Now Bioware has decided not to release any more content for those platforms, for reasons I'm sure are probably financial (I suspect not enough people bought it on those platforms to justify the cost of continuing to QA them). Nothing is being stolen, no promise being broken, they simply are not releasing for those platforms any further.

 

Yes, it sucks for those still on old platforms. It sucks a lot. Bioware should remember this and take measures to prevent anything like it from happening again. But, none of us were owed any more DLC. If we were, they would be coming out for free instead of being available for a new price tag.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The point is no on should have had to guess.

We shouldn't have to play a shell game and play "where's the support?" when buying a game.

What alternative would you propose? They they make a binding commitment to supporthe for a certain length of time?

Again, I will not accept that anyone experiences harship based on something that happens only to other people.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The way I see it, as other have said, is that this complaint has nothing to do with old platforms being dropped and everything to do with other platforms *not* being dropped.

Furthermore, we've established that BioWare is permitted to simply stop supporting the game and stop releasing DLC when they like.

So, for people to be upset, what they're really upset about is that other people still get support. They're annoyed that BioWare continues to patch and release DLC for some platforms. They're shouting down people who have more, even though they themselves have enough.

Is inequality that much of a hardship? If they think so, then the real world must infuriate them.

[pdusen]

Furthermore, we've established that BioWare is permitted to simply stop supporting the game and stop releasing DLC when they like.

So, for people to be upset, what they're really upset about is that other people still get support. They're annoyed that BioWare continues to patch and release DLC for some platforms. They're shouting down people who have more, even though they themselves have enough.

Is inequality that much of a hardship? If they think so, then the real world must infuriate them.

 

I don't blame them for being angry. I might be too, in that position. They should remember this the next time they are considering a Bioware game. But ethically, there isn't really a problem here.

[Iakus]

What alternative would you propose? They they make a binding commitment to supporthe for a certain length of time?
 

Yes.  All platforms should be supported for the same length of time.

 

Or, should that somehow prove to be impossible, to come clean about it as soon as possible, be contrite about not being able to do right by your customers, and (ideally) offer some kind of restitution. 

[Spankatola]

Nope. What you are trying to get across is that you think you deserve more than I do. In your mind you would even deserve more than you got and I should be grateful for getting lot less than you do even if I paid same price. That makes no sense.

 

Blame yourself if it makes no sense, you invented that context, just as you invented a mid-game release cycle concept. The new gen / old gen fight has nothing to do with me. Like I told that other, angrier guy, that's not baggage I'm willing to carry. I've been gaming for decades on every platform (though never all at once, money doesn't grow on trees). So I'm only going to say this once more: neither of us deserves anything more than what we got. Continued support, DLCs - these things are nice, but not promised. They're dependent upon developer interest, which is itself dependent on customer support, both real and theoretical. Common sense tells you that new content isn't going to be developed for your platform forever.

 

You realize you're bitching about the ability to purchase extra content, not the content itself? You admit you have no right to that extra content, right? At least come that far with me.

[Panda]

Blame yourself if it makes no sense, you invented that context, just as you invented a mid-game release cycle concept. The new gen / old gen fight has nothing to do with me. Like I told that other, angrier guy, that's not baggage I'm willing to carry. I've been gaming for decades on every platform (though never all at once, money doesn't grow on trees). So I'm only going to say this once more: neither of us deserves anything more than what we got. Continued support, DLCs - these things are nice, but not promised. They're dependent upon developer interest, which is itself dependent on customer support, both real and theoretical. Common sense tells you that new content isn't going to be developed for your platform forever.

 

You realize you're bitching about the ability to purchase extra content, not the content itself? You admit you have no right to that extra content, right? At least come that far with me.

 

I meant middle game-release or more like middle of lifespan of the game with that. Meaning the time period from release to last DLC/patch game receives.

 

I do deserve more than what I got and that's why I'm commenting here.

 

In terms of DLC it's about ability to purchase it, about patches and free multiplayer content it's about content itself that we in old gen are lacking.

 

Seriously my thought process on this isn't so hard to get- Bioware simply should support all platforms they released game on with patches and DLC's and if they don't shame for them.

[pdusen]

Well keep this attitude in mind if/when Microsoft decides to abandon console gaming altogether and decides to relegate all future releases as PC-exclusives. It will be interesting to see if current gen owners don't feel like it's an "ethical problem" when the console they shelled out 500+ bucks for at launch (it is important for next-geners to remind us of this because that is why they feel so superior and entitled to services and support that we do not/should not have, because money  ) will be really interesting to see. 

 

 

I'm not really sure where you're going with this argument. In the highly unlikely scenario that Microsoft stops releasing new consoles, the current console would still keep receiving new releases from other developers until the next console generation at the very least. People would just switch to a different platform, then.

 

 

I do deserve more than what I got and that's why I'm commenting here.

 

I'm sorry, but I can't see anything that entitles you (or any of us, really) to future DLC releases.