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[Spankatola]

I meant middle game-release or more like middle of lifespan of the game with that. Meaning the time period from release to last DLC/patch game receives.

 

I do deserve more than what I got and that's why I'm commenting here.

 

In terms of DLC it's about ability to purchase it, about patches and free multiplayer content it's about content itself that we in old gen are lacking.

 

Seriously my thought process on this isn't so hard to get- Bioware simply should support all platforms they released game on with patches and DLC's and if they don't shame for them.

 

Yeah, I get your thought process. I just don't agree with it, at all. This is why I called it entitled oh so many pages ago. Because you think you're entitled to more than what you got, more even than what I got! A promise to support forever, a promise to give access to any DLC that comes along. I don't even have that promise. Like others have pointed out, "equality amongst platforms" isn't a real thing, it's just a construct to justify your otherwise unjustifiable hurt feelings.

[AresKeith]

Yeah, I get your thought process. I just don't agree with it, at all. This is why I called it entitled oh so many pages ago. Because you think you're entitled to more than what you got, more even than what I got! I promise to support forever, a promise to give access to any DLC that comes along. I don't even have that promise. Like others have pointed out, "equality amongst platforms" isn't a real thing, it's just a construct to justify your otherwise unjustifiable hurt feelings.

 

I'd say that's pretty justified tbh

[Spankatola]

I'd say that's pretty justified tbh

 

Fair enough, but I can't agree. The Sword of Damocles has been hanging over old gen platforms for a while now, by a gordian knot! Or something.

[Panda]

Yeah, I get your thought process. I just don't agree with it, at all. This is why I called it entitled oh so many pages ago. Because you think you're entitled to more than what you got, more even than what I got! A promise to support forever, a promise to give access to any DLC that comes along. I don't even have that promise. Like others have pointed out, "equality amongst platforms" isn't a real thing, it's just a construct to justify your otherwise unjustifiable hurt feelings.

 

I'm not entitled more than you got though? I think all platforms owners should be entitled approximately same patch and DLC-wise.

 

Also you are just exaggerating so much. None spoke about support forever, I don't expect devs to support DAI even 5 years, 2 would be most likely. And when I buy game I'm expecting that all DLC's of the game are available for me to buy and it will get patched properly as well- so it gets supported on my platform as long as in other platforms.

[AresKeith]

Fair enough, but I can't agree. The Sword of Damocles has been hanging over old gen platforms for a while now, by a gordian knot! Or something.

 

That's one way to say it lol

[FKA_Servo]

It's a fair expectation, insofar as dropping support for a game mid DLC cycle is unprecedented as far as I can tell (with the ironic exception of the WiiU ME3 release - way to be at the vanguard, EA). If I was an old gen player, I would expect support and access to all DLC, though I would expect the experience to be consistently disappointing throughout.

 

The unfortunate thing is that I doubt it's even possible to fix the problems with old gen with patches, because you can't patch in better hardware.

[Iakus]

Yeah, I get your thought process. I just don't agree with it, at all. This is why I called it entitled oh so many pages ago. Because you think you're entitled to more than what you got, more even than what I got! A promise to support forever, a promise to give access to any DLC that comes along. I don't even have that promise. Like others have pointed out, "equality amongst platforms" isn't a real thing, it's just a construct to justify your otherwise unjustifiable hurt feelings.

Actually, what Panda wants is nothing more or less than what you or I got:  a fully supported game.

[Spankatola]

I'm not entitled more than you got though? I think all platforms owners should be entitled approximately same patch and DLC-wise.

 

Also you are just exaggerating so much. None spoke about support forever, I don't expect devs to support DAI even 5 years, 2 would be most likely. And when I buy game I'm expecting that all DLC's of the game are available for me to buy and it will get patched properly as well- so it gets supported on my platform as long as in other platforms.

 

Okay, I'm stepping out of the argument circle here. Good luck on your quest, truly.

[AresKeith]

It's a fair expectation, insofar as dropping support for a game mid DLC cycle is unprecedented as far as I can tell (with the ironic exception of the WiiU ME3 release - way to be at the vanguard, EA). If I was an old gen player, I would expect support and access to all DLC, though I would expect the experience to be consistently disappointing throughout.

 

The unfortunate thing is that I doubt it's even possible to fix the problems with old gen with patches, because you can't patch in better hardware.

 

That's why I say DAI was unfortunately caught in the generational shift

[Sylvius the Mad]

Yes. All platforms should be supported for the same length of time.

No, that's crazy. The same shouldn't matter. If you get enough, there's no reason to complain that others get more.

I was asking if there should be a mandatory minimum amount of support, so that players could know that they would get at least that.

Because once you get what you expect, you should be satisfied.

That someone else gets more doesn't change what you got, so it shouldn't change your opinion of what you got.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'm not entitled more than you got though? I think all platforms owners should be entitled approximately same patch and DLC-wise.

Why?

We could satisfy that requirement by having some people get less than they otherwise would. Why would we want to deprive people of DLC?

[Panda]

Why?

We could satisfy that requirement by having some people get less than they otherwise would. Why would we want to deprive people of DLC?

 

I'm not sure if I follow you, since that is what happened- some people were deprived from DLC?

[Iakus]

No, that's crazy. The same shouldn't matter. If you get enough, there's no reason to complain that others get more.

I was asking if there should be a mandatory minimum amount of support, so that players could know that they would get at least that.

Because once you get what you expect, you should be satisfied.

That someone else gets more doesn't change what you got, so it shouldn't change your opinion of what you got.

And why shouldn't people expect to receive support for the entire cycle of the game?  Shouldn't that be the "minimum"? 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Actually, what Panda wants is nothing more or less than what you or I got: a fully supported game.

And my issue is with the definition of "fully supported".

Since that definition would be met now if they stopped supporting all platforms, that tells me that a platforms have already received full support, and now some are merely getting bonus support.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'm not sure if I follow you, since that is what happened- some people were deprived from DLC?

No, I'm saying that people's request for equality means that we could achieve that by taking away everyone's DLC.

And I'm asking how that makes things better. Taking the DLC away from PS4 users doesn't in any way improve the lives of PS3 users, and yet that would make people stop complaining.

That's what's crazy.

Would you be complaining about a lack of support if all of the patches and DLC that were available for all of the platforms was the entirety of the support for any platform? I mean, if instead of announcing they were dropping last-gen support, they'd anniunced that they were dropping all support, you you still he complaining that your game wasn't fully supported?

I don't think you would, and that's why I don't think your objections now make any sense.

[Sylvius the Mad]

And why shouldn't people expect to receive support for the entire cycle of the game? Shouldn't that be the "minimum"?

Because that standard is too fluid.

If the cycle were over already, would people still be complaining about this? If not, then there's no reason to be complaining about it now.

[DOsquareZER]

 

You do realize that most people (even middle-class wealthy people) save up to get these consoles one at a time and months in-between? And that they don't just fly out to the nearest Wal*Mart or Gamestop in town to spend upwards of 2 grand to have all of these things at once and at launch? Also some people still use dial-up, yes hard to believe I know but people who rely on an internet connection but cannot afford premium services wind up getting bottom of the barrel because that is what they can afford so long as it provides the bare-bones basic necessities such as email and basic browser support. 

 

Well keep this attitude in mind if/when Microsoft decides to abandon console gaming altogether and decides to relegate all future releases as PC-exclusives. It will be interesting to see if current gen owners don't feel like it's an "ethical problem" when the console they shelled out 500+ bucks for at launch (it is important for next-geners to remind us of this because that is why they feel so superior and entitled to services and support that we do not/should not have, because money  ) will be really interesting to see. 

 

 

You know nothing, Jon Snow.  Wannabe Keyboard Warrior.

[Dabrikishaw]

Someone once made the claim that if Inquisition was next gen only, people would have complained, simply because this is the BSN and complaining happens over everything.

 

I'm reasonably sure that if Inquisition was released for all platforms but with no DLC for anyone, yes people would complain.

[AresKeith]

Someone once made the claim that if Inquisition was next gen only, people would have complained, simply because this is the BSN and complaining happens over everything.

 

There would've been some complaints but nothing major imho

[Dabrikishaw]

There would've been some complaints but nothing major imho

Agreed. 

[Panda]

No, I'm saying that people's request for equality means that we could achieve that by taking away everyone's DLC.

And I'm asking how that makes things better. Taking the DLC away from PS4 users doesn't in any way improve the lives of PS3 users, and yet that would make people stop complaining.

That's what's crazy.

Would you be complaining about a lack of support if all of the patches and DLC that were available for all of the platforms was the entirety of the support for any platform? I mean, if instead of announcing they were dropping last-gen support, they'd anniunced that they were dropping all support, you you still he complaining that your game wasn't fully supported?

I don't think you would, and that's why I don't think your objections now make any sense.

 

Actually it's not crazy, since humans tend to measure everything on what others have, poverty, success and so on.

 

If there was no DLC's for DAI people would be asking for more content. Depending on how much they were satisfied with ground game, the requests could be more on angry or more on polite side ^^;  Of course there wouldn't be this setting of old gen players versus new gen and PC players.

 

Asking for patch support would happen anyways until people are satisfied with condition of  the game. Of course I'd still be asking for patch support, my game hard freezes every 5 hours, pretty much everytime I play DAI I have one hard freeze. Hard freezes in general are rare on PS3 and there is no other game that would freeze up like DAI does. Also there is other things that would need patching, but aren't going to get it. I have been asking patching for these things long time before this information of dropping patch support on old gen.

 

In general I'd be less angry if everyone would be on same boat since then it wouldn't be unfair and I wouldn't need to deal with elitist new-gen owners, but still it would mean that Bioware's game would still be broken and would lack DLC content so I'd be complaining there even then.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Unequal is not the same as unfair.

There's no fairness angle here.

[Iakus]

Because that standard is too fluid.

If the cycle were over already, would people still be complaining about this? If not, then there's no reason to be complaining about it now.

Sure they'd be complaining.  Because there's still bugs in the game.  The banter issue, missing amulets, etc.

 

But they're dropping the cycle for some players but not for others.  That's being seen as an especially di...poor move.

 

If they dropped all support today, there'd at least not be charges of favoritism.  Everyone would be getting screwed equally.

[Iakus]

Someone once made the claim that if Inquisition was next gen only, people would have complained, simply because this is the BSN and complaining happens over everything.

 

I'm reasonably sure that if Inquisition was released for all platforms but with no DLC for anyone, yes people would complain.

How many people are complaining that Mass Effect Andromeda is going to be nextgen only?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Sure they'd be complaining. Because there's still bugs in the game. The banter issue, missing amulets, etc.

But they're dropping the cycle for some players but not for others. That's being seen as an especially di...poor move.

If they dropped all support today, there'd at least not be charges of favoritism. Everyone would be getting screwed equally.

Then that's what peoole should be complaining about - tht at the game isn't fixed.

But the unequal treatment can't be relevant.